CW9 5 lb stiker spring

[MW surveyor]

OK, in the trigger job thread the question was asked "Does the 5 pound striker spring make that much of a difference in trigger pull?"

This was never really answered (as far as I can tell by going through the thread again).:behindsofa:

So, does the 5 pound spring make that much of a difference?

Went to the Wolff site and noted that their 5 pound striker springs fit ALL Kahrs. True/false?

[Bawanna]

Jocko I believe is quite fond of them. I was considering one for my PM45.

I can only hazard a wild guess but I believe fitting all Kahrs could be feasible. Can't be very much difference. Wait for confirmation on that though. Will make it easier for me if they are all the same.

[MW surveyor]

Man you're fast!

Yes, if they are all the same, makes for a whole lot less spare springs to keep around.

[jocko]

it will fit all kahrs except the P380 and it will not produce light strikes what so ever. It drops right in and the trigger travel of 3/8" does not channge. It to me is a very nice mod change and upsets virtually nothing.

[Bawanna]

Ok, I'm sold. MW Surveyor, why don't you order a couple keep one for yourself and send me the other one. Then we can compare notes?

[jocko]

I would probably have to fly up and over to your man cave and help u install it or u will probably fokk it up.

Just a tip bawanna, the spring can go in either end, BUT BUT NOT SIDEWAYS!!!

[Bawanna]

I would probably have to fly up and over to your man cave and help u install it or u will probably fokk it up.

Just a tip bawanna, the spring can go in either end, BUT BUT NOT SIDEWAYS!!!

Its a spring? Either end but not sideways. I'm writing this down. Do I need to count coils to see if it's the new style or the old style? Cut it until the slide locks back on that little dealy heimer that sticks out the side?

[MW surveyor]

Bawanna

Deal. I'm gonna go with three so I'll send you one. (I've got your address) Probably order tomorrow as I really like to talk to a "real" person. Also will order a 5% extra power mag spring for the 7 and 8 round mags.

jocko - I have printed out the take down guide for the slide. Hope taking it apart is easier than the instructions indicate. Pretty good with taking apart, its the getting it back together that worries me. Guess that when I get it back together, I'll have to load up a primered case to see if I got it right! Also, I guess the spring goes in the hole?

[jocko]

wellur not taking the entire slide down either, just slipping off that back plate so the striker can be pulled out and the spring just reinserted. It is a no brainer.

Definitely get a 3 pak of the 5% extra power mag springs.I really think they are great in making sure that follower after the last round is shout picks up that slide stop lever. certainly helps feeding to. I wish they made them 10% instead of 5% but we take what we can get..

[MW surveyor]

Yea, that's what I figured. I always liked no brainers.

Haven't had any problems with my mag springs and hold open yet but I like to make an order worth while (plus save on shipping costs). Too bad that they don't make recoil springs and guide rods for the CW9. Maybe if I can hold out, they'll start.

[Bawanna]

"Bawanna

Deal. I'm gonna go with three so I'll send you one. (I've got your address) Probably order tomorrow as I really like to talk to a "real" person. Also will order a 5% extra power mag spring for the 7 and 8 round mags."



Hey MW, I was half way tugging your leg. Actually it's not a bad idea though to make the shipping and order count if you let me pay my way.

If you follow that guide and make ya the little coat hanger deal install is a walk in the park, even I have been deeply inside the slide of my PM45. I was there before I fired the first round. You might want to take a look at stuff while your in there too.
Even a bawanna can do it. At least he did it once.
I'd like to see them start making recoil springs for the PM45 but I'm far from needing one at this point.

There will come a day when I'll order up some for several of the shooters.

[MW surveyor]

Nah, don't worry about it. Everyone needs to build up some karma. So when they come in I'll send you one.

Probably do a little polishing while I've got it apart. Can't hurt.

[jocko]

heh, surv: when u send that spring to the GREATONE. paint that sucker PINK!!

[MW surveyor]

Shhhh, we'll keep this our secret.

[MW surveyor]

Ok, so I ordered the springs this morning and the real person said that they should have them out in a week.

Hope they get here sometime next week as I will be going out of the US at the end of the month for about 18 days......So Bawanna, if you don't get the spring sometime before the end of the month, I din't forget. Just means that I did not get them before I had to leave.

[Bawanna]

Roger that.

[jocko]

surv: I mailed u some PINK paint in case u don't have any!!

[Bawanna]

I tried to book an airplane flight to Indiana, I didn't know they didn't allow aerosol in carry on baggage. Who knew. Guess I'll have to take the train.

Wonder what a Screamin Eagle looks like pink. (All Pink) Hot I bet.

[jocko]

u wouldn't get 100 yards close to my bike and the alarms would go off. Yes it can detect "chairs in motion". Try it BIG GUY. Bring some help!!! I have two killer "yorkies"
one with no teeth ( a mountain type dog for ky) and the other from tennessee area with only 2 teeth. Trust me they don''t like westerners at all..

