New Kahr MR 1911s

[500KV]

Anyone else get the email from Kahr announcing these new MR 1911's?

www.GalleryOfGuns.com - Gun Genie - Davidson's most popular and powerful search engine to find and buy guns at galleryofguns.com (http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=DE1911G&mfg=Magnum+Research&mdl=All&cat=All&type=Semi-Automatic+Pistol&cal=45AP&fin=Blue&sit=Fixed&zipcode=03598)

Man this Commander size (image #1) looks sweet.
Said the commander size would be available late November. It is late Nov. now isn't it?
Not cheap but I find it hard to pass on a good looking 1911.
Bawanna...You listening???

Anyone have input on the full size model?
Gotta hide this now..Hear the better half coming. ;)

[jlottmc]

The things have a super smooth trigger out of the box. Only thing I don't like and this is just my personal bits is the full length guide rod. Otherwise the ones I've handled are sweet.

[500KV]

The things have a super smooth trigger out of the box. Only thing I don't like and this is just my personal bits is the full length guide rod. Otherwise the ones I've handled are sweet.

That's what I was afraid of hearing jlottmc.

Trying to convince -self- that I don't need another 1911 but I see that commander size just following me around.
Now, how do I get it past the warden??? :confused:

[Bawanna]

I just saw the notice from kahr yesterday and agree it's a fine looking gun and priced pretty nice. I'm not nuts about the looks of the writing on the side of it but that don't help operation much except for the looking cool factor which of course is always job #1 with me.
I havent seen one in person yet. We get all the new stuff a little behind everyone else, they may be out there and I just haven't connected either.
I'm anxious to hold one thats for sure.
I too am not nuts about the 1 piece guide rod if thats the case but I can live with that pretty easy too.
I'm sure available if they want to send one to me to test and report on it.

That should be a new thing for kahrtalk members, draw a name of an active member and send them new stuff to try out just like our very own gun writer. Hard part would be kahr getting their stuff back I reckon. Could also add a discount price if they want to trial to own.

Dang I think up some good stuff.

500KV, Santas coming, tell your wife Jocko and Jlott said it was ok.

[Roadblock]

HRM... It looks like a Kimber rip-off. Even the rear sight looks like it was stolen right off a Kimber.

Actually isn't that the gun Charles Daley promised us for years? I though I heard Magnum Research was the name it was coming out under after CD went under.

They were suppose to have a few models and coming out and I THOUGHT they were made over seas somewhere.

If I'm wrong, excuse me but hrm... I thought I heard the words Magnum Research after CD died like I said.

That said I would probably stick with Kimber or Springfield in the same price range or a Dan Wesson, Ed Brown Wilson etc if I wanted something a little better.

[Bawanna]

HRM?? HRM?? that isn't in my list of abbreviations.

Magnum Research = Kahr now.

I'd opt for the other mentioned also but since I eventually want them all I gotta have one of these too. Order doesn't matter, it can be first or middle or last but I want them all.

They ask me frequently going into the gun shows, what are you looking for, I always tell them everything, I want em all.

Please tell me what HRM means too, I'm ashamed as this probably really is a dumb question but I'm clueless.

[500KV]

I think these guns are made in Israel by BUL and were designed by Michael Kassnar of KBI, but his deal fell thru--and Magnum Research stepped in--now MR has been taken over by Kahr.
Have to agree about those roll marks Bawanna but still a good looking piece.

No the warden won't buy that Christmas time story again. I've worn that one out. Just gonna have to slip one in under the radar.

[Bawanna]

I think these guns are made in Israel by BUL and were designed by Michael Kassnar of KBI, but his deal fell thru--and Magnum Research stepped in--now MR has been taken over by Kahr.
Have to agree about those roll marks Bawanna but still a good looking piece.

No the warden won't buy that Christmas time story again. I've worn that one out. Just gonna have to slip one in under the radar.

Have you tried this one? Take an empty pistol rug with ya and make sure the missus sees ya. Don't open it for any reason or it's game over. If she inquires tell her your thinking about buying her some nice jewelry and were gonna sell this gun to help fund it.
Go buy the new gun, put it in the pistol rug, (sneak the box and paperwork in later under cover of darkness). She'll no doubt be waiting at the door when you return waiting for a report.
Tell her the guys just wouldn't be realistic on a price so you couldn't accept the deal. Now open the case and show her, she'll no doubt say that looks brand new, your reply with obvious emphasis is THIS OLD THING??? Had it for years. Now that you mention it though I am kind of partial to it and I don't think I really want to sell it.
I'll just use the credit card to buy the jewelry. Your just the best.
This has proven to work well for me 7 out of a 152 attempts. YMMV.

