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[jeepster09]

https://youtu.be/a6GOMD8P7_0?si=glRidiEMCEyUd7sD :amflag:

[berettabone]

What about the Hillary Hole????????? We were getting close to the Kamala Key. It fit in the Hillary Holes. You would have had to keep your gun locked at all times. If you needed it for some unknown reason, you could just unlock it...................

[Bawanna]

My only fear on trhis deal is if they make the requirements the same as whatever the strictest state has. Here we don't have to take a class or a test etc. Get past a background check and your good to go.
With my range master complex, I'd not want to have to take a class.
Course it doesn't matter, when they outlaw guns gun owners will become outlaws, at least I will, am, was......

[JohnR]

Reciprocity is a nice start. Not sure how a Federal law will achieve that, but I can’t wait to find out.

[dao]

Hopefully if it comes about, we will all be grandfathered into whatever requirements are required at the time.

[mr surveyor]

I can wait .... I don't plan to go out of state (i don't even like to get out of the county any more ... except to the range, 7 miles from the county line)

For what it's worth, I do NOT trust National Reciprocity to improve anything for me.


jd

[berettabone]

I'm not too sure how this will all pan out but coming from someone who took a 9 hr. class with a qualifying shoot, (just a class requirement at the time) I don't think a class is such a bad idea. I may be in the minority here, but after what I experienced with people not knowing how to properly lubricate their firearm, people shooting their firearm for the first time, muzzling others, not being able to hit center mass on an FBI target from 5 yds. away, not being able to do the simplest breakdown of their firearm, etc., basically not being very knowledgeable about firearms in general. So many people could benefit from a class and keep the rest of us safer. It's hard for me to fathom how there are so many people out there who carry a firearm that have never even shot it. Don't even know how it works, whether it works and even carry their firearm around in their pocket without a holster. It may have been an inconvenience at the time, and I knew most of what was in the class, but it opened my eyes to the fact that many of these people really don't have a clue.........................

[jeepster09]

Sadly however....YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID.

[berettabone]

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[Bawanna]

I'm not too sure how this will all pan out but coming from someone who took a 9 hr. class with a qualifying shoot, (just a class requirement at the time) I don't think a class is such a bad idea. I may be in the minority here, but after what I experienced with people not knowing how to properly lubricate their firearm, people shooting their firearm for the first time, muzzling others, not being able to hit center mass on an FBI target from 5 yds. away, not being able to do the simplest breakdown of their firearm, etc., basically not being very knowledgeable about firearms in general. So many people could benefit from a class and keep the rest of us safer. It's hard for me to fathom how there are so many people out there who carry a firearm that have never even shot it. Don't even know how it works, whether it works and even carry their firearm around in their pocket without a holster. It may have been an inconvenience at the time, and I knew most of what was in the class, but it opened my eyes to the fact that many of these people really don't have a clue.........................

Your right of course, I'm sure there are many that fit the category you describe. Would be difficult to determine who needs it and who doesn't. I'd love to teach a basic beginner class and trust I could keep my head from swelling and getting a holier than thou attitude. But being deaf, it just doesn't work.
I went to a range with my son one time, it was short lived but was nice. Since it was my first time there, they insisted I watch about a 20-minute firearm safety video. My son explained that I was about 18 year police firearms unit at the time but they still insisted. The video was better than an instructor, I guess. My son said he couldn't believe I actually watched the video and didn't just leave. Didn't bother me all that much, I got to shoot and guess the rules apply to everyone. Which emphasizes the fact that I'm no better than anybody else.

[berettabone]

Your right of course, I'm sure there are many that fit the category you describe. Would be difficult to determine who needs it and who doesn't. I'd love to teach a basic beginner class and trust I could keep my head from swelling and getting a holier than thou attitude. But being deaf, it just doesn't work.
I went to a range with my son one time, it was short lived but was nice. Since it was my first time there, they insisted I watch about a 20-minute firearm safety video. My son explained that I was about 18 year police firearms unit at the time but they still insisted. The video was better than an instructor, I guess. My son said he couldn't believe I actually watched the video and didn't just leave. Didn't bother me all that much, I got to shoot and guess the rules apply to everyone. Which emphasizes the fact that I'm no better than anybody else.
It wasn't too difficult to see who needed help my particular class day.............One person to my left had a malfunction immediately and immediately muzzled me trying to clear the misfeed. Before I could even say anything, the instructor had already gone over the top of them and had taken the firearm out of their hand. As a group, we had all agreed beforehand per the instructor that all muzzles will never wander more than 45 degrees from the target. If guilty, you go home, no refund. The instructors were all business. Guess who had to go home. I felt kind of bad about it, but not too bad. Saw someone with a .38 revolver never even touch the FBI target with their shots. All dirt far below the stand even. I could have thrown a rock and hit the target stand. Didn't see it but heard that someone had grabbed the wrong ammo and were trying to stuff a caliber into their revolver that didn't belong there. There were 28 people in the class. 23 men and 5 women. I heard that one other person was muzzling but for some reason, they didn't get sent packing. Must not have been as egregious......The class at the time was $100, which was expensive, but it was a very good class. Most classes just talk about the legal ramifications and laws and don't really get into the maintenance, shooting, sighting, firearm types and functions, etc. You would think that you would want to come prepared, knowing that there was a qualifying shoot. Clean functioning firearm, clean shorts, and at least being able to hit SOMETHING just to save yourself the embarrassment. https://www.kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon10.png

