New style slide is BETTER. [Archive]

mudfish

01-24-2011, 05:41 PM

Bawanna

01-24-2011, 05:52 PM

Great pictures, nice looking gun! Night sights, looks like your all set.

Jocko! Be nice. Count to 10. Breath into a papersack. It's all really really good!

garyb

01-24-2011, 05:53 PM

It's a beautiful thing...I agree. Are you certain it is 1/4". I measure it out to be a mere 1/8", but I also asked Kahr for accurate comparison and they failed to respond. I noticed another change. I see there is a shiny plate at/under the muzzle which looks to be a SR #. This was not on my PM40 which also has the beveled/longer slide. I am not sure I like that, but it could be covered if the owner did not like shiny parts. Not a big deal.
How do you like the way it shoots in terms of comfort, recoil and muzzle flip? What are you shooting for carry ammo? Why did you choose the 40 and the PM?

Look at the Crimson Trace Laser and the Agrips for her. You will be impressed indeed.

They are a beautiful gun. The more you shoot it, the more you'll be glad you selected the PM40. Good luck with her.

DasFriek

01-24-2011, 06:17 PM

I cant decide if i like it better or not, But the longer specs could make a potential buyer look at another gun even if its a fraction of an inch.
That wasn't much of a worry until all these 9mm micro's have just been released, But yours in a .40 so Kahr is WAY ahead of the game still.
That fraction of an inch could possibly help accuracy as it would support the barrel out at a longer distance.
I dont like the s/n on the slide, That could mean a whole gun replacement when you only need a slide replaced so the s/n's stay matching.
I had to pull my MK9 out to look and see if it had the changes on its slide and mine is the older style.
I do like the all black on a polymer gun, Im definitely headed that way on a PM45 or a CM45 if that ever makes it to market.

Bawanna

01-24-2011, 06:33 PM

I don't see the SN on the slide? What am I missing. That little plate on the dust cover is the way all the PM's I've ever seen are. Wheres your serial number garyb?

hsart

01-24-2011, 06:55 PM

Those are great pics... how exactly did you take them... what kind of camera/lens, etc?

ltxi

01-24-2011, 07:11 PM

I don't see the SN on the slide? What am I missing. That little plate on the dust cover is the way all the PM's I've ever seen are. Wheres your serial number garyb?

Don't see any s/n on the slide either. s/n plate on my PM9 frame is a bit less obvious...matte stainless.

Tat2dman

01-24-2011, 07:18 PM

I`m sure Jocko know`s,but,I believe the BATF only requires the frame to be serialized???

racuda

01-24-2011, 07:19 PM

Plus you get the longer sight radius for additional accuracy potential. :)

There is no significant difference in accuracy between two guns with a sight radius that differs by a fraction of an inch. The math is messy, but I'll do it if you insist. :)

mudfish

01-24-2011, 07:53 PM

I enjoy every accuracy improvement I can get, even if it must be measured with micrometers. :)

garyb

01-24-2011, 07:54 PM

Bawanna, I never said anything about the SR# being on the slide. ???? But I did say I saw it on the shiny plate under the muzzle (referring to the polymer frame) in the photos on this thread. To be honest, I've had my CTL on my gun for so long, I don't remember what is under it on my frame. I had a couple of Bud's tonight so I won't try to mess with it now. But the next time I have the CTL off, I will check to see if the SR# is on the frame under it. I simply don't remember it being a shiny plate. Perhaps it is matte black. Like I said, no mention of it on the slide....perhaps the SR# is in the same place on the frame as in these photos, but I know it is not shiny stainless on mine. That was my only point. Hopefully this clarifies.

ripley16

01-24-2011, 08:06 PM

Excellent photos. I assume the new slide saves a tiny bit of weight? I wonder if this is the look of all Kahrs now?

mudfish

01-24-2011, 08:16 PM

Those are great pics... how exactly did you take them... what kind of camera/lens, etc?

Thanks. I used a Canon G10 in full manual. Set the gun on a sheet of white paper in the garage with the door open for light. That created a strong shadow on one side so I held a sheet of white paper near the camera to bounce light onto the shadows. Camera on a tripod was about 2-2.5 feet above the gun. F4.5 and time was about 1 second exposure, slightly overexposed on purpose for effect to blank out the paper below and expose black details. No flash needed. Shutter release set for 2 second delay to eliminate shake even with the tripod. Then I used Photoshop to erase a few dust spots and do minor brightness and contrast adjustments just to darken the black a little. There's still a funny color in the shady areas under the gun but I was in a hurry so I just left that alone. This was just a quickie shoot. :)

DasFriek

01-25-2011, 12:09 AM

lol I thought where it says "Stainless" was a s/n, Sorry my mistake.

