PM9 frame issue

[fetrainer]

Hello all Kahr fans, I have a new PM9, albeit back at the Kahr factory now, with what I perceive to have a frame issue. The left rear of the frame, where the ejector rail terminates, has a slight bulge in it. The bulge protrudes far enough to prevent the frame and slide from being flush. But only on the LHS, the RHS is flush. Word from the factory is that is how the frames less than a year old are being made. All seriel # starting with IC should have this bulge. It would seem to me that the frame and slide should be flush and if the frame needs to be a little thicker where the ejection rail ends, that this be done internaly. Or make it that thick all the way and mill the slide to match. I would like to hear from other PM9 owners who have the same issue please.

[johnh]

Can you post a picture of what you are describing? I have not seen a PM lately so must admit I am in the dark on this one.

John

[fetrainer]

Thanks John, wish I could but its still at the factory. Found a thread posted back in Oct describing a very similar issue. The frame was replaced without fuss. I was told there was nothing out of the ordinary and they were simply going to ship it back.:mad:

[robmcd]

I have a new PM9 will the same serial number prefix, but mine has a manual safety (MA compliant model). It sounds like the area you are describing is where the safety is installed. Since it looks like the frame is modified after manufacture to accommodate the safety, the bulge may simply be extra material added to allow for a manual safety to be added on certain variants. It seems logical that Kahr would design a single frame for use with all PM models. Just a guess.

[fetrainer]

The bulge is at the rear of the frame. Just below and to the left of the Slide Back.

[bigmacque]

I have to run home and check my IC serial numbered device, I have a different weapon with me today .... I honestly don't recall seeing a bulge back there. But, truthfully ..... mine has worked so flawlessly and so sweetly, that all I've really done is take it apart, clean it, put it back together, and holster it. Well, load it and then holster it.

[Bawanna]

fetrainer, take a picture when it gets back. Kind of curious as we all are to see what your talking about.
Sounds a bit too far forward to be involved with the added safety although that would make sense.
We certainly have enough around here to compare yours to to see if indeed it is normal.
Course if the Kahr techs say it's normal, I'd say theres a better than average chance your ok. Still wanna know, ya know?

[fetrainer]

Bawanna45, if you do a search for "uberdog" find 3 pix of his frame that had the identical issue as mine. Pix show in great detail the seperation gap from the s/s rail and the end of the poly frame. The frame had nowhere to go but outwards, and only on this side.

[Bawanna]

Gotcha. I remember that seeing the pictures. I didn't think it looked right myself and a few posted pics that were not like that. Others said theirs looked exactly like yours. It looks like it should have been trimmed down more when they built it to me. It doesn't really do anything to speak of that I can tell.
My PM45 had a couple corners that cracked where the frame transitions into the dust cover. It was unsightly when dissasembled and kind of annoyed me. Considered sending it back, then just trimmed off the corners at the crack and I feel alot better about it.
Again I guess I can't question the Kahr techs, but I'd still keep an eye on that spot and see if anything changes. I suspect you'll be fine.
I wish I had a better more solid answer for ya but I surely don't.

[fetrainer]

Thanks for the support. I hope Kahr is willing to resolve this issue like they did with the one in the pix. I am in no mood to spend this kind of $ and smith it myself. I am still wondering how isolated this this issue is.

[jocko]

pictures go a long way to showing us what is evident we don't know or have not seen.

[robmcd]

I just checked mine, and it has the same thing. It's slightly less noticeable than the other photos posted by uberdog. Here are some photos.


http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/robmcdphotos/IMG_1427.jpg


http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/robmcdphotos/IMG_1433.jpg


http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/robmcdphotos/IMG_1429.jpg


http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/robmcdphotos/IMG_1430.jpg


http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/robmcdphotos/IMG_1436.jpg


http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/robmcdphotos/IMG_1438.jpg


http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/robmcdphotos/IMG_1437.jpg

[Bawanna]

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=4410&highlight=uberdog

Heres the pictures from uberdog he referred to.

Well that didn't work for beans, give me another chance here.

[Bawanna]

http://kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2594&d=1288110795

Testing 1,2,3. Houston, I think we have lift off.

[fetrainer]

Robmcd, thanks for the pix, that is area I'm questioning. Mine is pronounced like the one Uberdog had. Maybe the mold needs some retooling. Maybe its just cosmetic and can be ground down to flush it out with the slide. But like I told Bawanna45, after the $ I spent on this roscoe, I'm in no mood to smith it. Also, do you really want to make that piece thinner? Wouldn't engineering have designed it thinner from the getgo then?

[robmcd]

Robmcd, thanks for the pix, that is area I'm questioning. Mine is pronounced like the one Uberdog had. Maybe the mold needs some retooling. Maybe its just cosmetic and can be ground down to flush it out with the slide. But like I told Bawanna45, after the $ I spent on this roscoe, I'm in no mood to smith it. Also, do you really want to make that piece thinner? Wouldn't engineering have designed it thinner from the getgo then?

I absolutely agree with you. Kahr needs to pay more attention to details. There are other excellent pocket guns entering the market at a lower price point. "Don't worry, they're all like that" is not an acceptable answer under this circumstance.

[jocko]

fetrainer: If it is definitely wrong you should not have to "smitty"
it either. If they have not sent it back to you,how about calling them and asking for eion Pryol and have him tale a close look at it also and if your not satisifed, go alittle higher.

If indeed that is the way the guns, now are made that is different but it so seems that it is not, Keep your cool..

[fetrainer]

Thanks jocko, I was told I had already spoken to the head smith at Kahr. Now trying to find who he answers to. I don't want to do battle with them, but don't want to get jerked around either. They need to live up to this statement from their website;

"Utilizing the programming and tooling capabilities of CNC machining centers, Kahr pistols' main components are precision computer machined to the tightest universal tolerances. Machined parts, cut exactly to the engineering blueprint, assure proper assembly and peak performance of the Kahr pistol."

[jocko]

Thanks jocko, I was told I had already spoken to the head smith at Kahr. Now trying to find who he answers to. I don't want to do battle with them, but don't want to get jerked around either. They need to live up to this statement from their website;

"Utilizing the programming and tooling capabilities of CNC machining centers, Kahr pistols' main components are precision computer machined to the tightest universal tolerances. Machined parts, cut exactly to the engineering blueprint, assure proper assembly and peak performance of the Kahr pistol."

PM sent.

without me havingone of these guns in my hands, even photos don't tell me enough, keep at it, don't let them send it back yet, until you have covered all your bases at kahr...

If this issue is in the grip area (lower portion). that would be a vendor related polymer product. Kahr does not make those grips in house. Metal parts yes cnc but not the polymer frame


I was just told by uberdog that indeed kahr did replace his frame and said his frame we certainly out of spec. so keep on them fetrainer..