View Full Version : Confession (and seeking a K40)
rx7sig
11-14-2024, 03:31 PM
Every time I shoot my K9, I wonder if I shouldn't have purchased a K40, instead, and, in fact, have been on the lookout for a K40 for a while now.
I made the deliberate decision a few years ago to purchase my K9 over a K40 after carefully considering the pros and cons of one over the other. And I'm thoroughly happy with my K9. It fits my hand, has performed flawlessly for me, is accurate, and is comfortable to CC. I shoot it often!
The K9 is so comfortable to shoot in fact, even with my carry ammo (either 124 gr. 9x19 +P Speer GD LE #53617 or 124 gr. 9x19 +P Federal HST LE), that I'm imagining that the K40 must shoot as comfortably (or nearly as comfortably).
I've decided that I can live with the K40's one fewer round. So, if anyone here hears of a BNIB K40 going for a reasonable price, please let me know. Neither Buds nor Osage County Guns has had a K40 for a number of months. I prefer black DLC.
TIA,
rx7sig
Bawanna
11-15-2024, 12:45 AM
I have a K40, it was all black but had peening issues and had a new stainless slide put on. It's magna ported.
It has a lot more stuff on the sending end than the 9. I carried it for years, but just didn't like the muzzle flip. I like 40 in larger guns, I don't have any now but did have in the past.
I actually prefer my PM45 over the K40.
Mine don't meet your specs, so I'll keep my eyes peeled for ya.
rx7sig
11-15-2024, 03:28 PM
I have a K40, it was all black but had peening issues and had a new stainless slide put on. It's magna ported.
It has a lot more stuff on the sending end than the 9. I carried it for years, but just didn't like the muzzle flip. I like 40 in larger guns, I don't have any now but did have in the past.
I actually prefer my PM45 over the K40.
Mine don't meet your specs, so I'll keep my eyes peeled for ya.
Colonel, I've wondered if I will experience buyer's remorse if I do purchase a K40 only to discover that I don't like shooting it. My Sig M11-A1 has a 357SIG P229 slide on it, and it shoots both 357SIG and .40S&W equally comfortably. Maybe its the ~34 oz empty weight that makes it (the Sig) shoot so comfortably. I'm hoping that the ~26 (?) oz empty weight of a K40 will be enough.
rx7sig
Bawanna
11-15-2024, 03:41 PM
Wish you were close; I'd let you take mine for a dance and know ahead of time. Many love them in 40. I did at first also, but I wouldn't do it again. I'd like to try a T40 but I'm sure they are like chicken lips to find.
My T9 is nice, again, hard to tell.
Old No7
11-16-2024, 06:07 AM
I've wondered if I will experience buyer's remorse if I do purchase a K40 only to discover that I don't like shooting it.
Having had a .40 cal Kahr Covert at one time -- I'd bet you will. Soon after, I changed to a P9 Covert 9mm and like it much better.
The .40 cal in a Kahr is, in one word -- SNAPPY!
Years ago, there were images posted on this forum of the recoil of Kahrs shown against a clock face added to the image of the shooter firing. The 380 jumped less than the 9mm as you'd expect, but the .40 recoiled 2X the 9mm if I recall. And that snappy recoil affects the recovery time and accuracy of succeeding shots, so if you're happy with "one shot" -- get the .40. But if you plan to take 2 or 3 -- then the K9 9mm is a much better choice.
You can also shoot the 9mm more for less $$$, which is something else to consider. And with the advancements made in 9mm bullet technology over the last 10 years, I personally see no valid reasons to go up to a 40 cal Kahr.
It's like that age-old question of what gun to use for deer hunting: Say a .250 Savage (mild, but effective) versus a 7mm Rem Mag (not mild! but also effective) -- "How dead do you want that deer?"
Old No7
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berettabone
11-16-2024, 07:45 AM
The .40 cal., being my favorite caliber, will buck a bit more than the 9mm. Nice and smooth in my HK, but not so much in other firearms. I always enjoy the challenge and bigger holes myself. As far as the accuracy, someone once said, "Start at the beltline and let the pistol rise up". :)
texjack
11-17-2024, 02:49 PM
My K40 wears a Hogue Hand-all grip and is very comfortable to shoot, though it is snappy and loud. It carrys like a compact, shoots like a full size pistol. I think it is the best Kahr model ever! If you get one, you wont be disappointed. There is no better carry piece made, at any price, IMHO.
rx7sig
11-17-2024, 03:02 PM
Having had a .40 cal Kahr Covert at one time -- I'd bet you will. Soon after, I changed to a P9 Covert 9mm and like it much better.
