CM9: Who's Going To Wait & Compare?

[Squib]

I passed on a pretty good deal on a new PM9 yesterday; $525 w/shipping. I was agonizing that last few days try to decide if I should wait on the CM9. Obviously, I have decided to wait. Anybody else on the fence with this?

[aray]

Naw, I'm gonna wait for the CM9. Maybe I'm weird but I actually like the look of the CW9: straight, clean, looks like it means business. Plus, who ever needs to adjust their front sights as long as you can move the rear? I don't want the extra larger extended magazine. (The whole point of moving down to a PM9/CM9 over the P9/CW9 is the smaller size.) If I want an extra mag (and I will) I'll get another 6 rounder. Finally, I'm not sure the barrel rifling matters over typical SD distances nor does the make-up of the slide stop lever matter to me.

In total, there is nothing about the PM9 that appeals to me over the CM9, including the price. For others, these things matter. That's the nice thing about Kahr having two models for their customers to chose from. To each his own.

[jocko]

can't see how one can wrong with the cm9. Hopefully kahr will get his out in time to. no reason not to, really not much NEW stuff. Same lower as the PM9, same slide as the PM9 less some extra time consuming machining. Same sights as the cw series, Same barrel quality as the cw series.. This gun will be a winner iMO and I think a really big winner...

[Willieboy]

I bought the PM9. I was unaware at the time a less expensive model was forthcoming. It would not have mattered had I known because I'm way too immature to forgo instant gratification.

[jocko]

I would stillbuy the PM9 but the cm9 is going to be a hot seller.. IMO u did the right thing..

[wyntrout]

If you need a gun now, I would do the same. It might be six months or more before you even see one and I'm sure it will be "retail". When they started shipping the P380, I ordered and paid for one with night sights... took ELEVEN months and guys were ordering and getting them faster than I got mine... for months before.:( But that's all in the past and for now I have enough Kahrs... not that I wouldn't like to have more... P45... and the K45, if they ever make a steel .45. That's what I want... an all-stainless steel K-type .45... with night sights... maybe a DLC one, too, or just get another and have it refinished in a really durable black finish.<sigh>

Wynn:)

[Colt41]

$525 shipped on a new PM9 is a pretty dang good deal. That would've been hard for me to pass up considering the wait and the higher initial prices of the CM9, but it's all a matter of preference and you have to go with your gut.

When it's all said and done, and once prices begin to drop on the CM9, you should be able to save about $170-$180 over the price of the PM, although personally I think you get some really nice features for that extra money.

Specifically, I really like the idea of the polygonal rifling match grade barrel. I"m not sure how much of a performance enhancement can be attributed to the match grade barrel (haven't seen any tests comparing the two) but in a small package that I will be entrusting my life to I look for any advantage in accuracy I can get. From an aesthetics stand point, the additional machining on the front end and upper length of the PM slide really ties the beveled look together in my opinion, (love the little half circle where the slide extends out from the frame) and that rollmark look fantastic. I think the extra cuts give it more of a snarled, aggressive look, if you will. You also get the machined slide stop lever and the driftable sights with the PM9, but I don't think either of those are really that big of a deal.

All this being said, the CM9 is going to be a hot seller and I believe it will be by far the best bang for your buck compact 9mm on the market. All of the features and quality of Kahr will be there and it will make an excellent CCW option. If I had the choice when I bought m PM9 I probably would've still gone with the PM9 but it definitely would've made the decision more difficult and given me something to think about.

[wyntrout]

It will be a nice economical choice, but night sights and more magazines could eat up difference... or a bit of it. :)

It's still a good thing, for sure. I wouldn't mind another .45, either... OR a CM380! Now that would be a competitive move!

Wynn:)

[wyntrout]

Man! I love those Henry Rifle ads! OOPS... I did it again.

Dang! I was just thinking... CM... Cheaper Model?? :D

Wynn:D

[enrico]

Yep I'd like to get a CM9 vs the PM9 because of the cost delta. The differance in features does not effect performance and quality. My problem is that I want a black one for "concealment" and the PM9 in black is more costly.
The only other option is to get a CM9 and get the slide black chrome finished by Robar or Accurate Plating. BUT it's about $80 to do the slide plus $15 for shipping AND then another $65 to replace the front sight and another $40 to have them installed because you need to remove them for plating. NO savings at this point :mad: and more hustles to deal with.
Did anybody read if a black one will be come out at the same time??

O' well, E

[jocko]

My bet is no on black, as so far the cw series has beenout for quite awhile and that is not an option on any cw model. I think kahr is gonna keep that "bell and whistle" on the PM series.

I;'m with you on that though, why not just offer it on any model, charge more andlet the buyer decide.

