Wolff Spring Upgrade

[joe d]

Anyone use this on their PM9 ? Is it necessary? I put the heavier 13lb set on my LCP and I like it...Just wondering how necessary on a Kahr...

[Thunder71]

Interested in this too for the same reason as the OP.

[Bawanna]

Kahr uses Wolffe springs during manufacture so you probably don't need it unless your at the 12 to 1500 round mark and feel the need to put in a new spring.

You can buy springs directly from Kahr or Wolffe. Both will be the same if you order factory weight.

[Thunder71]

$8 vs $20 though, if you don't need the whole assembly. ???

[Bawanna]

$8 vs $20 though, if you don't need the whole assembly. ???

True, forgot to mention that. Kahr used to sell just the outer spring as well but no longer does so apparently.

You'll seldom if ever have to replace the whole assembly. Replacing the outer spring is all you really need.

[Thunder71]

Ahh, good to know!

Thanks

[MikeyKahr]

There is one more thing to remember. If you're going to order the recoil springs from Wolfe (www.gunsprings.com (http://www.gunsprings.com)), make sure that you have the older blunt style PM9 and not the newer tapered style PM9. Wolfe only sells the older style PM9 springs as of now. Check Kahr's website for an explanation between the two if needed (http://www.kahr.com/Parts/Kahr-PM9.asp)

[Bawanna]

Good point nephew. I thought I'd heard that the spring still worked ok but I may not be remembering that right. Would have to go back and research that.

[jocko]

mtb. I read that to and that just cannot be. Now no doubt the PM9 blunt nose spring will work in the beveled sldes but not the recoil spring in the beveled slides will work in the blunt nose pM9. Members here have proven that. My thoughts are that wolffs doesn't even know for sure about this new slide length, even thougg they told a fellow poster it would work, I would not take that as gospel, for then why would kahr have two different length outter springs for the PM9, and they are both made by wolffs. and we all know to that many times people inside kahr tell us a bunchy of crapola to .

I would not put wolffs pm9 spring that they sell now in the new beveled PM9 slides. that is just me. The wolffs springs they offer now are for the blunt nose PM9 and PM40 slides and IMO that spring is shortrer than the new style being used in the beveled PM9 and PM40 sloides. which by kahrs count is 15 coils vs 13 coils...

I wouldn't do it that is for sure.. course I have the blunt nose pM9 andIc an buy allthe recoils springs I want from wolffs and they fit perfect..

travel at ur own risk..

[Sublimeon24s]

I just ordered the +5% magazine spring and the 20.5lb recoil spring set for my PM9 that im having some issues with hoping these might help. My PM9 is a VD serial number which i believe sets it back to 2007 or 2008'ish. I assume that is the older model and im safe with what i ordered right?

[eklipto101]

Is the large spring on the recoil assembly on the PM9 removable? cause on mine is not. I have the new style which is the longer one.And if it does come out how do I go about getting it off.
Help is appreciated.

[eklipto101]

I've tried and I'm afraid it will stretch the spring out of wack, if it supposed to come out maybe using a screw driver or a knife to help prying it off, It just don't want to come off without a fight and it shoots so well I don't want to fudge it up.
Thanks for the help thoughhttp://kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon14.gif:confused:

[jocko]

I just ordered the +5% magazine spring and the 20.5lb recoil spring set for my PM9 that im having some issues with hoping these might help. My PM9 is a VD serial number which i believe sets it back to 2007 or 2008'ish. I assume that is the older model and im safe with what i ordered right?

ur ok, what are ur issues???

[Bawanna]

I've tried and I'm afraid it will stretch the spring out of wack, if it supposed to come out maybe using a screw driver or a knife to help prying it off, It just don't want to come off without a fight and it shoots so well I don't want to fudge it up.
Thanks for the help thoughhttp://kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon14.gif:confused:

Try twisting it. If you twist counter clockwise (I think) it will sort of unwind itself. Once it pops loose from where it hits the flange it should slide or twist off without difficulty.
If its running without issue, your right, leave it, but when you feel the need or the desire to take it off, sometimes a little grease or oil on the rod is good, show that spring whose boss. It will submit under the proper authority.

[eklipto101]

Bawana, thanks for the responce,I just tried to turn it as you said, it wont budge, the reason for wanting to take it off is "was" so that I can wipe it off when cleaning, but if you guys don't think is a need, I'll work around it.
BTW sir, you are the salt of this world at least this forum, enjoy and appreciate the help of all you "master" in here, Jocko can be kind of ruff but the truth shall set you free and strenthen the back bone...:blah: :o

[OldLincoln]

Is the large spring on the recoil assembly on the PM9 removable? cause on mine is not. I have the new style which is the longer one.And if it does come out how do I go about getting it off.
Help is appreciated.
Turn it while removing. Try both directions as one makes it tighter. Mine fits the same way and the tightness seems to be at the end, so work on it there.