The .40 cal in a Kahr is, in one word -- SNAPPY!
Years ago, there were images posted on this forum of the recoil of Kahrs shown against a clock face added to the image of the shooter firing. The 380 jumped less than the 9mm as you'd expect, but the .40 recoiled 2X the 9mm if I recall. And that snappy recoil affects the recovery time and accuracy of succeeding shots, so if you're happy with "one shot" -- get the .40. But if you plan to take 2 or 3 -- then the K9 9mm is a much better choice.
You can also shoot the 9mm more for less $$$, which is something else to consider. And with the advancements made in 9mm bullet technology over the last 10 years, I personally see no valid reasons to go up to a 40 cal Kahr.
It's like that age-old question of what gun to use for deer hunting: Say a .250 Savage (mild, but effective) versus a 7mm Rem Mag (not mild! but also effective) -- "How dead do you want that deer?"
Old No7
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@Old No7,
I had to google "Kahr Covert". Evidently, there were two variations: The early (?) variation has the shorter, MK/PM40-height grip with a K/P40-length muzzle (better for waist carry), and the second, more recent variation has the K/P40-height grip (three-finger grip) with the shorter, MK/PM40-length muzzle (better for AIWB carry). I can certainly imagine the shorter grip leading to more "flip", and the polymer lower leading to more "flip". Having both a shorter grip and a polymer lower is probably a recipe for a serious amount of flip!
I wonder, though, if an all-SS K40 would suffer the same issue. I suspect not to the same degree, at any rate. I likely would carry 165 gr. .40 S&W Speer GD LE in my K40 if I could find one to purchase (for its long successful history as SD/HD/LEO ammo, and because it is bonded ammo)--if it shoots well in the K40, that is--which is the same ammo I settled on for my M11-A1 when it is dressed as .40 S&W.
rx7sig
Old No7
11-17-2024, 06:58 PM
Go for it! Hope you get what you want and enjoy it.
And yes, my older "Covert" had the longer barrel and a shortened grip (both the .40 and then the 9mm).
A K40 would likely "flip less" than the SS/poly grip Covert that I had.
Old No7
Docnroll
11-27-2024, 12:28 PM
I just bought a K40, my first Kahr
K40 Elite 03, $361 +transfer and tax
havent shot it yet
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1076366616
Seems like a decent deal
Old No7
11-27-2024, 08:53 PM
Wow -- lowest price I've ever seen on a "K" series.
Good luck with it.
Old No7
rx7sig
11-27-2024, 10:23 PM
I just bought a K40, my first Kahr ...
BIG Congrats! I hope you'll post again as soon as you've had the chance to take your K40 for a spin. If you can shoot some Speer GD, both 165 gr. and 180 gr., and write back your impressions, I would be very interested in reading them.
rx7sig
Docnroll
11-28-2024, 07:45 AM
Will do. Thanks man💪
187911
12-02-2024, 12:42 PM
Every time I shoot my K9, I wonder if I shouldn't have purchased a K40, instead, and, in fact, have been on the lookout for a K40 for a while now.
I made the deliberate decision a few years ago to purchase my K9 over a K40 after carefully considering the pros and cons of one over the other. And I'm thoroughly happy with my K9. It fits my hand, has performed flawlessly for me, is accurate, and is comfortable to CC. I shoot it often!
The K9 is so comfortable to shoot in fact, even with my carry ammo (either 124 gr. 9x19 +P Speer GD LE #53617 or 124 gr. 9x19 +P Federal HST LE), that I'm imagining that the K40 must shoot as comfortably (or nearly as comfortably).
I've decided that I can live with the K40's one fewer round. So, if anyone here hears of a BNIB K40 going for a reasonable price, please let me know. Neither Buds nor Osage County Guns has had a K40 for a number of months. I prefer black DLC.
TIA,
rx7sig
https://i.imgur.com/Mz5Bqc8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9UUJTaK.jpg
I own a couple of K40's and a K9. My primary EDC is my K40 and a S&W 686+. The K40 is actually smaller in dimensions than the K9. It carries and conceals well. I am able to carry it IWB and even OWB (preferred) with just an untucked short without printing much if at all....
