CW45 Slide Locked Closed

[2edgesword]

New member here with an issue that I can't imagine is a first so hopefully members can provide an answer.

My first trip to the range I fired 50 rounds through my new CW45 with no issues. Took the firearm home and did a cleaning after which I did a functonal test. I went back to the range and ran a magazine through again with no issues.

I switched out magazines fired one round, the case ejected and went to fire th next round and it failed to fire. I went to retract the slide. It moved about a 1/4" and no more. I made a couple of repeated attempts to retract the slide but it's basically locked in the closed position with a live round inside. I removed the magazine and tried again but still no joy.

Can anyone provide some assistance?

[jocko]

My bet is yo have a round that is way out of spec and it is now stock in the throated area of the chamber.


Take the magazine out, fingers not even close to the trigger , put the nose of the gun against your door jam and push as hard as you can. If that doesn't work, which I think it will break it loose, it you have a rubber mallet strike the nose of the slide hard as hell. oneof the two will break the slide loose to help you get that round out.

[ripley16]

Wow... Heck of a first post. Welcome and hope we can help.


My bet is yo have a round that is way out of spec and it is now stock in the throated area of the chamber.
I agree. That it was accompanied by a lightstrike is the big problem.
Are you able to retract the slide enough to reset? It sounds like the 1/4" is too short but I wonder if you tried a second strike on the round.

I've had rounds stuck in the chamber of a P45 and I've been able to vigorously, forcefully rack the slide to eject the round. It took a lot of effort and muscle, but it did eventually eject the round.

Keep it pointed safely of course. If I were to use Jocko's method of pushing the slide against a fixed object, I'd be inclinded to do it pointing down into the dirt or into a discharge barrel.

Give us an update.

[jocko]

I think what has happened riply 16 is that the gun is slightly NOW out of time and there will be no slide movement allowed, nor second strke anything. That is why alot of light strikes happen to, the slide might look like it is full battery but if it is out even the slightest, than the gun is out of time and light strikes will occur. I doubt if he can move the slide a 1/4" to reset the trigger. That round has it locked tight, but a tap o the nose will take care of it.

[2edgesword]

Thanks folks.

This is my first Kahr and I was feeling very good about the firearm until this incident. That said I won't let this one issue (unless it's repeated) sour me on the brand.

The slide won't go back near far enough to reset so no chance at a second strike to clear the firearm.

I didn't try a really, really aggressively pull on the slide fearing I'd break something. I'm going to give my slide pull some more juice (finger away from the trigger) and see if I can clear the round.

Hammer & firearm...that's a scary proposition :).

Anyway, I will save my attempt to free the slide until I get back to the range and will definitely report back on the results.

[jocko]

It isn't the guns fault that this happened. If you have a better solution in getting the slide to move backward. Go for it. Alittle common sense with the hammer part and you willbe good to go. It's not gonna go bang on you. You can take it to a smitty and have him charge u 50 bucks and he will do the same thing, ur choice.

[Bawanna]

My last range trip I did what you have to myself. My reloads were just a tad too long. I had to put a cleaning rod down the barrel and push against a wall hard kind of a hammer pushing mode while trying to pull the slide back.
Just pulling on the slide your making the extractor do all the work. A wood dowel will help by pushing the bullet out of the lands.

I don't think theres any way the round will fire but obviously you want to keep it pointed someplace safe. I'd do it at home myself, the range probably won't be thrilled about you backing your gun against the wall with a stick down the barrel.

Mine didn't say anything to me but they may not have noticed.

Like Jocko said if this is the issue it's not the guns fault at all.

I'm waiting for a good got it handled and all is well report. Please don't let us down.

[jocko]

i thought about the dowell thing bawanna but was alittle hesitant to suggest it. That to me would be easier and no hammer needed, just a good solid surfact to push the dowell rod against. as u know it only takes a tad to break that round loose in the chamber/throad, not like it is gonna totally push back hard. It won't. a slight millimeter movement and the slide will break free....

[Bawanna]

Yeah it's kind of scarey thinking of putting a dowel down the barrel of a loaded gun but you gotta do what ya gotta do.
I was amazed how tightly mine was locked up. I really had to bang it pretty good to push it back out.
I used a wall but pushing it down on a floor and banging it while pulling on the slide would work just as well, maybe better.

[2edgesword]

jocko

No offense intended. My comment about the hammer is a reflection of my total ignorance about anything to do with dealing with firearms other then safety, basic shooting and cleaning.

[Bawanna]

jocko

No offense intended. My comment about the hammer is a reflection of my total ignorance about anything to do with dealing with firearms other then safety, basic shooting and cleaning.

