PM9 needs to "run wet"?

[CPO15]

Following a thread on another forum started by a guy that's getting rid of his PM9 due to too many issues for him.......one issue is his perception that the gun needs too much maintenance, hates the field strip process and the gun "needs to run wet".

Did I miss this in the Kahr Prep instructions? Mine (all 4 of my Kahrs) seem to do just fine with Glock-type lubrication, although I do use a little grease on the rails during the break-in period.....

[jlottmc]

Nah, dude just has his panties in a wad. I run my guns a little wet, but that's just me. I also use Tetra Gun Grease where appropriate, and haven't had a problem one. I wouldn't worry about that knucklehead.

[jocko]

don't know who the fella is but best he let a good shooter have his PM9. I tend to disagree thar kahrs need to run wet, or for that matter any different than a glock of Smith M& P, two guns I am aqcquainted with. U can run a kahr wet and it will run and run, but for me with 24/7 pocket carry I don't want any fluids in the bottom of my desantis or uncle mikes. U can run a line of gun grease right inside the rails of a kahr and basicaly u have lubed the gun. I tend to do more but IMO not needed.
Lugbing asu all know is a personal thing, we each like our own methods and if your methods works great for you, indeed stick with it. I am convinced that damn near any lube will work in a gun, some might be better thqan others to a nth degfree but all lubes will work good. A totally dry kahr will run alot longer than u want to spend ammo for to get it to hang up but yuou don't run your guns that way so why try or test out

I don'think you can over lube a new gun either for gbreak in time and just basically rounds down range but I think one can cut back alot once he has found he right defense ammo and is now ready to put the gun in a carry/defense mode instead of a range type mode.

I know if my brother and I intend to go shooting, I will with my K9 tend to over lube it more than I wold with it normally just sitting in the vanity drawer waiting for that first shot to happen.

Can u over lube, well really u can over lube in the wrong places and u can even under lube in the wrong places and get issues. One has to know his gun and how it operates. We are told and I am a believe that a dry striker channel is a good striker channel. We are told that a oiled extractor channel is a good extractor channel.

ur to kind jlottmc to call him a knucklead, that it also what we named a pretty good harley engine a few years back, pre EVO...

[tomwalshco]

Glockster. Dirty and dry. Easy.

[jlottmc]

I know jocko, I know. I wouldn't mind finding a 36 in that very configuration.

[jocko]

I know where there is a 41 with 56 miles on it and still in the original dealer family, They put in their city museum on loan, absolutely mint. can u imagine miles and never titled. He stillhas toe certificate of origin....They didn't make but a fesw thousand that year due to the war efforts.

[O'Dell]

I tend to run my Kahr's and SIG's a bit wet - HK's, S&W's and Springfields not so much. Since I've never had a failure in any of the brands mentioned, I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing.

[Native]

I know the "word on the street" is to run Kahrs wet (and clean). But right now I have a PM9 poking my Iliac crest that is somewhere around 300 rounds downrange since it's last love. I keep trying to make it fumble but it won't. Call me superstitious or stupid, but I'm good with it going bang every time. I'm going to clean it when my new one is broken in but till then I'm confident in any situation that doesn't call for my glocks, AR or 870. Your results may vary.

[jocko]

I wouldnot consider 300 rounds in ur kahr to be excessive without cleaning in between.. Ur certainly right there. If someone would rovde me witht he ammo I would should my PM9 until it malfuctioned without cleaning it, I have no idea when it would stop either and I won't guess. Mine is scary smooth. But having said that, it is my personal carry defense maybe life saving gun and I just don't want to pocket my PM9 knowing that Ihave not cleaned in it after hundreds of rounds down range. I being retired certainly hav eno excuse for not having a clean and lubed gun ready to go.

I am not sure putting agun throught a shoot until jam thing is an indication of a bad gun either. If my glock 19 goes 23000 roundfs without cleaning and my PM9 goes 2001 rounds is it any more durable???? If you love your gun and love to shoot, then shoot it like u stole it and it something breaks, replace the part and continue

[Native]

Like I said brother. A little bit superstitious. Sooner or later it will clog up and jam. Before that though I will have broken in the new PM9 to be picked up Monday and cleaned the old bad boy. Now if that mini mouse gun in .380 would only come back from the womb and work for real I'd be on cloud nine. Until then my ugly little LCP keeps going bang for the few times I might need a backup banger.

[OldLincoln]

I have to differ with the run it till it breaks notion. You likely wouldn't do that with a Harley or auto of choice, so why bet your life on a dirty gun?

[tomwalshco]

Agree 100%. Maybe with a cheap-ass tool from Harbor Freight, not a defense gun.

If I've got a gun stuck in my pants, it's clean, lubed and loaded. I can't call for back-up.