People (not referring to anyone in this thread) see the number "40" with regards to a handgun, and the canned response and assumption is to claim it's to snappy, uncontrollably, and uncomfortable to shoot. I vehemently disagree that that's the case when it comes to the Kahr K40. In fact, at 26oz in a compact package, I'd say it's softer shooting than shooting 9mm out of the 15.9oz PM9. It's more softer shooting than shooting 38 +p out of the popular S&W aluminum (14.6oz) or scandium alloy (11.8oz) J-frames in my experience depending on ammo choice.
187911
12-02-2024, 12:58 PM
Many say they prefer bigger and heavier guns for 40s&w over the smaller carry size handguns because it minimizes recoil. The fact is that the K40 weighs more than the subcompact Glock 27, compact Glock 23, and duty size Glock 22 while still being small, concealable, and heavy enough to soak up recoil.
Last, all .40 is not equal. That is, some loads are hotter than others. That why I take people's assertion that a .40 is "snappy" or had a lot of recoil with a grain of salt. All I hear is that the specific combination of handgun/ammo choice was snappy, and NOT everything handgun that fires .40.... If, for example, they shoot heavy for caliber 147gr 9mm, which will be slow with low recoil, and then compares that to shooting hot 155gr or 165gr 40s&w, then of course the .40 will have much more recoil!
To better make my point, if we use LuckyGunnner's ('https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-test/') ballistic numbers and compare the extremely popular:
Federal 124gr HST in 9mm [Velocity: 1135; Muzzle Energy: 355]
To
Federal 180gr HST in 40s&w [Velocity: 946; Muzzle Energy: [B]358]
Just for fun, people love 45acp over 40s&w, but ammo choice makes all the difference here as well. Just because something is chambered in 45acp doesn't mean it will be less snappy than 40s&w like most assume and assert.
Speer 185gr Gold Dot in 45acp [Velocity: 945; Muzzle Energy: [B]374]
The 180gr HST is subsonic, has less velocity, and similar muzzle energy, while still sending a bigger bullet down range with more sectional density! I can tell you from experience, that 180gr 40s&w out of the K40 will out perform 9mm, while being equally or less snappy than many of the smaller and lighter weight 9mm handgun/ammo combinations that oddly enough, no one complains about like they complain when .40s&w is mentioned.
https://i.imgur.com/gjXSWE6.jpeg
Bawanna
12-02-2024, 04:25 PM
Not to start a fisticuff or nothing but I make grips and the K9 and K40 are the exact same. The Glock (I had a 27) I believe soaks up some of the recoil in the tupperware. It was not unpleasant to shoot at all and I liked it other than being to fat for my taste. I don't find the K40 too brutal to shoot a lot but the muzzle flip is real and definitely slows down any follow up shot's at least for me. Only tupperware Kahr I have is a PM45, so I don't have a clue for comparison between the PM9 and the K40.
I had my K40 magna ported, and it helped slightly but could use more. Don't matter, I'm a 45 half man anyhow.
berettabone
12-02-2024, 06:09 PM
Many say they prefer bigger and heavier guns for 40s&w over the smaller carry size handguns because it minimizes recoil. The fact is that the K40 weighs more than the subcompact Glock 27, compact Glock 23, and duty size Glock 22 while still being small, concealable, and heavy enough to soak up recoil.
Last, all .40 is not equal. That is, some loads are hotter than others. That why I take people's assertion that a .40 is "snappy" or had a lot of recoil with a grain of salt. All I hear is that the specific combination of handgun/ammo choice was snappy, and NOT everything handgun that fires .40.... If, for example, they shoot heavy for caliber 147gr 9mm, which will be slow with low recoil, and then compares that to shooting hot 155gr or 165gr 40s&w, then of course the .40 will have much more recoil!
To better make my point, if we use LuckyGunnner's (https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-test/) ballistic numbers and compare the extremely popular:
Federal 124gr HST in 9mm [Velocity: 1135; Muzzle Energy: 355]
To
Federal 180gr HST in 40s&w [Velocity: 946; Muzzle Energy: [B]358]
Just for fun, people love 45acp over 40s&w, but ammo choice makes all the difference here as well. Just because something is chambered in 45acp doesn't mean it will be less snappy than 40s&w like most assume and assert.