Riccardo

01-25-2011, 12:20 AM

It's a beautiful thing...I agree. Are you certain it is 1/4". I measure it out to be a mere 1/8", but I also asked Kahr for accurate comparison and they failed to respond.

I've measured 3 of the new PM9's and would say they are closer to 1/4". If you measure from front sight to rear sight, it is definitely 1/4" longer.

Riccardo

01-25-2011, 12:22 AM

Kahr changed the look of their PM slides recently. The new slides are about 1/4" longer and are beveled up front. My opinion, it looks great and does not hinder concealability at all. Plus you get the longer sight radius for additional accuracy potential. :)

Here are a few photos of my PM40.

http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad43/DiRTYDOG223/690fd37e.jpg

http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad43/DiRTYDOG223/ec81b178.jpg

http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad43/DiRTYDOG223/2025e1bb.jpg

http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad43/DiRTYDOG223/091072c3.jpg

http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad43/DiRTYDOG223/b662f734.jpg

Gorgeous pictures. One of the drawbacks to the new slide is that it is more difficult to pull back (rack a round). This could be a substantial negative to some women or weaker individuals. Spring tension has been increased, which theoretically should cut down on the ftf problems the PM's have had in the past, but creates new challenges.

garyb

01-25-2011, 07:44 AM

Thanks Ricardo (on the answer to my 1/4" question).

eastenn

01-25-2011, 07:46 AM

shew, good gun pics are probably my wife's worst enemy..

tconroy

01-25-2011, 07:51 AM

DANGIT!!! IVE had enough!! Im buying a pm this weekend!!!:D Or when ever I can stop drooling over these pictures. Man, I ought to have ya take pics of my motorcycle, those are top notch!!!

Verndog

01-25-2011, 12:52 PM

Does anyone know if there is a published revision update? I've read that the feedramps are now polished and there is a different recoil spring as well, but would like to know all of what is changed.

earle8888

01-25-2011, 01:01 PM

mudfish

01-25-2011, 01:18 PM

I don't have both models to compare measurements, but I'll measure my new beveled slide in a minute.

mudfish

01-25-2011, 02:28 PM

The front bevel on the slide narrows the slide width from 0.940" down to 0.750" at the very tip. See measurements.

http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad43/DiRTYDOG223/5dd6bf41.jpg

http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad43/DiRTYDOG223/01e634b7.jpg

deadhead1971

01-25-2011, 03:01 PM

Verndog: Check this out from October. This deals with the recoil spring of the PM9 but it may also apply to the PM40--the new models (new style) have longer recoil springs which will NOT work in the older (old style) models. This problem manifested itself months back when folks with old styles ordered replacement recoil springs and were mystified when after inserting the "new" spring, the slide would NOT go back. This was because the spring was too long. So when ordering a spare recoil spring, you need to get the right one.

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=4118&highlight=recoil+spring

deadhead1971

01-25-2011, 03:42 PM

Here is the page. See new style springs.

http://www.kahr.com/Parts/Kahr-PM40.asp

Verndog

01-25-2011, 03:50 PM

Thank you for the link Deadhead. I knew about the spring change but wanted to know if there was revision history that documented all the changes made to the 'revised" PM9. Also I read that some older manuals were shipped with the newer revision, but does anyone know if the 1200 round recommended spring change is the same or revised? There is something important enough about that spring that they wanted to make the change and now carry 2 spring lengths. Possibly the visible chamfer changes are there more so to help see it's the updated slide with a side benifit of easier holstering??

deadhead1971

01-25-2011, 04:02 PM

I read somewhere that the new style slide is longer so it needs the longer spring. is that what you are talking about?

jocko

01-25-2011, 04:15 PM

I had heard a rumor that Kahr was relocating the serial number so it would be visible with the CTL installed, since Kahr was shipping new ones with laser installed.
Also, I don't see a serial on the slide!
Also, has anybody actually measured beveled vs not beveled?

number on the slide, It will remain on the grip. I think that serial # relocation is a rumor. I serio8sly doubt if kahr is going to relocate that serial # due to a product made by another company. But it rained here today when they called for snow, so what do I know..:blah:

jocko

01-25-2011, 04:16 PM

I read somewhere that the new style slide is longer so it needs the longer spring. is that what you are talking about?

also needs a longer barrel, longer recoil rod assembly and longer outter recoil spring. They are gonna get around to updateing teir manuals showing both slides and part numbers along with updating their webb site to. So they tell me anyhow..

Bawanna

01-25-2011, 04:27 PM

Wow, I was expecting alot more fire and brimstone Jocko. That medication is really mellowing you out.