[jlottmc]

I have two words for you: Slush Fund. I like the empty case idea, but mine knows which ones I have, and like to play with them so that one is out for me. I got to get the shekels in order after Christmas. Then I'll be on a buying spree. I hate this bug.

[500KV]

Have you tried this one? Take an empty pistol rug with ya and make sure the missus sees ya. Don't open it for any reason or it's game over. If she inquires tell her your thinking about buying her some nice jewelry and were gonna sell this gun to help fund it.
Go buy the new gun, put it in the pistol rug, (sneak the box and paperwork in later under cover of darkness). She'll no doubt be waiting at the door when you return waiting for a report.
Tell her the guys just wouldn't be realistic on a price so you couldn't accept the deal. Now open the case and show her, she'll no doubt say that looks brand new, your reply with obvious emphasis is THIS OLD THING??? Had it for years. Now that you mention it though I am kind of partial to it and I don't think I really want to sell it.
I'll just use the credit card to buy the jewelry. Your just the best.
This has proven to work well for me 7 out of a 152 attempts. YMMV.

Hey, sounds like a good plan but I'd bungle that one for sure, too many moving parts.
I'll just buy it, stash it in my truck and bring it in in my range bag when I go shoot.
That'll let me get it downstairs, and once I do that I can loose it in the gun maze down there.

Hmmm... 7 out of 152 attempts??? and your bragging?:p

[O'Dell]

Have you tried this one? Take an empty pistol rug with ya and make sure the missus sees ya. Don't open it for any reason or it's game over. If she inquires tell her your thinking about buying her some nice jewelry and were gonna sell this gun to help fund it.
Go buy the new gun, put it in the pistol rug, (sneak the box and paperwork in later under cover of darkness). She'll no doubt be waiting at the door when you return waiting for a report.
Tell her the guys just wouldn't be realistic on a price so you couldn't accept the deal. Now open the case and show her, she'll no doubt say that looks brand new, your reply with obvious emphasis is THIS OLD THING??? Had it for years. Now that you mention it though I am kind of partial to it and I don't think I really want to sell it.
I'll just use the credit card to buy the jewelry. Your just the best.
This has proven to work well for me 7 out of a 152 attempts. YMMV.

You guys with wives crack me up. If you want something just go out and buy it for heavens sake. I never liked this "sneaking around" business. When I was married, if I wanted a new car or anything, I would buy it, and I didn't ask for permission. Are we talking wives or mothers here?

Anyway, getting back to the subject, I have my eye on a new Remington 1911 R1 that I can get for less than $650. It doesn't have a beaver tail, which I don't like anyway, and looks like the one they built in 1918. The reports I've read compare it to a Springfield, but for less money. Anyone know anything more about it? I only have one 1911, a SIG C3 officers size, and I don't know that much about them.

[jocko]

O'dell..Anyway, getting back to the subject, I have my eye on a new Remington 1911 R1 that I can get for less than $650

best run that by your wife first!!!!

[O'Dell]

O'dell..Anyway, getting back to the subject, I have my eye on a new Remington 1911 R1 that I can get for less than $650

best run that by your wife first!!!!

Haven't had one of those things in 24 years, and my cat has never complained about me buying something - at least as long as the food and water dishes are full and the litter box is clean.

Actually my Ex and I are pretty good friends, and go out to dinner or a concert occasionally. I just don't want to live in the same area code with her.

[jeep45238]

I think I'll go for this instead:

Rock Island 1911 9MM Tactical Handgun Part #AC-RI1911TACA 9MM (http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AC-RI1911TACA9MM.aspx)

Just replace the grips, and buy more mags.
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/productimages/handguns/AC-RI1911TACA-9MM_rt_B.jpg

P.S. $153 way from being out of debt :D

[Bawanna]

You guys with wives crack me up. If you want something just go out and buy it for heavens sake. I never liked this "sneaking around" business. When I was married, if I wanted a new car or anything, I would buy it, and I didn't ask for permission. Are we talking wives or mothers here?

Anyway, getting back to the subject, I have my eye on a new Remington 1911 R1 that I can get for less than $650. It doesn't have a beaver tail, which I don't like anyway, and looks like the one they built in 1918. The reports I've read compare it to a Springfield, but for less money. Anyone know anything more about it? I only have one 1911, a SIG C3 officers size, and I don't know that much about them.

Your plan fall under my save one argument sermon. If you ask, the wife says no, you argue about it. Then you say heck with it and buy it anyhow, now wife is ticked so you argue again. If you just buy it you save one argument. My difficulty is she keeps all the marbles, since I don't do much side work, can't play carpenter no more, the slush fund theory doesn't work to great. I do get to keep all gun things kept with gun things so I don't have to sell a gun to buy a washing machine yet!
I've been watching the Remington also. It's suppose to be very nice and slicked up inside. Mil Spec on the outside but a great shooter. Plus it's be nice to see Remington on the side again if not Remington Rand.