Speer 185gr Gold Dot in 45acp [Velocity: 945; Muzzle Energy: [B]374]
The 180gr HST is subsonic, has less velocity, and similar muzzle energy, while still sending a bigger bullet down range with more sectional density! I can tell you from experience, that 180gr 40s&w out of the K40 will out perform 9mm, while being equally or less snappy than many of the smaller and lighter weight 9mm handgun/ammo combinations that oddly enough, no one complains about like they complain when .40s&w is mentioned.
https://i.imgur.com/gjXSWE6.jpeg Now you went and done it........you gave up the secrets. Better for us .40 lovers, more available ammo. :p
187911
12-03-2024, 02:04 AM
Not to start a fisticuff or nothing but I make grips and the K9 and K40 are the exact same. The Glock (I had a 27) I believe soaks up some of the recoil in the tupperware. It was not unpleasant to shoot at all and I liked it other than being to fat for my taste. I don't find the K40 too brutal to shoot a lot but the muzzle flip is real and definitely slows down any follow up shot's at least for me. Only tupperware Kahr I have is a PM45, so I don't have a clue for comparison between the PM9 and the K40.
I had my K40 magna ported, and it helped slightly but could use more. Don't matter, I'm a 45 half man anyhow.
That's a first I've ever heard anyone make that claim or have that experience, but I'm not doubting your person experience. I wonder if you fired the same ammo make/model/weight out of both the G27 and K40? The general consensus among the firearm community and the consensus and preference of most competitive shooters is to go with heavier steel frame pistols because follow up shots and recoil is better with heavier steel frame vs lighter polymer. That has always been my personal experiences as well with regards to the K40 and other steel frame guns in various calibers.
Have you ever fired the 21.71 oz Glock 26 vs the 25 oz Kahr K9 and found that the K9 had more felt recoil and muzzle flip as well?
There is more to recoil than just weight. Where the weight lies in the gun (ie shorter or longer barrel and frame). Grip angle, length, and circumference also play into it, and so does the recoil system of each gun. And then of course there is the bore axis. All of these things come together to create the impulse and overall recoil characteristic that each gun presents
berettabone
12-03-2024, 12:57 PM
Plus, the fact that everyone perceives recoil differently. IMHO, to me, the recoil shooting .40 cal out of my HK compact feels about the same as shooting defensive ammo out of an MK9. Any excessive felt recoil or flip is negated by the fact that I use .40 cal for defensive purposes only. I'm not trying to shoot a bullseye at 50 yds. I like bigger bullets and like someone mentioned, start from the belt line and just let the gun rise. I do like the challenge of target shooting with the caliber also.
Bawanna
12-03-2024, 01:15 PM
I have no issue with 40 caliber accuracy. My K40 is very accurate. To answer a previous question from 187911, I did use the same ammo in both the G27 and the K9. Dept issue. It's possible some different ammo could reduce the flip some but saw no need to pursue that. I'm basically a 45 guy. (to each their very own). I would not hesitate to put the K40 on my belt if the need arose, but not my first choice.
We carried Beretta 40's for a few years, and they were great. Again, a totally different animal but comfy and accurate.
rx7sig
12-04-2024, 10:18 PM
... I own a couple of K40's ...
Thanks for your firsthand impressions/experience, @187911.
rx7sig
rx7sig
12-10-2024, 01:27 PM
I just picked up my NOS (German-made, triple serial numbers) .40 S&W Sig Sauer P239 from my FFL. I hope to shoot it this coming weekend. Maybe this P239 will satisfy my lust for a K40.
But maybe not--since my plan is to procure a 357SIG barrel for my P239 and have it live "forever" in this most excellent SD caliber!
rx7sig
berettabone
12-11-2024, 11:23 AM
I suspect you'll like it. It is almost 4 oz. heavier than a K40, so the weight helps with recoil. Almost pulled the trigger a couple of times on a SAS model, but they're a tad heavy for me now. Always been a nice gun...................
rx7sig
12-11-2024, 01:31 PM
I suspect you'll like it. It is almost 4 oz. heavier than a K40, so the weight helps with recoil. Almost pulled the trigger a couple of times on a SAS model, but they're a tad heavy for me now. Always been a nice gun...................