[Rotorflyr]

If I was in the market for one, personally at $525 shipped (figure $550 with ffl xfer fee) I'd have gone with the PM9, mainly because unless you are willing to wait til the CM has been out for a while, you're going to pay a premium for it.

[enrico]

If I was in the market for one, personally at $525 shipped (figure $550 with ffl xfer fee) I'd have gone with the PM9, mainly because unless you are willing to wait til the CM has been out for a while, you're going to pay a premium for it.

Davidsons is already pricing the CM9 at 20% discount. I don't think a wait is going to be long, it's a PM9 with different barrel rifling that's the basic difference and less machining on the other parts! The dealers will try to offload the PM9 inventory at a higher discount so they do not carry the stagnant inventory and put the money on beter moving items...my thoughts?

[jlottmc]

Enricho, how do you like that FS-2000, and that 357 LCR? you definitely have some money tied up in toys. I would like to play with the FS-2000, and am thinking about the LCR and since I would rather it be a 357 (no .38's in my house), figured I'd ask.

[enrico]

Jolttmc

The FS is like shooting a 22LR min recoil and NOT one jam in over 2500 rounds no BS ( I had an HK 93 befor it and what beast and heavy) I use factory no reloads and you can move around very easy in close quarters with the FS. The LCR is nice I shoot 357 and it's got a kick to it and you'll fill it after 20 rounds, my wife shoots 38 SPL and she loves it, no complains after a box of 50 no regrets on both, thanks for asking, E

[Rotorflyr]

Davidsons is already pricing the CM9 at 20% discount. I don't think a wait is going to be long,

Hard to say, I remember when the P380 hit the market and while you saw "discount/sale" prices advertised with some of the big(ger) dealers, they never seemed to have them in stock, and you couldn't get them without paying a premium locally (or even off of the auction sites like gunbroker etc)

Eventually, the prices settle down (as they always do with new "toys") and given that MrsFlyr has a PM9 already, which I like, (and get to shoot when she let's me)
I may pick up a CM for myself at some point, but am certainly in no rush for one.

I looked at the FS at a show last year, was kinda surprised at the weight, thought it would be (or at least feel) lighter then it was, though I also thought the PS90 felt heavier then it thought it would, but I bet they're a blast to shoot!







And I am aware of the differences, in barrel and machining, not to mention that the CM is supposed to only ship with a single mag :p

[enrico]

Rotoflyr:
I agree we will have some price gouging from the dealers till the dust settles so being patient will pay off and wait for the first wave to pass….. Now Kahr start releasing them CM9 for us to enjoy ASAP and thank you ;)
(The PS90 and FS2000 are deceiving although they look small they still have to package all them parts to make a rifle. They are stout when holding them because they are short and center of gravity is close to you vs holding a “broomstick”, that’s why bullpups are preferred for CQB in many countries…..)

[vnmous1]

A couple of things: First of all it all boils down to whether or not you ever want to upgrade sites. Big Dots are great on PM size guns and with the new one, you're hosed. A spare mag will run you $30.00. It's clear that it's not the same gun albeit the lower is 99% identical, and at the end of the day if you ever want to move it, everyone will know it's the "stripper" version. May shoot just as well and be a good value, but that's only if you think it's perfect as-is and if you want to keep it forever because it'll be worth less on an apples to apples (percentage of list) basis.

And BTW, the 5 bills on the PM was a great price.

bj

[O'Dell]

The Pm doesn't offer me anything over the CM, except the extra mag. I'm waiting.

[Bawanna]

The Pm doesn't offer me anything over the CM, except the extra mag. I'm waiting.

Dad, check your mail.................................

[aray]

The Pm doesn't offer me anything over the CM, except the extra mag. I'm waiting.

I don't even want the extra mag that comes with the PM because it is larger and destroys the whole concept of a tiny gun. I do want an extra mag, just not that one.

[onegun]

A couple of things: First of all it all boils down to whether or not you ever want to upgrade sites. Big Dots are great on PM size guns and with the new one, you're hosed. A spare mag will run you $30.00. It's clear that it's not the same gun albeit the lower is 99% identical, and at the end of the day if you ever want to move it, everyone will know it's the "stripper" version. May shoot just as well and be a good value, but that's only if you think it's perfect as-is and if you want to keep it forever because it'll be worth less on an apples to apples (percentage of list) basis.

And BTW, the 5 bills on the PM was a great price.

bj


I agree. Around here they sell a lot of CWs but there are gobs up for resale. I guess if you want one of everything Kahr makes the CW line is great with it's pricepoint. I only want two or three Kahrs and neither a CW or PM9. I've had the PM9 and I found it to be a superbly accurate, easy shooting handgun. But...it just didn't suit my purposes. I only used it as backup and, to me, it was a little too large for that. If I wanted one of everything I would never have gotten rid of it. And I would have selected the PM9 over the CM9 if they were both available. I never carried the extended magazine but it was great at the range.

