K9 Yikes! I'm back from the polymer world.

[Willieboy]

After using polymer framed guns for years, I picked up a new K9 a few minutes ago. Quite a difference in weight when compared to the PM9. I bet it will be a joy to shoot. I like the slightly longer grip... it's so comfortable. I can see this gun as a primary carry gun and the PM9 as a backup piece. I'll put some pics up in the picture thread soon but for now, I have to pay a visit to Jocko's new gun prep thread.

[jocko]

If u don't like/love the K9, then you need some serious theraphy!!!!! There is nothing in its class IMO.

[Bawanna]

I think it has something to do with our roots. Somewhere between the caveman and his club and Wyatt Earp and his revolver (steel & walnut) man acquired a "Love Connection" with cold steel and wood. That's the way it was meant to be.
Then along came Mattel and the AR squirrel rifle and well, the rest is history.

Tupperware does surely pack nice and I reckon if it had to it could seal in the freshness.

Some say I was born a 100 years too late, others are sorry I was ever born at all. My apologies to both for my mommas actions or lack thereof.

[jocko]

but when it comes time for me to pick the gun for my personal everyday carry it is indeed my PM9, any day, every day...

If looks was everything, my wife would have never married me BUT.I am the K9 in this family, durable, able to slide down pavement for 50 yards, and still get up and to be willing to say Wow that was fun, lets do it again!!!

It's all about perspective!!!

[Bawanna]

I think 1 or maybe 2 slides at the most would be more than enough to put me back in a bucket seat inside a car of some sort.

Your one tough cookie thats for sure. They could use you for Timex or Patek commercials. "Takes a lickin and keeps on tickin"

Ok, lets just hang around and wait for a comment from Dietrich on this one.

I'm still waiting........................................... ....Oh Scarlet, where art though?

[Willieboy]

I prefer dak/dao for all of my pistols.


I've seen "dak" in reference to Sig pistols but fon't know what it means. Help please?

Jocko, believe me when I tell you, I need therapy whether I like the K9 or not.

[JohnR]

After using polymer framed guns for years, I picked up a new K9 a few minutes ago. Quite a difference in weight when compared to the PM9. I bet it will be a joy to shoot. I like the slightly longer grip... it's so comfortable. I can see this gun as a primary carry gun and the PM9 as a backup piece. I'll put some pics up in the picture thread soon but for now, I have to pay a visit to Jocko's new gun prep thread.
Amen, brother! I had 4 polymer guns before the K9 and feel just the same as you. You are gonna love how it shoots!

[REACT]

I've seen "dak" in reference to Sig pistols but fon't know what it means. Help please?

Congrats on the K9. I love mine.

DAK Version

SIG released an altered version of the double-action only (DAO) pistols called the DAK (for Double Action Kellerman, after the designer of the system). The DAK capability is available in 220, 226, 229 and 239 models. When firing the pistol the first trigger pull is 6.5 lbf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound-force) (compared to 10 pounds for the standard DAO). After the pistol fires and the trigger is released forward, the trigger has an intermediate reset point that is approximately halfway to the trigger at rest position. The trigger pull from this intermediate reset point is 8.5 lbf (38 N). If the trigger is released all the way forward, this will engage the primary trigger reset and have a trigger pull of 6.5 lbf (29 N). To engage the intermediate reset, the trigger must be held to the rear while the slide is cycled, either manually or by the recoil of a round being fired.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer_P226#P229

Developed by the renowned engineers at Sauer for the SIG SAUER pistols, the new DAK trigger system delivers a safe, reliable and consistent 6.5 pound double-action only trigger pull. The DAK also features double-strike capability. SIG SAUER DAK pistols also disassemble without the need to pull the trigger - simply lock the slide back and remove the magazine to disassemble like other SIG pistols. The DAK is also available in the P220®, P226® and P239® models.
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p229-dak.aspx

[Willieboy]

Thanks for the great explanation React. If I understand correctly, to get the lighter trigger pull, one must pull thr trigger through the full cycle. If that's correct, it sounds like the opposite of what other guns do. At least my Glock seems to have a lighter trigger weight if cycled from the reset point.