[Bawanna]

I meant difficult to see who needed it, prior to a class. Heck there are probably some cops that could stand a refresher.
A basic class strictly on maintenance, operation, etc, with some live fire would be great for most. The legal stuff is a can of worms. A person can do everything right and still be headed for the big house with small rooms.

[getsome]

I’m all for classes for new shooters, I had a guy in the next lane ask me why he couldn’t load the magazine of his rental Glock .45 pistol so it would go into the gun……...I looked at the magazine and he was trying to load it with the bullets facing backwards……I showed him how to properly load the magazine then immediatly loaded up and left because I wasn’t real sure he knew which end of the barrel that the bullets came out of……..Range officers have a hard job and I’ve run across a couple that were over the top but they are very much needed at a public range where some chuckle head with no experience can rent any firearm and show off to his girlfriend what a bad a$$ he is

[Bawanna]

I've won over a few girlfriends that guys were trying to impress. I always bring at least one 22. Usually, the showoff only has something big and the girl don't wanna play, expected just to watch, I guess. I invite them over and share my 22 and usually move up to something slightly larger. My son hates me helping others, but I like doin it especially for the showoffs girlfriends.

[Armybrat]

I've won over a few girlfriends that guys were trying to impress. I always bring at least one 22. Usually, the showoff only has something big and the girl don't wanna play, expected just to watch, I guess. I invite them over and share my 22 and usually move up to something slightly larger. My son hates me helping others, but I like doin it especially for the showoffs girlfriends.

Six years ago a lady friend from England was visiting and asked to go to our local range.
She had already shot a 9mm semiautomatic with another friend in Nevada, so I took my Ruger New Vaquero and Bearcat to try out.
Ran some .38 Specials thru the NV, but she instinctively prefered the little .22 Bearcat.

[berettabone]

I meant difficult to see who needed it, prior to a class. Heck there are probably some cops that could stand a refresher.
A basic class strictly on maintenance, operation, etc, with some live fire would be great for most. The legal stuff is a can of worms. A person can do everything right and still be headed for the big house with small rooms. Tell me if you think this sounds difficult.....................the qualifying part of the class consisted of an FBI target at 5, 7, and 10 yds. 10 shots at each distance. Pistol down on the bench, slide open or cylinder open. Load your mag or cylinder with 5 rounds. Shoot. Reload with 5 more and shoot. Center mass was your target which was about 4 inches above or below the sternum, left or right to where the ribs start. You had a time limit of 1 minute at each distance. 5 points for every good shot. Shots outside center mass went down in point value according to your distance away from target area. Flyers were nada. 150 was a perfect score. You had to score at least 120 to pass..........I did notice one thing and I don't know whether it means anything or not, but all 5 women in the class were shooting .38 revolvers and I saw a lot of flyers........I really wanted my CCL so I played it safe and took a Beretta 84FS. That gun was super accurate from 15 yds. and under. The hardest part for me was loading the mag quickly. Those mag springs were a killer. Probably be a lot slower now for sure. I actually think I could have been quicker with a revolver.

[Bawanna]

I don't think the qualification would be difficult at all. It has to be easy, or nobody would pass. My issue is my instructor, range master complex. Swelled heads, giant ego's and breathing down your neck to prove their superiority.

[jeepster09]

The trouble with all these classes is that there is no consistency in how they are done. One class requires you hit targets and another only cares on how gun is held.
I agree something is better than nothing EXCEPT....someone with no common sense can get permit because they hit target and someone that has a brain may fail.
I have been through both types of classes getting permit renewed.

[Bawanna]

Six years ago a lady friend from England was visiting and asked to go to our local range.
She had already shot a 9mm semiautomatic with another friend in Nevada, so I took my Ruger New Vaquero and Bearcat to try out.
Ran some .38 Specials thru the NV, but she instinctively prefered the little .22 Bearcat.

My aunt has a Bearcat, I've coveted for years. Been trying to find another as she likes it so much she won't part with it. She's getting up there so maybe someday she'll give it up, course I'm getting up there too so maybe it won't make no difference.

[Armybrat]

Said English lady friend was familiar with firearms, as her late husband was a shotgunner clays shooter. Their son inherited his 3 shotguns, but had to jump through a bunch of their government hoops to keep them.
That’s her son taking a ride in an antique biplane.