[O'Dell]

I think I'll go for this instead:

Rock Island 1911 9MM Tactical Handgun Part #AC-RI1911TACA 9MM (http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AC-RI1911TACA9MM.aspx)

Just replace the grips, and buy more mags.
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/productimages/handguns/AC-RI1911TACA-9MM_rt_B.jpg

P.S. $153 way from being out of debt :D

I've seen them, but if I ever got one it would be a nickel w/o the tail. I really prefer to buy American, so I've also checked on the STI and American Classic 1911's.

Besides, I never buy anything with the word 'tactical' in the name. :)

[jeep45238]

STI Spartans and American Classics are rebadged Rock Island's, which are rebadged Armscor :)

[O'Dell]

STI Spartans and American Classics are rebadged Rock Island's, which are rebadged Armscor :)

STI is known for their high priced custom guns. Only the Spartan uses Armscor slides and frames. However the internals are not from Armscor and the fit and finish, trigger, sights, and grips are upgraded from the RI line. They are assembled and fitted in the US. This is not to say that the RI's are bad, because most owners seem to be very pleased with them. The Spartans just have a rep of being better. Keep in mind that one of the best platforms on which to build a very high-line 1911 custom pistol is still the Norinco from China, which haven't been imported in years. I haven't personally tried one yet, but I will.

As for the American Classic, it's built by Metro Arms, not Armscor. Again, it's suppose to have a superior fit and finish, and internals to the RI's, but I haven't handled one yet. A gun store in Marietta carries them, so I'm going there on Tuesday to take a look. They also seem to be getting very good reviews on the 1911 specific forums.

Having said all that, I'm still leaning toward the Remington for the classic 'look'.

[johnh]

I really like the look of those Desert Eagle 1911s. That goes on my short list of new guns to buy. I am thinking the Government length one as I have a few Commanders for CCW use. My only Government length 1911s right now are setup for competition mainly. That Kahr/MRI one is just right in terms of features. Interesting sights too. Check out this closeup from J&G's web site. No dots. I hate dots. :D

http://www.jgsales.com/images/3%20Mag%20Research%20DE%201911%2045ACP%202-1704.jpg

[500KV]

I really like the look of those Desert Eagle 1911s. That goes on my short list of new guns to buy. I am thinking the Government length one as I have a few Commanders for CCW use. My only Government length 1911s right now are setup for competition mainly. That Kahr/MRI one is just right in terms of features. Interesting sights too. Check out this closeup from J&G's web site. No dots. I hate dots. :D


Totally agree about the sights John.
Most of my 1911s are Gov. or officer size and that Commander model just hit me where it hurts the most..pocketbook.:eek:
Should be out by now, -I think-. They say late Nov.

This is a good discussion about the guns from some guys on the 1911 forum.
They seem to like them.

I love my new Magnum Research "Desert Eagle" M1911! - 1911Forum (http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=278761)

[Bawanna]

Maybe we could all throw in and buy in bulk. Put me down for a full size too.
I couldnt see the picture of the sights but don't matter to me a bit. I not nuts about dots either cept a big one on the front.

[O'Dell]

I went into my LGS monday, and they had a Citadel sub compact for $409. It seem very well finished but extremely tight. I haven't shot it yet, but I did notice it has a problem ejecting loaded rounds. I didn't have any empty cases to try, but that should work because the nose of the round was hanging on the front of the port. It might make emptying the gun a problem though.

BTW, any one know how to remove the barrel from the slide on a 1911 w/o a bushing. I can get the recoil assy out, but the barrel obviously won't go forward, and won't clear the breech block at the rear. HELP!!

[Bawanna]

That seems strange. Mine just lifts up and out once you get the recoil assembly out. It have a full length guide rod with an allen screw on the front. Some you use the paper clip in the hole to hold the recoil spring back to take it apart but I don't see that effecting the barrel removal anyhow.

Got a picture of this new baby by chance?

[O'Dell]

That seems strange. Mine just lifts up and out once you get the recoil assembly out. It have a full length guide rod with an allen screw on the front. Some you use the paper clip in the hole to hold the recoil spring back to take it apart but I don't see that effecting the barrel removal anyhow.

Got a picture of this new baby by chance?

I know about the 'paperclip" but I can lift out the recoil assy just like all my other semi's. However the barrel won't lift enough to clear the breech, not even close. I cleaned the gunk out, but had to go through the muzzle end. This is only a 3.14 inch barrel.

No camera=no picture.