Verndog

01-25-2011, 04:52 PM

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=4409

New version???Hunn, sure sounds like alot of B. S. to me, wonder what all the "current" issues were that is now resolved also.

someone is pulling your leg stinger.
that tap[ered side has been seen or other model kahrs months and months ago. If there is a new model I would think they would have a new model number,as fas as cosmetic changes, gun companies do that all the time. Some like the tapered look, some also like the other style..

Lets see now, isn't glock on their 3rd generation model but yet same model number??? these companies including gun companies do this stuff all the time...

also needs a longer barrel, longer recoil rod assembly and longer outter recoil spring. They are gonna get around to updateing teir manuals showing both slides and part numbers along with updating their webb site to. So they tell me anyhow..

it rained here today when they called for snow, so what do I know..

My guess is not as much as you think. :D

RONDO

01-26-2011, 09:07 PM

Hey Guys! :D Just read the length and serial # discussion. I've got an old style PM9 & a new style PM40, both are fantastic! But, to the point, the serial # plate is in the same location on each model. Also, I butted both guns up against the kithen counter to compare lengths; barely 1/8" difference. By the way the Kahr specs on their site, before the new style, has the length difference at .05". :rolleyes: :) Cheers!

RONDO

01-27-2011, 04:33 AM

When considering a weapons' concealability, Width is often more of a factor than length. ;) I would like to know if the NEW PM40 is still the tiniest bit larger than the NEW PM9. :confused: Using the spec data from the Kahr site, the OLD PM40 was .05" longer and .04" wider than the OLD PM9. :rolleyes: While this difference is minute, the additional width does seem to give the PM40 a slightly larger FEEL. :)

mudfish

01-27-2011, 01:50 PM

My new PM40 slide is 0.94" wide.

RONDO

01-27-2011, 02:39 PM

Thx, Mudfish. :) I've got a new PM9 ordered ... should be here this weekend ...then I'll have a NEW STYLE model of each to compare side by side. In the mean time, do you have a precise length measurement for your NEW STYLE PM40 as well? :confused:

Anybody out there have a precise length/width measurement for the NEW STYLE PM9 ? We're gonna get this figured out before Kahr gets around to publishing the numbers ... :D

mudfish

01-27-2011, 02:46 PM

Depends on where you measure the rear of the slide. I posted pics the other day in this thread.

garyb

01-27-2011, 03:08 PM

Measured my new style PM40 slide. From muzzle end of slide to the rear end of the slide, measured at the bottom of the slide 5 3/8" exact.

RONDO

01-27-2011, 07:18 PM

Thx garyb! :D ... 5 3/8" = 5.38" ... according to the specs on the Kahr site, the older PM40 measures 5.35" , soooo the new PM40 is only .03" longer. :)

mudfish

01-27-2011, 07:47 PM

My new PM40 measures 5.430" from the bottom front to bottom rear of the slide. Measured with steel calipers.

MikeyKahr

01-27-2011, 08:28 PM

Maybe Kahr's putting out different sizes of PM40s. Wouldn't that be nice!! :popcorn:

garyb

01-29-2011, 07:25 AM

I'll remeasure mine with calibers when I get back to home base next week. I used a small rule and admittedly could be off slightly. Calibers are a better way to do this. I'll take a few measurements to share, being that there is some interest. It is what it is. Tx.

jocko

01-29-2011, 10:46 AM

Maybe Kahr's putting out different sizes of PM40s. Wouldn't that be nice!! :popcorn:

doubt the new PM40's will have the longer beveled slide on them. They would not do that just to the PM9.

garyb

02-02-2011, 09:35 AM

Mudfish, My measurements concur with yours. I carefully remeasured my new improved version of the PM40 (with the nicely beveled slide) using steel calibers:
-Slide Length 4.430"
-Slide Width 0.94"
- Overall length from barrel (which protrudes) slightly outside of slide, to the back/bottom of the slightly beavertailed portion of the polymer grip is 5.610"
- Overall height to top of rear slide from the front finger portion of the bottom of polymer (at mag base with mag removed) is 3.940"
- Overall height to the top of the rear sight (night sights) from bottom of polymer at mag base (mag removed) is 4.057"

Kahr Specs on the OLD model PM40 are:
Length: 5.35" (delta is .26" or 1/4" longer on new beveled model)
Width 0.94" no change
Height 4.0" (delta is 0.06" less on new beveled model, which makes me think this measurement was rounded from 3.94 by Kahr on the old model OR they measured to the top of the standard sights.)

I am not certain of the exact measurements of the old PM40. This would need to be measured exactly with calibers and compared.

Still a great shooting 40 for it's minute size and weight!!!!!