@berettabone,
I field-stripped, cleaned, and lubed my new P239/40 last night. I first handled a P239/9 in early 2017 when I was contemplating the purchase of my first firearm (ever!). I distinctly recall the impression of how unbalanced it feels: It seemed too top-heavy, and it seemed to want to tip forward as I gripped it. Handling my 239/40 yesterday brought back this impression in spades! By comparison, my K9 seems soooo balanced, so comfortable to grip. (I have never handled a K40.)
Ironically, the weight of my fully-loaded P239/40 (vis-a-vis the weight of my fully-loaded K9) is less of a concern to me. To me, a pistol ought to be heavy enough to comfortably handle the caliber of the ammo it's chambered for. The weight of my K9 means shooting 124 gr 9x19 +P Speer GD LE through it is extremely comfortable. I am hoping that the (heavier) weight of my P239/40 will mean, initially, that shooting 165/180 gr .40 S&W Speer GD LE through it will be comfortable enough, and that, ultimately, shooting full-power 125 gr 357SIG through it will be comfortable enough, too.
Hopefully, I'll get to test the 165/180 gr .40 S&W GD LE this Sunday!
rx7sig
Bawanna
12-11-2024, 05:35 PM
If you handled the K9, it's exactly the same empty, and probably hard to tell the difference fully loaded.
Sgt 127
12-24-2024, 01:51 PM
I had a K40. My department issued Glock 35’s so, I wanted a (much) smaller off duty gun that shot .40 as the ammo, within reason, was free.
I didn’t like it. I’ve owned K9’s. A T9. A PM9 and, still own a K9. I loved all of them. But, the K40 wasn’t reliable for me. The recoil was harsher, but manageable.
I went with an Sig P239 DAK in .40. And a 357 SIG barrel and magazines. Best of both worlds. I’d practice with Dept .40. And carried it in 357 Sig.
the K40 is a great gun, as all Kahrs. Just didn’t do it for me.
rx7sig
12-24-2024, 02:38 PM
I had a K40. My department ...
the K40 is a great gun, as all Kahrs. Just didn’t do it for me.
When, a few years ago, I was deciding between a K9 and K40 as my very first Kahr pistol, I ultimately decided on the K9 (because this, Kahr's first pistol, was designed around the 9mm Luger and enjoyed an enviable reputation for its quality build and reliability; the K40, on the other hand, seemed to me to be a modification of the K9 to shoot .40 S&W and, besides, held one fewer round). As mentioned, I continue to be very pleased with my K9, an experience that has me wanting to try the K40, wondering if it will have the same magic. For me, the K9/40 has the perfect size (all-SS and 6" x 4.5") for CC while affording both a 3.5" barrel and a full, three-finger grip!
I shot 180 gr. Speer GDLE Duty from my new P239/40 Sunday before last, and 165 gr. Speer GDLE Duty this past Sunday. The P239 shot this ammo very comfortably, comparing favorably with my X-Changed M11-A1. Pistol(s) and mags are loaded up now with 180 gr. Federal LE HST, which I hope to shoot within the next couple of days, if the weather remains agreeable.
And I'm on the hunt for a 357SIG OEM barrel. (Like finding hen's teeth?)
rx7sig
187911
01-03-2025, 12:52 AM
When, a few years ago, I was deciding between a K9 and K40 as my very first Kahr pistol, I ultimately decided on the K9 (because this, Kahr's first pistol, was designed around the 9mm Luger and enjoyed an enviable reputation for its quality build and reliability; the K40, on the other hand, seemed to me to be a modification of the K9 to shoot .40 S&W and, besides, held one fewer round). As mentioned, I continue to be very pleased with my K9, an experience that has me wanting to try the K40, wondering if it will have the same magic. For me, the K9/40 has the perfect size (all-SS and 6" x 4.5") for CC while affording both a 3.5" barrel and a full, three-finger grip!
I shot 180 gr. Speer GDLE Duty from my new P239/40 Sunday before last, and 165 gr. Speer GDLE Duty this past Sunday. The P239 shot this ammo very comfortably, comparing favorably with my X-Changed M11-A1. Pistol(s) and mags are loaded up now with 180 gr. Federal LE HST, which I hope to shoot within the next couple of days, if the weather remains agreeable.