[Bawanna]

Uncle, Uncle, I give up. Didn't realize you had highly trained killer yorkies. I apologize for any bad things I've said about you in the past and all the bad things I'll say about you in the future.

Truth be told I'm a transplanted southerner from Missouri, thats Missouri, not misery. I'm told you can still see the claw marks across the front porch of the house where they drug me to the car to haul me out here to the rain forest.
They're perfectly parallel but not quite as deep as my dads claw marks from when the Marine corp drafted his backside.

So maybe the yorkies could sense that and only severely mall me and not kill me? Maybe ?

[MW surveyor]

jocko - I'll be on the lookout.

[jlottmc]

Jocko if we get to bring hardware into this, then I'm your huckleberry. I'll raise you two viscous yorkies, and raise you a spoiled wiener dog. She has enough heart for 100 yorkies. Then during the snack time, I'll get in close with the paint.

[Bawanna]

Jocko if we get to bring hardware into this, then I'm your huckleberry. I'll raise you two viscous yorkies, and raise you a spoiled wiener dog. She has enough heart for 100 yorkies. Then during the snack time, I'll get in close with the paint.

I'll send the paint, I'm out of this one. My Beagle don't have a prayer.

[jlottmc]

Besides I know where there's a stray cat or four. Distraction is a good tool, and no I don't play fair.

[MW surveyor]

Got an email yesterday that the springs have been sent. So, Friday arrival maybe? Already have an addressed envelope ready to go for you Bawanna.

Have taken the slide down and reassembled a few times, also polished the internals. The "tool" works great but boy that extractor spring was tough depressing it the first time.

[Bawanna]

Got an email yesterday that the springs have been sent. So, Friday arrival maybe? Already have an addressed envelope ready to go for you Bawanna.

Have taken the slide down and reassembled a few times, also polished the internals. The "tool" works great but boy that extractor spring was tough depressing it the first time.

Cool!. I only took mine apart once. Guess I'll see how it goes a second time. Once you see what it looks like and do it once it's not tough.
I suspect it's been long enough that I'll have to relearn a few steps.

[mr surveyor]

so, how much "felt" reduction in trigger pull with the 5# springs? Very noticable amount? And no sacrifice with reliability?

[jocko]

30,000 rounds out of my PM9 withthe 5# striker spring and never one issue, nadda, zero, yanta,k nothing.

[Bawanna]

so, how much "felt" reduction in trigger pull with the 5# springs? Very noticable amount? And no sacrifice with reliability?

I'll give you my opinion on the "Felt" reduction next week some time when I get one in there. I'll be sure to work the trigger alot before hand so I got a baseline to compare too.

[MW surveyor]

not sure yet as "its in the mail". If it gets here by Saturday, I'll put it in. If not, it'll be another two or three weeks!

Bawanna - I'll try and get the wife to send one off to you as planned just in case they come in after I leave for Mexico.

Right now, just taking out the spring and putting back together takes a whole two minutes. (if you have all your tools together!)

[jocko]

I'll give you my opinion on the "Felt" reduction next week some time when I get one in there. I'll be sure to work the trigger alot before hand so I got a baseline to compare too.

if u have a trigger gauge, measure ur existing trigger and then after you insert the new spring and work it a few dozen times to get a set, measure it and you will get a percentage reduction. "felt" recoil is in the eyes of the beholder. If you can see in the poundage figures a percentage of reduction, menbtally u will have to feel it is helping. Kahrs factory triggers anyway are awesome..:banplease:

[Bawanna]

jhave a trigger gauge, measure ur existing trigger and then after you insert the new spring andf work it a few dozen times to get a set, measure it and yhou willget a percentage reduction. "felt" recoil is in the eyes of tghe beholder. If you can seed in the poundage figures a percentage of reduction,l menbtally u willhave to feel it is helping. OKahrs factory triggers anyway are awesome..:banplease:

Excellent idea, that must be why you get the big bucks. I do have access to a trigger gauge and I will do precisely as you suggest. I'll measure before and after.
As you say, the trigger on my PM45 is so smooth I really didn't even feel the need for the 5# spring but I felt I just have to give it a try.
I'll post the pull weight findings when this all comes together.

[jocko]

I have seen some reports of owners saying their factory trigger weighed in at 5.5#. I find that hard to believe as kahrs factory trigger comes in at around 7 7.5# , buyt I am sure after a few hundred rounds that a set , sets in and it drops but down toe 5.%3 is one heh of a set. You might find yhourkahr triggernow to be 6# easily, but the 5# striker will take a set to. I have never measured mine in ages. I cold care less now, it works and that is all that matters..

[jlottmc]

Do you use dead weights to measure or one of those new fangled thingies? I always found dead weights to be more precise.