[Bawanna]

Bawana, thanks for the responce,I just tried to turn it as you said, it wont budge, the reason for wanting to take it off is "was" so that I can wipe it off when cleaning, but if you guys don't think is a need, I'll work around it.
BTW sir, you are the salt of this world at least this forum, enjoy and appreciate the help of all you "master" in here, Jocko can be kind of ruff but the truth shall set you free and strenthen the back bone...:blah: :o

You might take a small screwdriver where the spring contacts the flange and give a little pry right there. You should be able to take that spring off for cleaning. Old Lincoln is right too, try both directions on the twist, I might be off in my counter clockwise idea. It doesn't want to turn for you at all?

Thanks for the kind words, I don't fall into the "master" category but there are many here that certainly do. Calling Jocko ruff is probably about the nicest thing anyone has ever said about him but he's a good guy. His bark is much larger than his bite. I only have rumors to gauge this by but I think he's a marshmellow inside. Course if I wake up with a horse head next to me I'll know I'm way off the mark on this one.

Its now a personal challenge to get that spring off so lets focus and get r dun.

[eklipto101]

I tried and it won't budge, thank though, when the time come to replace it then "it" will come off or else I'll purchase the whole thing.

[eklipto101]

You my friend is one funny guy...and about Jocko there is just no b/s in about it, he's just straight up. I will not give him my address, I don't want to hear the rumble of a Harley out side.

[Bawanna]

You my friend is one funny guy...and about Jocko there is just no b/s in about it, he's just straight up. I will not give him my address, I don't want to hear the rumble of a Harley out side.

He already has your address. Jocko knows stuff. You see those fed guys talking into their wrist? He has one of those. When the CIA needs info on people, guess what? They call Mr. Straight up.

If you hear the rumble of a Harley, it's too late my friend. Maybe have him remove that spring while he's there.

You able to post pictures? Why don't you post a pic of your recoil assembly. We are gonna get that spring off if I have to car pool with Jocko.

[jocko]

just spray that outter assembly with some cleaner and then I use Remington dry lube to spray my recoil assembly. No dripping or anything. Old lincoln is right, it is probably the last coil that is locking up, this can happen in the spring making process. It should hurt nadda either and I would think that if it went on it should come off and turning in the dfirection of the coil tip, I would think would tend to widen the coils and not reduce them such as to tighten. If you don't have a spare spirng, ,, u don't want to get that spring ouot of whack either, . If it ain't broke, don't fix it..

FACT: THE SHORTEST DISTANCE BETWEEN TWO OBJECTS IS A STRAIGHT LINE

Damn, I just love these bars!!!

[eklipto101]

Thanks guy's I may give it a try later after the PM & CM will digest a couple of boxes, they seem to have a healthy appetite and they are like Mikie, they eat everything although I refuse to feed that russia crap, I will not patronice those SOB when the people here make better stuff and keeps them employed, one dollar difference ain't all that...sorry for the rant, Jocko don't like the illegals, same here BTW, but I detest Commies alot worse....Damn all of that out the spring that does not want to come out??? got to go take some meds.

[MikeyKahr]

...they seem to have a healthy appetite and they are like Mikie, they eat everything...

Hey, I resemble that remark!! :yell: eklipto, my spring gave me great difficulty to get off too the first time on my PM9. My entire gun was tighter than the gubmint's noose around our country's neck. If no success with jocko's suggestion, I suggest using some science to your advantage. Try a little (emphasis on LITTLE) heat expansion of the spring to get it to loosen up some for removal. Don't go melting or burning it, just get that spring to the very end and warm the spring up (only the spring, not the whole end of the assembly) and the spring will heat expand a lil' bit and that should give it the space to get off fine and dandy. Don't worry, it will cool down and go back down in size - we're not talking about an inch or expansion or anything. You may need to do the same trick to get it back on, but it's a lot easier to just heat up the spring (and not the assembly) when the spring is off. And I'm willing to car pool and pick up jocko on the way over, not sure I want to risk jocko's safety with a crazy Canadian-Swede driving a convertible Mustang over a recoil spring (sorry auntie).

[eklipto101]

Hey, I resemble that remark!! :yell: eklipto, my spring gave me great difficulty to get off too the first time on my PM9. My entire gun was tighter than the gubmint's noose around our country's neck. If no success with jocko's suggestion, I suggest using some science to your advantage. Try a little (emphasis on LITTLE) heat expansion of the spring to get it to loosen up some for removal. Don't go melting or burning it, just get that spring to the very end and warm the spring up (only the spring, not the whole end of the assembly) and the spring will heat expand a lil' bit and that should give it the space to get off fine and dandy. Don't worry, it will cool down and go back down in size - we're not talking about an inch or expansion or anything. You may need to do the same trick to get it back on, but it's a lot easier to just heat up the spring (and not the assembly) when the spring is off. And I'm willing to car pool and pick up jocko on the way over, not sure I want to risk jocko's safety with a crazy Canadian-Swede driving a convertible Mustang over a recoil spring (sorry auntie).
Hey, I resemble that remark!! :yell:

Sorry, no ill intention Mikey, it was a commercial of old.