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TheTman
03-25-2011, 08:48 PM
I was helping a friend decide on a new pistol, and he thinks the CW40 is the one for him.
I let him check out my CW40, he's been wanting a .40 caliber pistol to add to his collection, and really to a shine to my CW40. I let him dry fire it several times, and he even got to liking the trigger. We didn't have time to hit the range today, but we'll probably go sometime next week. He's 6'3", 250lbs or so, and the CW40 just disappeared on him when he tried it on.
This will probably end up with a CW9 or CM9 too for his wife, and another CW for his son who should be getting his carry permit some time soon.
I this comes to pass, I think I should get something for helping sell 3 pistols. Yeah right, LOL
He currently is carrying a Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry II, or whatever they call their officer sized 1911 with the laser grips. I personally think he has no business carrying cocked and locked with his medical problems. He's had a broken back from back in his fireman days when a floor collapsed under him, and a broken neck from a fall at another job. He's in quite a bit of pain from his spinal column injuries, the surgery to fix his neck was botched horribly leaving him in tremdous pain. He takes quite a bit of pain medicine, as little as possible when he goes out, but enough that I think he needs a more forgiving pistol than a 1911 type gun. He does feel the need to be armed, as one good punch to his chin could either kill him or paralyze him, and he wants to be able to avoid confrontations, escape at gun point if need be. He doesn't cause trouble, but for some reason people like to start crap with big guys like him.
He is going to get the trigger pull on the Kimber adjusted heavier if possible, it's about 4-5 pounds now, He wants it more up to 7-8lbs to help avoid a negligent discharge. Of course he knows not to put his finger on the trigger until he's going to shoot, but I'm afraid of what might happen in a confrontation, for instance something like he has a bad guy held at gun point, waiting for cops, and maybe some bystander does something to startle my friend and his gun goes off when he didn't intend it too.
That's why I love my Kahr, it's not going to go bang unless I want it too. I think a Kahr would make my friend a much better carry piece than the Kimber. Some might argue he shouldn't be carrying at all, but I can see his point of wanting to be able to defend himself from a punch in the jaw. He's not very mobile, can't run and would have a hard time escaping a jerk determined to punch him one. We've been out and about quite a bit, and you can't tell he is on anything, he just takes enough medicine to take the edge off the pain.
I have checked the laws about carrying while being medicated, and if you are taking things as prescribed, and are not high, then it's perfectly legal to carry here. I am worried about him ending up in a civil court case where I'm sure they'd make a huge deal out of it. I just pray that none of us, (Kahrtalk members included) ever have to draw our weapon.

toolman
03-26-2011, 07:11 AM
I could fill in for your freind same size same carry weapon b4 kahr (kimber)
got the cw40 because of the trigger pull luv the way it shoots yes its got a little snap but I like that I myself am 6ft 3 in 250 ok ok 260 hopefully he enjoys the cw40 as much as I do great carry gun nice thin light and goes bang every time ya pull the trigger .

my current mission is the cw45 really like the 45 round Ive put about 900 rnds thru my 40 cal and I do believe kahr makes a quality product and am willing to spend my money on another ( made in the U.S.A) kahr

and ye sthe cw40 fit in my paws perfect best of luck to your freind

Bill K
03-26-2011, 07:46 AM
For SD carry I much prefer trigger actions like that of Kahr and Kel-Tec over DA/SA or SA. I don't want a manual safety (i.e. thumb safety) on my carry guns though I can appreciate why others feel they must have a manual safety.

I'll add my prayer to yours and include every good citizen who carries. From experience I can tell you that even if you prevail physically unscathed from a SD encounter you can be injured emotionally, socially and financially.

Bill K.

apheod
03-26-2011, 08:18 AM
aren't opiate painkillers considered controlled substances? being in possession of any firearm while under the influence of a controlled substance (regarded of how ridiculous our drug laws are) is criminal posession of a firearm, at least in kansas.

i dont think there is (in the eyes of the law... again however ridiculous, they make the rules and throw us in prison for breaking them) any difference between carrying with 1mg of a controlled substance in your system or 500mg.

i'm not positive about this, but i thought i read someplace a while back that if you were under the .08% BAC threshold to make you DUI, that you could also possess a firearm?

apheod
03-26-2011, 08:25 AM
next thing you know they'll be disarming cigarette smokers and coffee drinkers. we can't have those maniacs walking around with firearms.

.45fan
03-26-2011, 10:53 AM
thetmanski,
Are you aware it takes more actions to make his Kimber fire then a Kahr CW9?

