Recoil on PM9?

[Squib]

I'm just a couple of days away from picking up a PM9. Having never shot one, I called a friend who has one so we could talk about it. He said the recoil on his PM9 is very similar to a KelTec P-11!:eek:

I have a P-11 and I consider it a "real pain" to shoot. Half a box of shells and I'm ready to put it down. All of a sudden, I have a garlic necklace and a rosery in my hand, and I'm backing out of the room.

Please give me your opinions of the recoil on the PM9. I have a CW9, and I'm not all that aware of the recoil, so I was assuming that would be the case with the PM9. Do I have a tenious grasp on reality?

[jocko]

can't give you an opinion on the kel tec but I think your friend is a real "*****".

The PM9 will be no dfference IMO than your CW9

[Bawanna]

I've never heard anyone complain about the recoil on a PM9. I'm with Jocko it should be comparable to your CW. I ain't gonna say he's right and I'd really like to know how he really feels about your friend.

I think you'll love the PM.

[DKD]

Don't seat it SQUIB...most find the recoil quite manageable. Personally I find it very comfortable to shoot mine. I even have a PM45 and even with 230 grain ball I don't find the recoil to be objectionable.
The ergonomics of the pistol places your hand higher up in relation to the bore reducing muzzle flip and makes it much more controllable and milder to shoot.
I would highly recommend that you get a Hogue Jr. rubber slip on boot...makes the gun feel sooo much better in your hand. Just break her in per the manual and do your prep for your new Kahr and you will love her, trust me.
Let us know when you tried your new toy out and give us a range report.....enjoy.

[deadhead1971]

My 380 LCP has more felt recoil and muzzle snap then the PM9.

[CPO15]

My PF9 (no longer mine, if you know what I mean) felt like a M-80 going off in my hand compared to my PM9. The PM9 is probably just a little less recoil than any 9mm Glock, and I shoot all three models. I was worried too, worried that the PM9 would be just like the KelTec; but Jocko steered me right and I couldn't be happier. I agree with deadhead's comment about the LCP, which is also no longer mine as I traded up to the P380.

[jocko]

No two people are going to perceive the recoil of any firearm exactly the same...we're all made different.

so right:popcorn:

[Squib]

Thanks all. I'm feeling a lot better about things. Anybody need a garlic necklace?

[jocko]

gto two of them I put them on when I get on my harley to get a milk shake! trust me though though ba-tards don't do a damn bit of good!

[tomwalshco]

P11 is snappier than a PM9 for some reason. Springs, maybe. Part of the discomfort of the P11 is that million pound, long pull trigger, too. Had one for a while, good enough gun, just didn't like the revolver type trigger.

Much more pleasant with a PM9. Stick the 7 round mag in there and it's almost mild. Of course, the flip side is racking that slide is a mother.

[jocko]

kahrs lower bore axis plays a big part in less felt recoil. I dont think we appreciate that concept and his design to achieve that in this small gun..

[Rotorflyr]

I've shot MrsFlyrs PM9 on a number of occasions, and in comparison to her Taurus PT111 (which is roughly 4 oz's heavier) the PM9 is is soft shooting.

I wouldn't sweat it, especially if you like shooting your CW9. Besides if you decide you don't like it, you'll have no problem selling it.

[jreXD9]

I HAD a PF9 (I know, not an 11) and the PM9's recoil is WAAAY less than that. I also have a CW9 and the recoil on the PM9 is only a hair more than the CW. Heck, the recoil on my CW45 feels less than the PF9.

[Gavin S.]

I have a Scandium S&W 340 and the PM9 feels like a .22lr compared to shooting that thing with 38 specials. Sure, the PM9 jumps a bit, but it doesn't hurt at all.

[joshh]

dont worry about the recoil as its surprisingly manageable. for a small pistol the pm9 is actually fun to shoot. my wife is fairly small she likes shooting my pm9. recoil intimidates her where she'll only load 1 round of .40 at a time in my glock22 because she thinks itll fly out of her hands one of these times. pm9 is only 9mm i own and its my every day carry at this point.