[REACT]

Bill,

When it comes to SIGs, I'm just a cut and paste kind of guy. I've never owned one, but I have been curious about their DAK trigger too so I tired to find the answer.

The way I read the Wikipedia reference is that the intermediate pull rate is two pounds higher than the full pull. So yes, the lighter pull comes from pulling the trigger through its full cycle like you said and it seems that the shooter is penalized if they only release the trigger to its reset point. Odd.

But it does have a double strike feature meaning that the shooter does not have to rack the slide to pull the trigger a second time if the round fails to fire. However, IMO that's bad since it adds another unnecessary step to the tap, rack, bang mindset.

Someone must have liked it though...Department Of Homeland Security Chooses SIG's DAK (http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/sig070606/index.html)

[jocko]

from what I have read and just over heard from shooters. If you get a failure to fire, get that round out of the gun ..

[MW surveyor]

Congrats on the new gun Bill. Where did you get it from?

Now you've got to break in another! LOL.

[Willieboy]

You're right, I do have another to break in. I got both my Kahrs at 10 Ring Guns on Jones Road. As I told you when we got together, I bought the PM9 on a whim because I got a good report from the doctor. I just felt so relieved I just decided I needed a new gun. I didn't shop around, just popped in at 10 Ring and bought the gun.

With the K9, I called Carter's Country thinking that, as big as they are, they might have a good price. Wrong! They were much more expensive on the PM9 price. That is, had I bought the PM9 at Carter's Country, it would have been about $60 higher. So, I went back to 10 Ring for the K9 too. It was $29 higher than the PM9 for the SS model at 10 Ring.

I decided that if I want to have a gun store so close to the house, I better give them some business.

In both cases, I had the gun the day after placing the order.

[onegun]

Bill,

When it comes to SIGs, I'm just a cut and paste kind of guy. I've never owned one, but I have been curious about their DAK trigger too so I tired to find the answer.

The way I read the Wikipedia reference is that the intermediate pull rate is two pounds higher than the full pull. So yes, the lighter pull comes from pulling the trigger through its full cycle like you said and it seems that the shooter is penalized if they only release the trigger to its reset point. Odd.

But it does have a double strike feature meaning that the shooter does not have to rack the slide to pull the trigger a second time if the round fails to fire. However, IMO that's bad since it adds another unnecessary step to the tap, rack, bang mindset.

Someone must have liked it though...Department Of Homeland Security Chooses SIG's DAK (http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/sig070606/index.html)


I've used the DAK system since SIG came out with it. It's a great DAO trigger that, to me, is slightly better felling than the Kahr trigger. Being hammer fired if you have a failure to fire you can just pull the trigger again from that heavier point. Frankly there is very little difference in feel between the two trigger pull points. If you are accustomed to the Kahr trigger you will probably like the SIG DAK. It is a long DA trigger with the hammer partially cocked from the slide movement where the Kahr striker is partially cocked from the previous round.

I have carried SIGs on and off the job for many years and have never had a ftf or other hiccup. I do not use cheap troublesome ammo tho'. I don't have that success rate with my polymer Kahrs, although my K9 is still trouble free. Some others have had problems with SIGs, as with any handgun. Usually it is attributed to the ammo or cleaning, I am meticulous about the cleaning and lubrication of mine. SIGs like lube and I grease the slides. They seem to like that. The beauty of the Kahr is that they are smaller and feel great in the hand. The closest SIG to a K9 is the P239 and it just never felt as good as the Kahr, although it shot just as well. For a medium to full size pistol I like the SIGs - for a compact the K9 excels.

Many SIG users could not transition from the DA/SA mode to the DAK mode so DAK is still primarily used by law enforcement and concealed carry people.

[MW surveyor]

Bill

Haven't bought a gun at 10 Ring but use them mainly for the reloading supplies. Did buy a holster for the CW9 there also.

The only time I'd ever buy a gun at Carter's is if the gun was on sale and it would have to be way less than any other store in Houston!

Good luck on breaking the new gun in. The weight and size will most probably be a benefit in shooting accurately.

Probably will go to the range on Tuesday the 12th of April, if I don't have too much other work to get up to date with.