Why would you think a .45 that has multiple safeties is dangerous, and a 9mm with nothing more then a long trigger as a safety device is safe?
I am not looking for a fight, just an explanation because that makes no sense to me.

jocko
03-26-2011, 11:12 AM
maybe the kahr PM9 with the manual safety and the looooong trigger would be a better choice for him. Ihave no issues with one wanting a maqnual safety on their guns. This is not a fast draw world and I never heard of anyoner getting shot because he couldn't get his safety off . Certainly if one is alittle timid of a kahr without any safety except the loooooong trigger, then that PM9 that is Mass. complaint is the way to go.

I am not fond of the loaded round indicator and all that printing on top of the mass complaint kahrs but I have been told this writings on the slide was part of being Mass complaint, Ho9w jkuch truth to that I don't know. I just feel that a Manufacture would not want all that verbage on a slide if not mandated. But that being said had kahr offered the PM9 back 4 years+ ago, with a manual safety, I probably would have bought it. I do think the kahrs are a safe gun IF??? I know somewillsafety that safety hgas to start first betweenb ones ears and that is so so true. You can't teach stupidity!!!

TheTman
03-26-2011, 12:29 PM
Apheod, I believe the law is interpreted as unlawful to possess a gun if under the influence of illegal narcotics. His medicine is prescribed by a doctor and taken as prescribed. He was able to get his CC permit in that condition. His CC instructor indicated he was within the law. He passed the background check. I asked my CC instructor about it and he said as long as taken as prescribed, should be no problem.
He takes meds to control pain, not to get high. He'd love to be able to get off that ***** but his pain level is a constant 7 to 9, on the 1 to 10 scale, from that botched surgery, and he can't stand the pain without the meds.
And there is also the difference between being an addict, and medically dependent.
Same thing basically, but one is legal, the other is not.

.45Fan: Only reason I consider the Kimber unsafe in CERTAIN PEOPLE'S hands is because of the very light SA trigger pull on his particular gun. I wouldn't carry something with that light of a trigger at my age and after what 18 months of chemotherapy has done to my mind and body. I'm much more comfortable with that long trigger pull on my Kahr that gives me some "wriggle room". 20 years ago, the Kimber would been great for either of us, but after the things we have been thru, I think the trigger is too light FOR US and could lead to a negligent discharge in certain scenarios. Just my opinion on things for the two of us. I'd love to be confident enough to go cocked and locked with a nice officer sized 1911, but I'm not anymore. Sometimes I turn my head and my arm jerks, same thing happens to him only worse. Mines from cervical stenosis (bone spurs in the neck), his from a broken neck, is that arm jerk enough to cause a 1911 with a light trigger to fire? I'm afraid it could. At the same time, I don't think it would cause a Kahr to fire. I'm thinking which gun is safer for a couple of old crippled up guys to pack. And thinking about the scenario I described in my first post, about having a bad guy held at gun point waiting on cops. Should you have your finger on the trigger? I'm not sure, I think it would depend on the situation. Is the guy 3 feet from you or across a room?
I hope I've explained my point of view without being combative.
Basically, yes, the 1911 is a damn safe weapon in the right hands. But not our hands. We cool .45Fan?

Jocko, I think the PM9 might be too small for his big mitts. Plus he really wants a .40 to add to his collection. I agree that would be a good choice for him. Maybe they will add the Mass. compliant features to one of the .40's one of these days.

.45fan
03-26-2011, 10:36 PM
.45Fan: Only reason I consider the Kimber unsafe in CERTAIN PEOPLE'S hands is because of the very light SA trigger pull on his particular gun. I wouldn't carry something with that light of a trigger at my age and after what 18 months of chemotherapy has done to my mind and body. I'm much more comfortable with that long trigger pull on my Kahr that gives me some "wriggle room". 20 years ago, the Kimber would been great for either of us, but after the things we have been thru, I think the trigger is too light FOR US and could lead to a negligent discharge in certain scenarios. Just my opinion on things for the two of us. I'd love to be confident enough to go cocked and locked with a nice officer sized 1911, but I'm not anymore. Sometimes I turn my head and my arm jerks, same thing happens to him only worse. Mines from cervical stenosis (bone spurs in the neck), his from a broken neck, is that arm jerk enough to cause a 1911 with a light trigger to fire? I'm afraid it could. At the same time, I don't think it would cause a Kahr to fire. I'm thinking which gun is safer for a couple of old crippled up guys to pack. And thinking about the scenario I described in my first post, about having a bad guy held at gun point waiting on cops. Should you have your finger on the trigger? I'm not sure, I think it would depend on the situation. Is the guy 3 feet from you or across a room?
I hope I've explained my point of view without being combative.
Basically, yes, the 1911 is a damn safe weapon in the right hands. But not our hands. We cool .45Fan?



Yes Sir we are cool.
I have an understanding of your thoughts now, that is all I was looking for.