CM9/PM9 vs. G26/G27...do I need a CM9?

[KelevGadohl]

Currently I carry a Glock G27 as my primary legal CCW with my Ruger LCP filling the gap when I need to carry something smaller. Question is, do I need a CM9 for carry on the days when the G27 is too big? Could someone with a G26/26 and CM/PM9 post a photo of the pistols side by side to show how much smaller the CM9 is in width. If the CM9 is much narrower, then I think I may be justified in getting one. I'd need to sell something else to buy a CM9 so I want to be sure I 'need' it before I take the jump.

Another consideration is that I ride bicycle quite a bit and I carry the LCP in my back jersey pocket. If some psycho decides that this is the day he is going to run me down, provided the situation allows me to bring my sidearm to bear (like he wants to savor the moment), I have little hope that my .380 would punch through a windshield to save my life. The G27 is too heavy for that location where as the CM9 may give me a third more viable option.

[crazymailman]

Maybe this will help.http://www.mouseguns.com/loschart/9mmv9mm/kahrpm9glock26comparison1.jpg

[vwkismet]

I love that guy's charts (he posts them a lot at either TheFiringLine.com or TheHighRoad.org), but I wish he did the width comparison better. There is no need for both the top and bottom picture - they are essentially the same and all of the data could be presented in a single picture. Having width pictures would be a lot better than just the gray boxes in the middle.

For me, the width difference is huge. But, that takes into account both the concealability and the size of the grip, which I don't like with my small hands.

[kahrseye]

I own both a G27 and a PM9 (same size as a CM9). If you buy the CM9 I predict it'll be your #1 carry gun. So lite and easy to carry you'll be hooked in no time.

[crazymailman]

Yeah, you're right. A width comparison would be better on those two especially.

[KelevGadohl]

Maybe this will help.http://www.mouseguns.com/loschart/9mmv9mm/kahrpm9glock26comparison1.jpg

That is excellent info! (from everyone) I think I'll work on obtaining the funds and then do a side by side at a gunshop.

Lower weight and width should help for everything except during the times that I need really small and light for my CCW.

Anyone have a pocket holster with a lower profile than the Nemesis? On my LCP the holster (in comparison) adds a fair bit of depth to the overall width measurement. Some type of skeleton pocket holster that would not add to the overall width would benefit the LCP, CM9 and G27.

In concealed carry, every little bit helps.

[PattayaPistol]

Hey Kelev Gadohl (Big Dog?),

I tried to leave this to somebody here with photographic skills, but as nobody was chiming in, here's a couple of pics of the Glock 26 beside the PM9.

http://img189.imageshack.us/i/dsc00763nf.jpg/http://http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/5300/dsc00764h.jpg



http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9148/dsc00763nf.jpg


http://img862.imageshack.us/i/dsc00764h.jpg/

Cheers
PP

[KelevGadohl]

I tried to leave this to somebody here with photographic skills, but as nobody was chiming in, here's a couple of pics of the Glock 26 beside the PM9.

Cheers
PP

Thanks PP

I've tried lightened up your images a bit to see the differences a little better.

[PattayaPistol]

Cheers Big Dog,

I will work on my photography skills, though to be honest, I have little interest so I don't expect much improvement. I can just rely on you other guys to try to get something from my pics.

PP

[HighSpeedBail]

Hey Kelev Gadohl (Big Dog?),

I tried to leave this to somebody here with photographic skills, but as nobody was chiming in, here's a couple of pics of the Glock 26 beside the PM9.

http://img189.imageshack.us/i/dsc00763nf.jpg/http://http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/5300/dsc00764h.jpg



http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9148/dsc00763nf.jpg


http://img862.imageshack.us/i/dsc00764h.jpg/

Cheers
PP


Thanks PP

I've tried lightened up your images a bit to see the differences a little better.



Thanks Guys! Good looking out. Now that I see them together, I understand better why I never enjoyed shooting Glocks. It just doesn't fit my hands right.

Ken

[PattayaPistol]

Thanks Guys! Good looking out. Now that I see them together, I understand better why I never enjoyed shooting Glocks. It just doesn't fit my hands right.

Ken

Ken,

For me the Glock is way easier to shoot accurately but I also find that the grip is very uncomfortable. Just a couple of mags and I am ready to move to another gun. The PM9 with the same ammo seems to be a lot softer shooting.

KelevGadohl,

I love the LCP, but find the PM9 easier to shoot. For pocket carry, very little beats the LCP. The PM9 does pocket carry easily for me living in Thailand and wearing baggy shorts day and night.