Jocko's much thicker than that. The thought of hammering on your gun is scary indeed, I dont care who you are.

I'd try the dowel down the barrel and pulling on the slide myself, scary as it sounds it will get the job done. Might save breaking the extractor too.

[MAG176]

The way a gun shop will do it will to fill the barrel half full of oil. Using a tight fitting dowel or cleaning jag, a little piece of pvc tape to insure a tight fit, insert into barrel and a tap with a hammer. Will use hydraulic force to evenly force the round out . Best of luck. I know it sounds scary but have seen this done a few times. Usually happens with reloads. Best of luck.

Mag

[jocko]

jocko

No offense intended. My comment about the hammer is a reflection of my total ignorance about anything to do with dealing with firearms other then safety, basic shooting and cleaning.

problem, I would suggest going the way of Bawanna suggestion. Both would be just as safe, that round is not gonna go boom. harley riders would use a hammer, I guess thats why I got alittle carried away. Hammers are always part of a Harley riders tools. My PM9 once was a G19 that had a round stuck in the chamber and I hammered the pi-s out of it so much that when I finally got the round out the damn gun, it looked like a PM9, .. Thats the gods honest truth.
A hammer is a wonderful thing:59:

[jocko]

The way a gun shop will do it will to fill the barrel half full of oil. Using a tight fitting dowel or cleaning jag, a little piece of pvc tape to insure a tight fit, insert into barrel and a tap with a hammer. Will use hydraulic force to evenly force the round out . Best of luck. I know it sounds scary but have seen this done a few times. Usually happens with reloads. Best of luck.

Mag

for me, just bang the pi-s out it on the dowell rod with a HAMMER. Inserting a dowell and pushing it down on concrete is about the same as using a hamme,r only now we will be calling the concrete a stationary hammer:)

I would not think any type of penetraing lubricant would be a bad thing either. pour it downt he barrel,let it sit for 15 minutes and oh yes grab a Hammer AND bang the pi-s out of it..

[2edgesword]

problem, I would suggest going the way of Bawanna suggestion. Both would be just as safe, that round is not gonna go boom. harley riders would use a hammer, I guess thats why I got alittle carried away. Hammers are always part of a Harley riders tools.

So you'll know where I'm coming from, I ride a lowly 250cc Honda Rebel ;).

[2edgesword]

Hi Folks,

A little leverage using the edge of a table and I got the slide back and the round freed. It doesn't look like a light strike so I'm thinking a bad primer. I'm going to try to make it to the range tonight and I'll give a report when I get back.

[Bawanna]

Whooow, good report, glad that's over. Just for the record what kind of ammo was it. Homemade, or factory or what? I'm wondering if it tried to launch the bullet and it just went enough to get jammed in the lands or if the bullet was too long to begin with and hit them when it was chambered.
I'd pull that bullet and see if theres any powder in it too or shake it and see if you hear or feel it moving around.

[Longitude Zero]

I am glad it worked out. A knowledgeable gunsmith has the tools and expertise to safely solve that and mandy other issues. The one in my locale has seen that trouble more than a few times.

[2edgesword]

Back after sending 100 rounds down range with not a hiccup. Compared the firing pin indent on the round that didn't fire against a sample of spend cartridges and I'm 99% sure the cause of the mishap was a bad primer versus a light strike.

BTW, it was factory ammo (Fiocchi) not a reload. Having said that I've fired hundreds of rounds of Fiocchi ammo of various calibers and this is the first time I've had a fail to fire.

[MW surveyor]

Glad to read that you got it fixed. Had the same problem with a Taurus. Lot of force on the edge of the bench also did it for me.

[ripley16]

Glad to hear the happy ending. Fiocchi ammo is generally very reliable. The only factory ammo I've had get stuck is Mag Tech and it was in several different brands of firearm, not just my P45.

[jocko]

Back after sending 100 rounds down range with not a hiccup. Compared the firing pin indent on the round that didn't fire against a sample of spend cartridges and I'm 99% sure the cause of the mishap was a bad primer versus a light strike.

BTW, it was factory ammo (Fiocchi) not a reload. Having said that I've fired hundreds of rounds of Fiocchi ammo of various calibers and this is the first time I've had a fail to fire.

that IMO you stillhad a stuck round, a light striker or bad primer willnot cause the slide to lock up. Your gun is OK, just a out of spec round or case even. You might want to give the chamber a good polishing with a dremel and polishing cone or some 600+ grip auto paper rolled up on a dowel or pencil . Just polish away, ur not gonna hurt anything.

glad you got it all cleared to... no harm no foul. :p