[Bawanna]

Do you use dead weights to measure or one of those new fangled thingies? I always found dead weights to be more precise.

All I got is the new fangled thingy. I can't attest to how accurate it is but it seems to be very consistant if you have a trigger that is consistant that is. I've encountered several around here that vary in pull weight from pull to pull.

My Cbob incidently is one of the most consistant trigger pulls I've ever encountered. I don't recall now the exact weight, between 4 1/2 and 5, wouldn't want it any lighter for a carry gun and its factory unmessed with so Ayoob would be pleased.
But the same pull every single time.

I don't recall ever even seeing a dead weight measure, must be a challenge to operate. Course the new fangled thingy has buttons and bells that must be pleased like a computer before it will bless you with results.

[jlottmc]

Dead weights are just a set of weights that increase by an ounce or two and a rod to hold them. Nothing fancy, no bells no whistles just a set of weights and a C-shaped rod to connect everything. A lot of the tupperware guns have triggers that vary. The 1911 is usually pretty consistent, but as I said dead weights have been around for a long time.

[Bawanna]

Ok ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls I got the shiney new striker spring from our very own MW Surveyor not to be confuses with my other good surveyor buddy Mr. Surveyor who sometimes is invisible.

I just now went out and applied the trigger pull gauge to my PM45 with about 500 rounds thru it. I found that it's not terribly consistent a pull no matter how careful I try to apply the pull gauge. I got readings down to 5# and up to 5.11. Nothing higher. According to the pull gauge average feature it averages about 5# 9oz.
I removed the factory striker spring and installed the new 5# spring. (it was amazingly easy) I've only done it once before but it was a piece of cake. Didn't lose any springs or parts, utilized the patented bent coat hanger magic tool and it was a 2 minute deal.
As a side note the striker and channel were pristine. No debri, clean and sparkly. Only used Jocko's cleanout hole since new so it apparently works well.
After installing the new spring and cycling about 20 times the trigger felt (and this has to be relative) much lighter and smoother. Noticeable.
After 20 cycles I applied the trigger gauge trying to duplicate the same method as closely as possible. Again not consistant. With readings from 4#13oz to a high of 5.8 so the average at around 5# 2oz's.
The pull weight really isn't that much different 4 or 5 oz's on average which is huge in some circumstances but not so much here I think. The weight might also drop down a bit more as the spring takes it's set.
BUT for some reason it does feel noticeably lighter and perhaps smoother. I'm perplexed why that is so but I'm tickled with the results whatever caused it. I'll shoot this thing some and take a measurement again when I find time.

Also I noted the new spring was just under an 1/8" longer than the original, about what I expected after the original took it's set. I imagine in a few days or a week they will probably be the same in length.

[jocko]

normally kahr striker springs from factory are over 7to7.5#. evidently yours has taken one heh of a set, or could it possably have had in it the 5# striker spring?? Youre 5# Will take some mre pre set also..

[MW surveyor]

Thanks Bawanna. Also noted that the new spring was about 1/8" longer than the old.

A little back ground. Got back into Houston on last Saturday night. Installed the new 5 lb. striker spring on Sunday morning. Stripped the slide completely as per the stickey and didn't loose any of the other springs. Polished up everything using mother's mag polish and it actually went back together. If anybody else does this, make and use the "tool", way easier to disassemble and reassemble. :D Functioned tested with the trigger, striker and ejection system found to be operational. Been snap capping for a few nights to set the spring and get used to the new trigger pull.

As you all know, the Kahr has a smooth trigger pull and there is no difference with the reduced power striker spring. Same smooth pull. It is hard to tell though about the weight reduction but I'm also used to shooting my SP101 DA and the CW9 was way better than the SP101 anyway in that department. With Bawanna's report above, I'll have to belive that the pull is reduced by at least those few ozs.

Real life has been interfering with my "quality time and happy place at the range". Hope to get out today with Willieboy this afternoon to test full function of the CW9 using factory range fodder, my reloads and SD ammo. I'll let you guys know how it goes. (Also will try to remember the camera in case we run ito more ankles.)

[jocko]

I would have expected the new sprign to be a tad longer and that is becuase it has not taken its designed pre set. It will settle back down also and it should be more than 3 or 4 ounces different also. hARD TO FIGURE WHAT BAWANNA ORIGINAS SPRING REALLY WAS. kAHR WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY PUT IN 7 7.5# STRIKER SPIRNGS, i WOULD THINIK THEY WOULD NOT BE FIBBING ABOUT THAT

One will notice a difference in the 5# striker spring, no matter what spring came out of his gun. That to me is a nice cheap, easy change to. That upsets nothing in the gun either, and NO you won't get light strikes with it either..

[MW surveyor]

jocko

While the spring might be 7 or 7.5 lb, the actual pull weight should be less due to the cam action of the trigger group.

