Leather Holster Caused AD - IMPORTANT READ

[OldLincoln]

No kidding, I freaked at reading the linked article. It tells the story well complete with pics as if being investigated. Please read even if you don't use leather as you can let some who do know what to look for. Also, now that I know I'll look for the signs even if I don't evangelize the issue (like I did my ladder incident).

The source site is something called "Its Tactical" (http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/firearms/safety-warning-worn-leather-holsters-can-cause-accidental-discharges/).

Please read it but the jist is a leather holster getting soft and folding over when buckling up in the car. The fold went into the trigger guard and when he straightened up from latching his seat belt the gun discharged.

[wyntrout]

Dang! His hip didn't look "just nicked and nothing a band aid wouldn't cover". That holster was really worn, too. Wynn:)

[GadsdenGalt]

The lessons to be learned include:

Do not use a crappy holster. The outer leather of this wonderful Galco seems far flimsier than the inner. The holster probably spent a lot of time empty and the flimsy leather collapsed repeatedly until it formed a crease like a baseball glove.
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0901/glock-holsters-demotivational-poster-1232490761.jpg


Always pay attention when holstering your weapon. Always.

If the first two are challenging, trade your Glock for an XD or a slingshot.

[OldLincoln]

Can you imagine how many times he came close before that last time? Wonder if he knew the holster was worn out and flimsy but told himself he'd replace it soon so kept using it. Kind sounds like a ladder I once knew that has now died and gone wherever naughty ladders go. He'll replace it with a high quality holster and wonder why he didn't do that a long time ago. Sigh...... Is shooting yourself in the *** worse than a concussion? Sure coulda been. We both are lucky to be alive.

[GadsdenGalt]

Can you imagine how many times he came close before that last time? Wonder if he knew the holster was worn out and flimsy but told himself he'd replace it soon so kept using it. Kind sounds like a ladder I once knew that has now died and gone wherever naughty ladders go. He'll replace it with a high quality holster and wonder why he didn't do that a long time ago. Sigh...... Is shooting yourself in the *** worse than a concussion? Sure coulda been. We both are lucky to be alive.

I do not think ladders can be compared to holsters. I have a uh a friend who never ever forgets the responsibility required to safely carry a firearm. He owns what some may call too many very nice holsters. This same brilliant, handsome devil did once notice there was damage to fiberglass ladder he was using. Well he thought it would be ok for just one more piece of siding. He was wrong. There were no injuries that day but the ladder was dismembered and is currently being used to help rosie odonells mom reach the cookies on top of the refrigerator in ladder hell.

[OldLincoln]

I agree nobody would try to climb a holster or put their gun in a ladder, but using something that you know is worn out and can harm you is similar if it be a holster or a ladder. I recently paid the price for my ladder as did that "brilliant, handsome devil" "friend" of yours. That guys holster looks so worn and creased that he had to know it wasn't right. Otherwise he needs more than his hip examined.

My point is don't get so familiar with your equipment that you ignore it's condition because that can come back to bite you in the ...hip - or head.

[GadsdenGalt]

I agree nobody would try to climb a holster or put their gun in a ladder, but using something that you know is worn out and can harm you is similar if it be a holster or a ladder. I recently paid the price for my ladder as did that "brilliant, handsome devil" "friend" of yours. That guys holster looks so worn and creased that he had to know it wasn't right. Otherwise he needs more than his hip examined.

My point is don't get so familiar with your equipment that you ignore it's condition because that can come back to bite you in the ...hip - or head.

The internet poorly conveys wiseassery. I understood your point and agree. I just refused to accept that my friends ladder incident featured somewhat similar poor decision making. I just bought the new Ladder Safety and You VHS tape. It looks good.

http://www.barnorama.com/wp-content/galleries/03/pfail/06.jpg

[Pender1]

if I had a holster that was that worn out I think I'd retire it. He should have paid a little more attention to his carry setup IMO.

[gb6491]

Is it me or does that gal's butt make her Glock look big?