[Karla]

I have been looking to move away from my Walther PPK in .32 for every day carry, and the PM9 seems to fit the bill. But then the MK9 Elite comes in (about the same weight as the PPK), and then the CM9, also the SIG P290, and out of no where pops up the Kimber Solo. Yikes this is getting busy! I wonder if anyone at Rohrbaugh has yet to figure out that they left the door open with such a high price point.

[PaiN]

I can wait for the CM9 to pop up around here. Of course, if I see another PM9 going for $450(I like one just did did on the local forums, when I had other things going on and couldn't jump on it :mad:) I wouldn't hesitate to grab the PM.

[enrico]

Ok, so last Sunday I was at the York Gun show (that’s in PA). It was late in the day and the traffic was dwindling, so I stopped by my favorite dealer and got to talk about the CM9 and PM9. To get to the chase he told me that the sales for the PM9 will crawl to a holt because of the CM9. If you put the two next to each other in the glass case why would the “intelligent” buyer get a PM9 over a CM9, let’s see. First he’ll ask me what the difference, I’d say:

--Price of about $200 difference…….nice :)!
--The slide release is made of MIM……so :rolleyes:!
--Side markings are simpler….…okay :rolleyes:!
--Fixed front site, but if you want Trijicon night sights they make them…….good to know ;)!
--Rifling is conventional vs Polygonal ….Hummm, does it make you a better shooter, no it does not, it's tech stuff of some sort :confused:!
--You only get one magazine…… do you sell them. Yes for $35. I’ll take one :D!

So, the buyer says, if that’s the case and NO other parts have been replaced I’ll take the CM9 because it’s a proven platform. Oh, one more thing what about resale between the two. Well it’s hard to compare the two because you have a $200 difference. But a guy will opt for a new CM9 vs a used PM9 for the same price unless the PM9 guy gives it away :eek:.

Kahr wants more sales with a winner PM9, so the CM9 was created :wof: and that's the rest of the story!!

[jocko]

U might be right. the CM9 will sell but the PM9 will still IMO remain their bread and butter gun. Gonna be interesting to see when the CM9 comes out what the PM9 sells for in dealers showcases. I think the price will drop even more, maybe making it worth the difference.

If price is the thing the CM9 will be the go to gun, no doubt. Certainly reliability should be exactly the same. Thats why again I think the CM9 will be a hugh seuccess for itis not a newly designed gun with innovative crapola in it. It is a PM9 without the bells and whistles and we know the PM9 works..

[wvstriper]

Was quoted $435 +tax from my dealer yesterday. I'm putting my CM9 order in Saturday.

[enrico]

Yep. my order is in too for $430 plus tax and background check.... :59:

[jocko]

damn good price..

[Rotorflyr]

Yep. my order is in too for $430 plus tax and background check.... :59:

Your ffl charges for the background check? :confused:

[enrico]

Your ffl charges for the background check? :confused:

It's when they call to check your background to see if you are felon and or a turd :D

[Spyder]

Hi everyone. I've been watching the site for several months trying to decide what to buy. My local dealer suggested the CW9 because it would fit my hand better but my LCR is about the same size as the CW9 and I just can't carry it in my pocket and end up not carrying it in the summer. What good is it at home, right? I was convinced that I wanted the PM9 but couldn't come up with the money. Then I saw the CM9 and after watching the reactions on this site I've put my order in.

I'm fairly new to guns but my step sons are very helpful to this newbe. I may not post often but appreciate this site very much. I also watch the VenturRider.Org site. Thank you all.

[Bawanna]

Hi everyone. I've been watching the site for several months trying to decide what to buy. My local dealer suggested the CW9 because it would fit my hand better but my LCR is about the same size as the CW9 and I just can't carry it in my pocket and end up not carrying it in the summer. What good is it at home, right? I was convinced that I wanted the PM9 but couldn't come up with the money. Then I saw the CM9 and after watching the reactions on this site I've put my order in.

I'm fairly new to guns but my step sons are very helpful to this newbe. I may not post often but appreciate this site very much. I also watch the VenturRider.Org site. Thank you all.

Well we'll all suffer through the wait for your CM9 right along with ya. Waiting is a horrible time for me a person with very little patience.
You just make yourself at home and hang out with us, maybe ease that waiting time some.
You can read owners manuals and parts diagrams right here thru links, lots of members kahr pictures you can drool on to hold you over till you get one to hang on to in person.
You can memorize Jocko's proper prep of your new Kahr word for word and theres a nifty lube diagram thread close to that also in the tech section.
If you memorize the proper prep verbatim, we'll share the kahrtalk secret handshake and password long before the usual 500 post mark. An maybe even a hat if I can get one.