I think that after running a few hundred rounds, the real reduction in trigger pull will be realized.

[Bawanna]

It could be that my gun somehow left with a 5# spring also. I'm curious to see what it feels like and measures at a ways down the road.

The old spring was totally acceptable but the new feels to me anyhow even better.

The Kahr is semi difficult to get an accurate trigger weight on with the movement of the trigger and stuff also versus a straight pull like a 1911.
I tried to keep the scale on the same point of the trigger each time so the leverage etc would be the same.

I like it alot whatever it is.

[jocko]

and ur right on the actual tirgger weight. My trigger gauge, although a cheapie has alot of fluctuation in it. If u play with it long enough it will give any reading your after.

IMO there has to be a "felt" difference in the two springs..

[MW surveyor]

OK, OK, OK.....There is a felt difference for me. Just not sure how much. Have always liked the trigger pull anyway. Going to the range in the next few minutes. Will post report when I get back!

[MW surveyor]

Just back from the range after shooting another 250 rounds from the CW9.

First off - No real ankles to speak of today. But two nice older ladies. Let them and one of the women's son shoot my little P22. All of them liked that little gun. I had to warn them however, that the little bstrd was ammo picky as the son said he'd like to get one.

Second - The reduced power stiker spring worked flawlessly. Good indentation on all of the primers, SD, FMJ target rounds and my reloads with CCI and Federal primers. Just about had to relearn how to shoot the gun after not shooting it for about a month. Trigger pull is definately reduced and it got better the more times it was shot. Towards the end, I was able to keep the majority of the rounds in a 4" spread, with a lot of rounds grouping less than 3". This was a 7 yards.

Third - I really su*k with this gun at 15 yards. Need to start practicing at this distance. Also will have to use reactive targets (Dirty Bird or other) as it is hard for me to see those smaller holes at this distance. So, something to look forward to.

Fourth - Willieboy came a little late to the range but I stuck around just to see his new K9. Nice gun. He even let me shoot it :). Real nice shooter. Like the weight of it and I'm sure that Bill will chime in later.

Fifth - I shoot my reloads way better than the factory stuff. Gives you a good feeling that something that you made works better than the stuff you buy.

Sixth (and last) - Started picking up 45 auto rounds. Got about 300 of those. This may not be a good sign as I thought I had banished the thought of another caliber round to shoot. Also, since I don't have a 45............yet. (I'll bet I'd be able to see the holes at 15 yards though ;) )

Well, sorry for the long post but it was a good day all around.

[jocko]

#3, don't feel bad at 15 yards all is safe, except the backstop. Many kahr shooters suck at 15 yards. I never shoot at that distance anymore. fokking tears in my eyes realy blurr things up after one magazine. I shot the last time at that distance and a fokking robin fell dead 15 yards from the target. right through the heart though".

[Bawanna]

Dang! No ankles.:(:(:(

My crystal ball shows a 45 in your future. A little unclear on what it will be but thru the haze it looks kind of 1911ish. Wait, theres a secondary image that looks more Smith M&P ish, perhaps XD.

I'll let the haze settle and see if its more clear.

[Bawanna]

#3, don't feel bad at 15 yards all is safe, except the backstop. Many kahr shooters suck at 15 yards. I never shoot at that distance anymore. fokking tears in my eyes realy blurr things up after one magazine. I shot the last time at that distance and a fokking robin fell dead 15 yards from the target. right through the heart though".

Wondered where the heck he's been lately.



Batman

[MW surveyor]

^^^Good ones the both of you!^^^ Dead Robin/Batman ROFLMAO

Yea, Bill says he is going to ask for a partial refund on the range fee.

1911 most likely either full size or officers(?) Probably original flavor. I've got enough short barell pistols.

BTW - I think that the trigger pull has stablized after the snap capping and the 250 rounds. Try the gauge out after you send a few rounds down range Bawanna.

[jocko]

surv: but first the GREATONE needs to buy a trigger gauge that is half way close. His weighs in ton's not ounces. He just doesn't know how to break that down. U knowsome match involved there!!!

[Bawanna]

surv: but first the GREATONE needs to buy a trigger gauge that is half way close. His weighs in ton's not ounces. He just doesn't know how to break that down. U knowsome match involved there!!!

How true this is. At least it's match and not spelin.

How many ounces in a ton anyhow?

[jocko]

u do the match!!! wise ass!!!!

[Bawanna]

u do the match!!! wise ass!!!!

oOOOH and another long range salvo fired towards the NW from the Indiana missile silos!:D

Everyone to the storm cellars! INCOMING.:80:

[MW surveyor]

OK, as far as ounces to the ton, would that be short tons, long tons, metric tons, tonnes, tuns. Gotta know which one to start with.

Hay foniks wrks donit?