[jocko]

I don't mention this hardly ever but but: PORT IT and enjoy it even more.!!1

magna-port.com

[Goffman]

I'm just a couple of days away from picking up a PM9. Having never shot one, I called a friend who has one so we could talk about it. He said the recoil on his PM9 is very similar to a KelTec P-11!:eek:

I have a P-11 and I consider it a "real pain" to shoot. Half a box of shells and I'm ready to put it down. All of a sudden, I have a garlic necklace and a rosery in my hand, and I'm backing out of the room.

Please give me your opinions of the recoil on the PM9. I have a CW9, and I'm not all that aware of the recoil, so I was assuming that would be the case with the PM9. Do I have a tenious grasp on reality?

Don't listen to all of these people, Squib. The recoil on the PM9 is awful!!! :eek: In the interest of your health and safety, you should have your new pistol shipped to me immediately. Yes, I know it will mean that I will have two PM9s, but I am willing to make that sacrifice for a fellow forum member. Besides, I think my wife would enjoy a 9mm to complement her P380.

Kidding, of course. In all seriousness, the recoil on the PM9 is not an issue. It didn't seem all that different to me from shooting a small-framed .38 special (e.g., S&W j-frame). If you're concerned about it, stick with the standard pressure ammunition, which is used much more often than the chest pounding debates about ammunition would suggest. See the following thread: http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=5444

[jocko]

goffman, I beat you to that, I already PM-ed him to send the ****** PM9 to me. As u know we hat eo see anyone get hurt with a PM9 and the recoil is just totally unbearable, that I just cannot explain all the pain I get when Ishoot my PM9 which now has over 30,000 rounds out of it. I guess I like Painor one has to have enough in the brain area that senses pain . Not sure of where I am at in that category.


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[Jeff00042]

Just put my first 300 rounds through my new PM9. I have a K9 Elite and previously owned a Mk9. The recoil is greater than my K9 but only slightly more than the Mk9. I did not find it at all uncomfortable to shoot.

[Squib]

Hey Goffman and jocko. I would not want to be seen as insulting either of you. But, hang onto the day jobs, you guys would starve in used appliances!:rolleyes: Could I interest you in a slightly used curcifix?

[jocko]

Jobs???? are u kidding me, I retired 15+ years ago, so I could ride my harley's like I stole um and shoot my kahrs until I am tired. Jobs, sound like WORK!!!!

[copterdrvr]

I own a PM9 as well as a Keltec P11 and a P9F and this is also the order of "enjoyment" for shooting these pistols.

When I took my PM9 out on it's first outing, I ran through over 200 rounds and had to stop---because I ran out of bullets!!! When I shot my P11 the first time I quit after 100 rounds because I'd had enough fun. The first time I shot my P9F I was done after 50 rounds because my fun-meter was pegged.

I agree 100% with Jocko in that the "perceived" recoil of the Kahrs is so much lower than other pistols because of the low bore axis of the Kahrs.

The most noticable difference I've seen is when I fire my P380 and my Keltec P3AT. I could literally shoot the P380 ALL DAY LONG! I'm done with the P3AT after two magazines-it is one snappy little pistol.

[racuda]

As long as people are comparing soft shooting PM9's to really uncomfortable guns to shoot, here is my worst one. It was a gift, and it is so punishing and not fun that I have only shot 4 rounds total through it - a Cobra 9mm derringer. Not only does it hurt, but it feels like its going to jump out of my hand and hit me in the head.

http://www.cobrafirearms.net/images/products/Cobra-BigBoreDerringer-lg.jpg

[Bawanna]

Often wondered about those. If they would be a bear to shoot. Held many at the gun shows and I was looking at 38's and 45's. I figured I could download the 38's to girlyman loads and get by.
Fortunately common sense prevailed and I realized that the derringer isnt any lighter nad hardly any smaller than alot of compact semi autos.
Still be nice to have one, kind of a nostalgia, cool factor thing.