[O'Dell]

I nearly always use leather holsters. I guess I learned two things from the story:

1. Buy a rather thick, stiff leather holster [which I do]

2. Never buy a Glock. [which I don't]

[OldLincoln]

Is it me or does that gal's butt make her Glock look big?
Yeah, must be that new Glock .50.

[Fedor]

I nearly always use leather holsters. I guess I learned two things from the story:

1. Buy a rather thick, stiff leather holster [which I do]

2. Never buy a Glock. [which I don't]

Dont blame the Glock.

No Glock has ever gone off by itself.

[OldLincoln]

Agree the Glock isn't to blame. If it were a Kahr in that holster getting it's trigger pulled as the Glock did, I have no doubt it would have gone bang too.

If he had gone to the hospital and reported he was shot the police would have to be notified and then it hits the press. Just think what would the media say if they got their hands on this story.... "Radical Conservative Gun Nut Tea Party Racist Activist Shot by An Assault Glock!"; "Reverend" Wright would preach about his chicken coming home to roost for having a gun; Jessie would threaten to boycott if he didn't "contribute" $10,000; He would get added to the "no-fly list". Heck he might even get invited to the White House for a beer.

[bonjorno2]

I saw this on one of my other forums too, this guy knew his holster had issues and he paid the price.... looks nothing like any of the stiff leather holsters i own!

"I can’t say I didn’t know the crease had been formed in the holster. I trained myself to be sure that when holstering, to make sure the gun was fully in the holster, with the trigger protected. On this day, did I forget to do that when I holstered up? Did the leather finally get so soft that a combination of body movements and interference by the cushy leather seat move the Glock enough to create a situation where the trigger was engaged by the holster?"

[AFVet]

This was posted at Glock Talk too. The guy who posted it was trying to blame it on the Glock. :2rolleyes:

However, one look at that holster tells a different tale. Even if it weren't old and worn it doesn't look like it fully covers the trigger so it was an accident waiting to happen.

[OldLincoln]

My perception is that the holster would cover the trigger if fully inserted. He may have initially done that and his moving around to fasten his seat belt let it slip out, or not.

I have a small inkling that he could have put the gun in up to where the leather squeezed into the trigger guard and he thought it was fully inserted. There's a lot of possibilities. I do have some confidence that it hurts like the dickens and he won't repeat this one again.

[bonjorno2]

no issues with any of my glocks and i would say negligent instead of accident.

[ltxi]

Can you imagine how many times he came close before that last time? Wonder if he knew the holster was worn out and flimsy but told himself he'd replace it soon so kept using it. Kind sounds like a ladder I once knew that has now died and gone wherever naughty ladders go. He'll replace it with a high quality holster and wonder why he didn't do that a long time ago. Sigh...... Is shooting yourself in the *** worse than a concussion? Sure coulda been. We both are lucky to be alive.

Galco JAK leather isn't flimsy. I can't really imagine letting one get into that condition without noticing.

[bonjorno2]

yeah he said he noticed.... check my quote above

[slowpoke]

Is it me or does that gal's butt make her Glock look big?
I was thinkin her butt made the glock look big.
This needs further investigation. :D

[O'Dell]

Dont blame the Glock.

No Glock has ever gone off by itself.

Sorry, but they don't fit me and I don't shoot them well, so I don't care for them. I prefer SIGS, HK's and S&W generally, and of course, I have had very good luck with Kahrs. My son is the Glock fan in the family.

[ltxi]

yeah he said he noticed.... check my quote above

Yeah, you're right. He did.

Not noticing is negligent. Using it anyway is just plain stupid. Or vice versa.

Either way, he probably ought to sue Galco for damages.

[MikeyKahr]

Yeah, you're right. He did.

Not noticing is negligent. Using it anyway is just plain stupid. Or vice versa.

Either way, he probably ought to sue Galco for damages.

In my "dream" world, I wish Galco could sue the idiot instead for giving Galco a bad name.

[bonjorno2]

Yeah, you're right. He did.

Not noticing is negligent. Using it anyway is just plain stupid. Or vice versa.

Either way, he probably ought to sue Galco for damages.

that's what I was saying, i can't believe he was like F it i'll just make sure I am extra careful when i holster it. He won't get a penny from them because he was in the wrong IMO.