[Bawanna]

Perhaps it needs to be turned/rotated like the PM45. It won't lift straight out, you have to rotated it a bit to clear.

[Bawanna]

I discovered that theres a separate section in the back of the Citidel manual that tells about removing the bull barrel style.

In shaking the cobwebs out of my head that barrel should slide right out the front just like any other. Several asked questions about it though so apparently your not the only one.

The Legacy Sports site wasn't much help and I can't remember where I was when I read a guys step by step breakdown but he didn't even give it an extra note. Slide the barrel out the front just like the big brother, he spent way more time on the paper clip and drilling a hole if you don't already have one.

[O'Dell]

Perhaps it needs to be turned/rotated like the PM45. It won't lift straight out, you have to rotated it a bit to clear.

I tried it at all angles but no go. There has to be a way, because they got it in there in the first place, but I can't figure out how the heck they did it.

[Bawanna]

Man! theres a grease spot on the sidewalk where I hit after my bubble burst and I fell out of the sky!

Sometimes this happens. They look darn nice and the minute you pick one up you just know it ain't the one.
I did that when the HK USP's first came out. I thought I gotta have one but didn't want to order till I held one. Took awhile to lay hands on one and the minute I picked it up I just knew it wasn't me. Just too big and clunky for me. I shed a tear or two I don't mind admiting, I was so jazzed to get one and then have the rug pulled out from under me.

If it don't fly for you I suspect it won't fly for me neither but I'd like hold one anyhow just to say I held one.

Thanks for the report early before I got into a MR1911 buying frenzy.

[O'Dell]

:)I just looked at one this morning at a local gun shop. I was NOT impressed with it at all. The sights on it are CRAP. It just felt like a cheap gun.
I am currently looking to buy a 1911 pistol. I ruled this one out within seconds of picking it up. Not even in the ballpark with a Springfield, Colt, or S&W. I even liked the RIA & Taurus better than the Desert Eagle. And, they were priced lower !

I compared it side by side with the RI and AC. Citadel was much better. The store manager even pulled one out for himself. Don't understand about the sights - adjustable front and rear, and although I haven't shot it yet, they look good to me.

[O'Dell]

I discovered that theres a separate section in the back of the Citidel manual that tells about removing the bull barrel style.

In shaking the cobwebs out of my head that barrel should slide right out the front just like any other. Several asked questions about it though so apparently your not the only one.

The Legacy Sports site wasn't much help and I can't remember where I was when I read a guys step by step breakdown but he didn't even give it an extra note. Slide the barrel out the front just like the big brother, he spent way more time on the paper clip and drilling a hole if you don't already have one.

Figured it out. There's a bushing around the guide rod hole that slides out to the rear. Then the barrel can be removed through the front. As I said earlier, I'm not that used to 1911's, and I hadn't seen this before. I'm used to the old barrel bushing. I knew they didn't machine that barrel in there.:)

[Bawanna]

That's different. You mind if I go buy one so I can be sure I know what we're talking about. I'm sure my wife will understand long as you say it's ok and can be considered a learning experience? I might even try it's for the children, learning and stuff.

Glad you got it figured out.

[O'Dell]

That's different. You mind if I go buy one so I can be sure I know what we're talking about. I'm sure my wife will understand long as you say it's ok and can be considered a learning experience? I might even try it's for the children, learning and stuff.

Glad you got it figured out.

Yeah, it was different to me too. It makes the pistol very easy to strip, once you figure it out.

Tell her that I said it's OK - it fact it's almost mandatory.

[O'Dell]

Hey O'DELL............

My post was about the MR1911 Desert Eagle. That I saw this morning.
NOT your Citadel. My comments about the sights being CRAP. Were NOT directed toward your gun.

Hope you understand that. I have not seen a Citadel yet. But I bet I would like it better that the Desert Eagle also.

Oops, sorry. It's not the first time I haven't read closely enough. Sorry to be too quick on the trigger, so to speak.:p

[Bawanna]

Hey O'DELL............

My post was about the MR1911 Desert Eagle. That I saw this morning.
NOT your Citadel. My comments about the sights being CRAP. Were NOT directed toward your gun.

Hope you understand that. I have not seen a Citadel yet. But I bet I would like it better that the Desert Eagle also.

I think this is one of them thar ambiguitous post. I read your post just like you say and surmised the content accurately.
I've not encountered the Citadel myself but in trying to figure out O'Dells dissasembly difficulty, every place I went gave it glowing good reports. Might be a good one for you to track down and hold in your search for a 1911. I recall seeing that they have a full size and I believe a stainless model as well which as I recall was a preference you mentioned earlier. I'm not in the market right now, (how strange is that?) but I hope to encounter one to check out soon myself.