I can almost see it, please don't make me shoot you, dang this is gonna hurt...

[jocko]

Well I would have to PORT IT!!!!

just sent my lawn mower mufflers to magna port to get ported. anxiously awaiting their reply back to me!!!!

[jlottmc]

I was doing some gun smithing on the side once, and had some one come in wanting to build an over and under in 45/70. I almost agreed, until I remembered that I'd have to shoot it. I passed, saw the guy a few years later, asked about that little cannon, he showed me one, I asked if he'd shot it. He said he had, twice and had a real sheepish look on his face.

[Old Salt]

I'm just a couple of days away from picking up a PM9. Having never shot one, I called a friend who has one so we could talk about it. He said the recoil on his PM9 is very similar to a KelTec P-11!:eek:

I have a P-11 and I consider it a "real pain" to shoot. Half a box of shells and I'm ready to put it down. All of a sudden, I have a garlic necklace and a rosery in my hand, and I'm backing out of the room.

Please give me your opinions of the recoil on the PM9. I have a CW9, and I'm not all that aware of the recoil, so I was assuming that would be the case with the PM9. Do I have a tenious grasp on reality?

I had a P11 and I have a PM9 they are worlds apart. I’m not recoil sensitive but the recoil on the P11 was no fun to shoot. My PM9 feels like half the recoil of the P11 and I feel like I can shoot it all day. First time out with my PM9 and I shot 150 rounds would have shot more but ran out.

[jocko]

ur right old salt. I don't think we give alot of thought or credit into the design of the kahrs. If one would read up on their 7 patents that they hold on their kahrs and how the lower bore axis was achieved by kahr in their offset fet ramp. We might just understand more as to why we paid more for these guns, although I have seen on this forum cw9 going for $320 and that is simply unbelievalbe. I just don't think there is any gun in its class for that money,... Might be some in the price range but not in the "class"..

And the P11 was far more enjoyable than the PF9..

[Willieboy]

Hi Squib. I have a P11 and just bought a PM9. Shot it for the first time today. I'm afraid the PM9 may be a little less comfortable than the P11 becasue its single stack grip is thinner, Therefore, the recoil is absorbed by a smaller portion of your hand.

Having said that though, I didn't find the PM9 to be any more difficult to control than the P11. I fired two hundred rounds today and it was no big deal. I shot the 115 grain Blazer aluminum cases.

Good luck with yours.

[Popeye]

Recoil of a PM9 is about like that of a P11 or PF9.:confused: I must say I sure do not see that comparison. Kind of like comparing the ride quality of a
Jeep to a Lincoln. IMO the KT and the Kahr are two different animals. One at the bottom of the price range and the other at the top. They each have they're place but I sure do not see how you can compare them to one another. Somone posted a pic one time of the two beside each other and just looking at that pic without ever touching either pistol you could see which one had the least amount of recoil just by the pistols design and how far up the KT fits in your hand compared to the Kahr.

[tomwalshco]

I disagree slightly with above. I found the P11 to be noticably snappier. But honestly, if Keltec would improve that trigger some, I'd probably carry it because of the capacity.

[jocko]

bore axis on the KT's is far higher than kahrs. Most all of those little pocket rockets by other companies are . Kahr has a patent on that design. Not sure people really understand this higher or lower bore axis stuff either. It either kicks the hell out of you or it is a nice gun and they need not know why or how that happened..

Godo point popeye, nothing wrong with the kt's they are what they are, . I never try tocoompare one gun maker to another either. They all have their quirks that one can pounce on and hammer if they wantto..

[Slave]

The pm9 kicks like a kitten. I think the recoil is a little too light. Then again, I like to shoot huge crap, bad habit from my military days, the harder it kicks, the louder the better.

Wife is 4'11", all of 100 lbs, excercizes 3 times a week with kettlebells, she has a little trouble with the slide, I hope it loosens up some more, but the recoil to her is near zero, and she only gets tired after 100 rounds or so.