[tconroy]

In my "dream" world, I wish Galco could sue the idiot instead for giving Galco a bad name.
+1000!! The guy is an idiot. I bet if he owned a motorcycle he would still have a helmet from the 80's. Some things you MUST change every couple of years. He needs a fobus paddle holster. Next time he might not be so lucky.

[OldLincoln]

I agree and am waiting for a "Notice of Filing" from the American Association of Aluminum Ladders for my climbing on a derelict ladder when it failed me. Knowing it's bad and doing it anyway is far from intelligent.

[Bawanna]

Wow, what an idea, we could hit a triple scam.

Stand on top of a derelict decrepit ladder, with a boiling hot cup of coffee with your gun in a worn out soft as a baby blanket holster.

Let it all crash, spill hot coffee on yourself, shoot yourself in the ******** and maybe twist your ankle or something.

Then line up the bottom feeders. We'll sue the coffee maker (coffee too hot), the holster manufacture (not safe), the gun makers (we'll make this 4, not 3, for unsafe) and finally the ladder mfg for an unsafe 50 year old ladder that was left out in the corn crib for the last 39 years up to the 3rd rung in mud.

Hmmm, pick a number, this could be huge............................................

[ltxi]

Wow, what an idea, we could hit a triple scam.

Stand on top of a derelict decrepit ladder, with a boiling hot cup of coffee with your gun in a worn out soft as a baby blanket holster.

Let it all crash, spill hot coffee on yourself, shoot yourself in the ******** and maybe twist your ankle or something.

Then line up the bottom feeders. We'll sue the coffee maker (coffee too hot), the holster manufacture (not safe), the gun makers (we'll make this 4, not 3, for unsafe) and finally the ladder mfg for an unsafe 50 year old ladder that was left out in the corn crib for the last 39 years up to the 3rd rung in mud.

Hmmm, pick a number, this could be huge............................................

There ya' go, Bawanna.....I think you're really onto something here. If we work this right we could parlay a minimal second degree burn, a simple leg or arm fracture, and a bullet hole through a shoe that just grazes a toe into more money than Paris Hilton had even before..whatever. Count me in. I'm even volunteering to be the vicitim. PM me and we can work out the details.

[Bawanna]

Can't believe it didn't allow gluteous maximous. It's anatomy, not foul language.
I think we better find a way to hide the money otherwise people will be trying to trick us out of it. Probably need a few wheelbarrows to haul it around in too.

Finally get financial security and we'll be laying awake worrying about somebody stealing our loot.

Better let me shoot myself in the foot, wouldn't hurt nothing, probably wouldn't even feel it. Course don't let them know that, I used to be a tap dancer and a ballerina until their defective weapon shot me in the foot for no reason.

[getsome]

I love some of the safety warnings on new ladders...Do not use in a moving vehicle...Dang I was going to use my new chainsaw while up on a ladder in the back of my pickup to cut limbs going by at about 30 mph saving huge amounts of time moving the ladder manually....Do not use ladder on an ice covered surface...Well I guess that means I won't be cleaning out the gutters during the next ice storm....Do not use near or lean the ladder onto high voltage electrical lines....Well why not???... That 480 volt line is right in the absolute best spot to put my ladder against so I can watch my smokin hot neighbor lady in the shower....See I told you it's perfectly saf ZZZZ:eek:ZZZZZZ:eek:ZZZZZZZ:eek:

[jlottmc]

That 480 hurts like hell, not as bad as 277, but it hurts. I'm getting to the point now where I really try to avoid voltage. I got knocked off a ladder a few months ago, changing a ballast that was 277, and wasn't careful enough. I arced to the ceiling grid and my wedding ring touched that, so off I went. I think I was more embarrassed than hurt, but still.

[johnh]

Hey if the safety warning does not say "do not carry a gun and drink coffee while climbing the ladder", Bawanna's idea might still work. I bet the ladder company lawyer never thought of that one. :D

[Lobo_79]

Is it me or does that gal's butt make her Glock look big?

What Glock?