And I'm on the hunt for a 357SIG OEM barrel. (Like finding hen's teeth?)
rx7sig
Aren't all pistols, revolvers, and rifles platforms modified to fire different calibers? An AR15 and AR10 are modified via barrel, bolt, and magazines to fire different calibers. A S&W J-frame is modified to fire .22 LR, .22 Mag, .32 HR, .38 Special, .357 Mag, and 9mm. Glocks started with the G17, but every generation has slides, barrels, mags, etc. that are modified to be able to shoot various calibers. This concept applies to almost every platform and manufacturer. Kahr didn't take the K9 or their other 9mm firearms and then just shave metal away from the slide and frame so that it could accommodate a .40 barrel and magazine. The K40 is actually smaller in height and length than the K9, but has a longer barrel, is slightly wider (by 0.04") and an ounce heavier. Kahr designed the K40 to be a 40s&w, and didn't just convert the 9mm into a .40.
I have the Sig P239 too in .40 and I have a .357 Sig barrel. IMHO, it's too big of a gun for it to only carry one more round and be only one ounce heavier. Mine is one of the most accurate pistols I own those, and I prefer DA/SA over SAO type triggers.
rx7sig
01-03-2025, 12:33 PM
... I have the Sig P239 too in .40 and I have a .357 Sig barrel. IMHO, it's too big of a gun for it to only carry one more round and be only one ounce heavier. Mine is one of the most accurate pistols I own those, and I prefer DA/SA over SAO type triggers.
I ordered a "semi-fit" SIG357 barrel for my P239/.40 yesterday from Bar-Sto. I made the decision to go with a new aftermarket barrel (since my pistol is NOS), rather than continue searching for a used OEM barrel. I'll send my pistol to Bar-Sto (to fit the barrel) when they alert me that the barrel is ready and forward to me a shipping label. Hopefully, the wait won't be too long!
BTW, my P239 shot 180 gr. .40 S&W Federal HST LE very comfortably this past Sunday.
rx7sig
Scott321
01-05-2025, 10:27 PM
I thought about the K40. Ended up getting a T40. It shoots fine, but kicks more than my S&W M2.0 and is about the same weight empty... pretty similar in size too. However, the CW40 I have is not accurate and has hiccups when returning to battery. This is after I sent it in to Kahr to fix... at least their CS department stopped it from choking every round. It seems like the accuracy went up a little after the fix, but it is still pretty bad. No issues with the T40 though. Still experimenting with it... just not much time/$$$ righth now.
rx7sig
01-06-2025, 04:38 PM
... Ended up getting a T40. It shoots fine, but kicks more than my S&W M2.0 and is about the same weight empty... pretty similar in size too. ...
Interesting. Just googled the metal S&W M2.0. Surprised that both the T40 and the S&W M2.0, given their mass, don't both shoot .40 S&W JHP's quite comfortably.
Redfish
02-25-2025, 10:37 PM
Late to the dance as usual. Haven't posted in a long time but happened on this thread and could not pass. I came late in life to shooting handguns. I thank Obama for getting me interested in 08 or 09. First gun was Beretta PX4 in 40. Not the most accurate but very soft shooter even one handed on weak side. Second was Kahr PM40. It gave me a lot of grief (well documented on this forum) until you guys helped me fix it. But I liked it from the first time I shot it and it still goes with me every time I leave my house. It does recoil but it's straight back into my hand. Negligible muzzle flip. Amazing for such a small, light weight gun. I thought, based on this, that I would like a bigger version. Got a TP40 really cheap. Hate it. My thinking was bigger gun, more to hold on to, better control. Nope. I'm sure it's all about my technique but bottom line is I shoot one well enough but not the other. By comparison-Wife's J-frame. I find it painful and hard to control even with light loads. I have 9's. Most notably CZ 85 and HK VP9. I like them both a lot and others to a lesser extent. I really don't find 9 and 40 to be that different in terms of recoil. In regard to ammo, I find a lot of difference in what I shoot in the PM40. If you're concerned at all about recoil in a 40 cal Kahr, try Sig 180gr in either hollow point or, if you can find it, fmj. It's sweet. I can shoot 100 rounds of something like white box Winchester, bulk Remington or Federal and others and enjoy shooting. But 40 cal Sig is the most pleasant and the most accurate of anything I've found. Although not enough to make me like the TP. On the other hand, I bought 2 boxes of Blazer during one of the ammo droughts. It was so bad I could only shoot it in the Beretta and even it didn't much like it. I don't have as much to say for the 9's. I don't buy cheap ammo but will shoot most anything decent. So that's me. As for the K40 vs the K9, I think I'd like a K either. Or both.
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