[kahrseye]

Following a thread on another forum started by a guy that's getting rid of his PM9 due to too many issues for him.......one issue is his perception that the gun needs too much maintenance, hates the field strip process and the gun "needs to run wet".

I think Kahrs are one of the easiest guns to field strip. I need nothing more than my hands to do it and it breaks down in seconds. I think some people don't take the time or have the patience to learn the process.

[WilliamG]

I don't understand people who don't clean after every range run. It doesn't take long, at all. And the Kahr is dead easy to take apart, MUCH easier than the Sig P290 that is a completely bloody nightmare to strip. I've only got 300 rounds down my PM9, but I strip and clean/lube it with CLP, like I do all my guns:

1.) Kahr PM9
2.) Browning Buck Mark
3.) S&W 9mm Pro
4.) S&W 686 SSR
5.) CZ Shadow Custom Target
6.) Remington 870 pump
7.) S&W 15-22
8.) Knight's Armament SR-15

They all get cleaned the same way. No failures with any of them yet. They all get a coat of lube. Not too much, not too little. Just "some."

As I posted in my other thread, here's a PM9 after its first 200 rounds, and then stripped, cleaned, reassembled in under 10 minutes.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/wgrose/257e25e4.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/wgrose/910a7570.jpg


Heck, if you clean after every shoot, you don't need anything more than some CLP, some paper towels, and a few Q-tips. And then I use a BoreSnake Viper down my barrels. No brushing needed at all.

FYI, I always use a BoreSnake on my barrels at the range, before I put them back in the bag. I think it helps clean out the barrel before it cools off, and only takes 10 seconds.

FYI x2, the only issue I've had with reassembling the PM9 is that the recoil spring can sometimes get wedged in the channel you seat it in near the muzzle area, but I just wiggle it back out and put it back in if it happens.

[RUT]

>>I also use Tetra Gun Grease where appropriate<<

Same methodology here, and it's always paid off.

[gb6491]

Following a thread on another forum started by a guy that's getting rid of his PM9 due to too many issues for him.......one issue is his perception that the gun needs too much maintenance, hates the field strip process and the gun "needs to run wet".

Did I miss this in the Kahr Prep instructions? Mine (all 4 of my Kahrs) seem to do just fine with Glock-type lubrication, although I do use a little grease on the rails during the break-in period.....

Nah, dude just has his panties in a wad...
Well said Jarhead! Seems to be a lot of that lately....reminds me of this old Miller commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8MUlPNv9s
Semper Fi,
Greg

[Lobo_79]

...a guy that's getting rid of his PM9 due to too many issues for him.......one issue is his perception that the gun needs too much maintenance, hates the field strip process and the gun "needs to run wet"...

You didn't miss anything. I think there is a certain "Zen" factor to gun ownership. Some folks would do better to stick with full size semi-autos or revolvers that are very forgiving.

I think most folks use common sense with the lube issue, and with luck, the infamous lube chart in the Kahr-Tech section. Mine seems okay being a little dry. If I use grease it's only on the slide rail channel and only when I know it will be kept at about 98.6 degrees most of the time. My ritual; it works.

If I run my HK wet I think it would catch on fire...LOL.

[Dietrich]

At the range I run my PM9 a little wet but not too much.A light film of oil and some grease on the rails does just fine.For SD carry,an even lighter film of oil with greased rails.I have around 1900 rounds through her without a single issue.She gets a thorough cleaning and lube after each range trip and some polishing with a silicon rag in between.I`m not ashamed to admit I have quite a love affair going on with that little handgun.I put more faith in her than I do a lot of people.But to answer your original question,no,your PM9 does not need to be run wet.Normal lubrication is quite sufficient.

[jocko]

but do u realize that when a guy who it is evident doesnt know jack sh-t makes this statement abouthis pm9 for for thatmatter any gun, that dam statement grows letgs and it is on every damn forum he can find to post it and then add to that another psoter pickingup on that statement and further posting it even more places and before you know it, the statement is out that KAHRS HAVE TO RUN TOTALLY WET TO WORK.

That is how usually negative unconfirmed sh-t gets going. Most any semi doesnt need to be run "wet" and just what is "wet"? Might be dry to some!!!! Other than a line of TW25 right inside my slide rails of ALL MY KAHRS, I would consider my kahrs DRY.Certainly I did no more to my glock kand my Para and my Smith M & P either.

Wonder what we would call the Remington spray dry lube??/Wet, dry??, certainly it will not run like oil.

[JD Cowles]

Definitely depends on the person/personality. As you know too well i'm having some issues with my beloved PM9 right now but I ain't givin up on it. I am impatient and have to wait a week or so between range sessions so the process of elimination thing takes a bit to overcome. I have confidence that my new recoil spring will cure what ails and if not, it goes back to get fixed right.