Cheers
PP

[KelevGadohl]

Cheers Big Dog,

I will work on my photography skills, though to be honest, I have little interest so I don't expect much improvement. I can just rely on you other guys to try to get something from my pics.

PP

Thanks again for the photos PP.

And yes, "Big Dog" it is. In respect for my best friend and four legged son who's photo is in my avitar and who went to be back to be with God last year. A gentle spirit, keen intellect, family protector and a heart of Gold.

[PattayaPistol]

Big Dog,

Sorry for your loss of your best friend and 4 legged son. We have 2 dogs in the house which are part of our family. We also sadly lost 2 puppies over the past 6 weeks, so I feel your loss.

Cheers
PP

[KelevGadohl]

Big Dog,

Sorry for your loss of your best friend and 4 legged son. We have 2 dogs in the house which are part of our family. We also sadly lost 2 puppies over the past 6 weeks, so I feel your loss.

Cheers
PP

PP sorry to hear about the loss of your puppies. When I was growing up we had a kennel, and it was always very sad when we lost any of the puppies.

We had two dogs in the house as well, Sam 11 and Abi 7....we lost both in 2010. A Very Bad, Bad year for Goldens. We have a 2 year old daughter to keep us busy and she is starting to point at Golden puppies like she would want one....so it may not be too long until she has a new four legged friend, playmate and protector.

Cheers

[Bill K]

Hi,

I recently bought a PM9 to fit between my carry P3AT (Nemesis pocket holster, almost always) and Glock 26 (AIWB, almost always). I find that the PM9 will pocket carry nicely in all but a few of my front pants pockets and this is with testing using my Glock 26 Nemesis holster.

The Nemesis which is fine for my skinny .380 adds two much thickness to the PM9 and Glock 26 (I've only pocket carried the 26 in Cargo pants and hunting gear pants pockets). I knew that I would need a thinner holster to more effectively pocket the PM9. I have an Alabama pocket holster on order and am waiting delivery. I suspect that the PM9 will wind up being carried more than either my P3AT and Glock 26 combined.

Here is a pic of the holster I have on order...

http://www.alabamaholster.com/modules/gallery/albums/front_pocket/img/101205055550_pocket.jpg

Take care,
Bill K.

[pmspaul]

Kelev,

Here's a few more pics in case they help. FYI, this is a G27 & CM9. I also have a P380. For pocket carry I personally will only use the P380 or CM9 (as soon as I've finished breaking it in). Either fits nicely in my jeans, khaki or cargo shorts pockets. As you can see, I've got mad photo skills :D. My opinion, it's not so much in the slide area where the Kahr is noticeably smaller, it's where on the Glock the frame swells outward below the slide to accommodate the double stack mag. My measurements of the width taken at the mag-well have the G27 1/4" wider than the CM9. Hope this helps.

-Paul

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss154/pmspaul/Guns/DSCN0327.jpg

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss154/pmspaul/Guns/FSCN0322.jpg


http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss154/pmspaul/Guns/DSCN0317.jpg

[Bill K]

pmspaul,

Your photo skills may be "mad" put the pictures you posted do serve nicely to illustrate the size differences between the two guns.

Bill K.

[Willieboy]

Another consideration is that I ride bicycle quite a bit and I carry the LCP in my back jersey pocket. If some psycho decides that this is the day he is going to run me down, provided the situation allows me to bring my sidearm to bear (like he wants to savor the moment), I have little hope that my .380 would punch through a windshield to save my life. The G27 is too heavy for that location where as the CM9 may give me a third more viable option.

A friend of my son's rides a motorcycle and when some fool decides to crowd him from behind, the rider just starts flipping batteries over his shoulder. No more tailgating.

[Ardbeg]

If you go half way down this thread over at Sigforum, user Sigmund posted a pick of these guns all side-by-side and then lined up width-wise: 642, LCP, PM9, PPS/9, & G-26 It really is a great comparison of smaller-framed guns. (This is from my review of the CM9 on that forum.

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/5150072842?r=5700085842#5700085842

[KelevGadohl]

Kelev,

Here's a few more pics in case they help. FYI, this is a G27 & CM9. I also have a P380. For pocket carry I personally will only use the P380 or CM9 (as soon as I've finished breaking it in). Either fits nicely in my jeans, khaki or cargo shorts pockets. As you can see, I've got mad photo skills :D. My opinion, it's not so much in the slide area where the Kahr is noticeably smaller, it's where on the Glock the frame swells outward below the slide to accommodate the double stack mag. My measurements of the width taken at the mag-well have the G27 1/4" wider than the CM9. Hope this helps.

-Paul



http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss154/pmspaul/Guns/FSCN0322.jpg




There is quite a diff. in width.

Thanks for the photos

[KelevGadohl]

If you go half way down this thread over at Sigforum, user Sigmund posted a pick of these guns all side-by-side and then lined up width-wise: 642, LCP, PM9, PPS/9, & G-26 It really is a great comparison of smaller-framed guns. (This is from my review of the CM9 on that forum.

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/5150072842?r=5700085842#5700085842

Great review and photos!

I'm making a list of odds and ends I can sell to raise funds for a CM9.

Was going to sell a 1938 K31 Walnut stocked, but I think I'll look elsewhere first.

[PattayaPistol]

There is quite a diff. in width.



The strange thing for me is that even with the smaller, narrower grip of the PM9, I can still shoot much more with it than the G26. After a few mags of the G26 more poor old arthritic hands are pretty beat up. I can happily shoot the PM9 all day (well slight exaggeration). YMMV

And as for carry ability, no comparison.

Cheers
PP

[KelevGadohl]

Ken,

...The PM9 does pocket carry easily for me living in Thailand and wearing baggy shorts day and night.

Cheers
PP

I wear cargo shorts made by Columbia almost exclusively during the summer months. My English mother-in-law comment once how I wear 'those' American style shorts all of the time. She was a bit taken a back when I told her it was so I could carry my CCW all of the time. These shorts are made where the pocket material is of the same heavy cotton material as the exterior of the shorts. This gives considerably more support for pocket carry than typical pocket material. I bought about eight different colored ones so they would last me a few years.

Just today I took my two year old daughter to Burger King for some french fries. My LCP was in my pocket and my G27 was in a waist pack (screams I've got a gun (or a real geek (in 2011 PA)) when worn around the waist) for easier access while seated. Before we headed in, I swapped pistols so that I had my .40 with me. More power and better accuracy and I slipped my G23 13rd magazine in my jacket. Well today seemed like they were running a special on suspicious characters with every value meal. There was the couple who live in their car who look like poster children for child kidnappers and pedophiles that I've seen before and had struck up a conversation concerning my daughter. There was also a gent who looked like their first cousin that was inappropriately argumentative with the helpful counter attendant. I don't know what real threat these people posed but if I had to stop someone from harming my little one, then the .40 sure would be a better option than my little .380ACP. I'll do what I can to carry my G27 as much as I can until I get a CM9.

[AJChenMPH]

Not sure how much more help they can be, but here are my PM9 and G26 together:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ajchenmph/Personal/IMG_0643.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ajchenmph/Personal/IMG_0644.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ajchenmph/Personal/IMG_0645.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ajchenmph/Personal/IMG_0646.jpg

The PM9 has more or less become my primary carry weapon just because it's thinner and much more easily concealed than my G26, but I like the fact that I can carry the G26 fairly well concealed with the 10-round mag and then also carry the 17-round G17 mag as a reload. When I'm not as worried about concealment, then I carry the G26 (not to mention that the recoil is a bit softer for me with the G26 vs. the PM9).

[jlottmc]

Let me answer for you like this. Is there ever a bad reason to get a new gun?

[Native]

Some of these pictures offer a good contrast between the two. The real difference is feel though. I have a PM9 and a Glock 33. I almost always carry the 33 but for things like the gym or anyplace I can't dress around the 33 the PM9 goes with me. For me there is a huge difference in comfort and conceal-ability, but at a loss of "firepower". If I'm not wearing a belt or can't wear an ankle holster the 33 is pretty heavy. The PM9 in a F.I.S.T can ride along whatever I wear.

[PCollen]

I love that guy's charts (he posts them a lot at either TheFiringLine.com or TheHighRoad.org), but I wish he did the width comparison better. There is no need for both the top and bottom picture - they are essentially the same and all of the data could be presented in a single picture. Having width pictures would be a lot better than just the gray boxes in the middle.

For me, the width difference is huge. But, that takes into account both the concealability and the size of the grip, which I don't like with my small hands.

Those charts are works of art, and I admire the guys ability. But I agree that there is no need for the lower picture, and the middle picture describing width would be better if it showed the two guns side-by-side from the rear; as is, it makes no sense.