People's impressions CM9 vs PM9

[C0untZer0]

I know the CM9 has a rifled barrel and the two pistols have different sights, but I was wondering if anyone has shot the two pistols side by side and what their impressions of the two models are. Do they shoot any differently? DO they feel any different?

[BEARDOG]

Here is Jeff Quinn's take on it. Maybe that will help you out....
http://www.gunblast.com/Kahr-CM9.htm
I can tell you being the happy owner of a CM9 that compared to a PM9 my wallet "feels" $200 heavier...;)

[Thunder71]

So with the extended magazine missing, the price difference is what - $180?

Just trying to make myself feel better. :)

[enrico]

I know the CM9 has a rifled barrel and the two pistols have different sights, but I was wondering if anyone has shot the two pistols side by side and what their impressions of the two models are. Do they shoot any differently? DO they feel any different?


Dude, NO difference...if you blind fold me I could not tell the difference, shooting or ergonomically. If you tape the model numbers on the slide I have to quickly think which is which, the giveaway would be the top chamfering on the slide vs round and dove tail of the front sight the rest is noise :wof:...............Now, if they made the CM in black :cool:

[jocko]

I will go with enrico on what he said. YOU CANNOT TELL ANY DIFFERENCE N THE TWO GUNS. they will shoot the same. the sights are just as good as what is on the pm as far as a functional sight goes,m jiust ower in price to have. The internbals are all the same, the barrels, each will shoot better than any person behind it. less one magazine which on the pM 9 waqs an extended magazine that many hated, myself included. give me another 6 round flush one any day over this extened butt ugly one, that I never use. I bought my PM9 for total concealment, so I don't want that extended magazine, or I would have bought a P9 or cw9.

I posted in this forum some photos of a cm9 that a fella over on the elsie forum bought and had the dawson fiber optic front and back sights installed. They look totally awesome. I am not sure I would not want them on my PM9 now over my xs big dots which I truly love also.

Price points on the cm9 have been as much as $200 differenbce. Not that we won't get one here with some issues, but we have probably a dozen on this forum and maybe half thaton another fourm that I just follow and ZERO, NADDA, NOT ONE ISSUE.This to me is not a beta gun that is just new out and some want to wait a year for the bugs toget out. It is the same gun as the PM series, less bells and whistles which have nothing to do with reliability.

[BEARDOG]

So with the extended magazine missing, the price difference is what - $180?

Just trying to make myself feel better. :)

My $180 = LG-437 laser grip(now with a $50 rebate) + Desantis Super Fly + spare magazine +Traction Grips = :D
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae70/BeardogV1/P428000433outholster.jpg

OR If you don't want any of that stuff,
How about...
18 boxes(900 rds) of Federal 9mm 115 gr FMJ target ammo from Wally world.

Just saying...:)

[Bill K]

If I had to do it all over again I'd still get the PM9. Why? Snob appeal! :)

Really though, as frugal as I am and from the great range reports I've been reading I'm pretty sure if done over the CM9 is what I would have purchased.

Bil K.

[mightymouse]

SO when do we CM9 guys get the C & PM Series Pistols designation on this part of the forum?
ya know were just a bunch of tight wad PM wannabes anyway. ;)

[WilliamG]

The PM9 is prettier. By a mile. Which is why I bought a PM9 ;)

[Thunder71]

I bought my PM9 because it's a proven gun, and the protector of my family - $200 difference doesn't bother me when I keep it in perspective.

Not saying the CM9 isn't just as reliable, but it wasn't on the market at the time and it's too new to tell.

[aray]

The PM9 is prettier. By a mile. Which is why I bought a PM9 ;)

To each his own. I actually prefer the squared-off lines of the CW9/CM9. Looks more business-like. Meaner. Being the pencil-necked-geek that I am, small things like that easily impress me. Gotta have some bark behind your bite.

[enrico]

SO when do we CM9 guys get the C & PM Series Pistols designation on this part of the forum?
ya know were just a bunch of tight wad PM wannabes anyway. ;)

Here are the results I took couple of months ago...it looks like the CW guys don't want us and we are stuck with the PM guys --> :9: <--CM guys

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=5726 (http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=5726)

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=5727 (http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=5727)


Bottom line, the PM guys helped in creating the CM for us, lets be thankfull :yo:

[jocko]

maybe when enough cm shooters geton this forum and the "squeeking wheel gets the most grease" It might happen..

IMO it belongs in the pM thread.. jsut because I own a PM9

[Bill K]

With more and more models might it make more sense to set up the sub-forums by caliber vs. CM, PM, etc.? Just my humble opinion.

Bill K.

[mightymouse]

Hope you all took it as the joke intended. Don't really give a rodent's behind one way or the other. Nice to have a good Kahr dedicated forum.

[WilliamG]

I bought my PM9 because it's a proven gun, and the protector of my family - $200 difference doesn't bother me when I keep it in perspective.

Not saying the CM9 isn't just as reliable, but it wasn't on the market at the time and it's too new to tell.

Too true. And with my misery involving a BG380, a Sig P238 and more recently a Sig P290, I will not be making that mistake again. I had the absolute choice between the PM9 and CM9, and went home with the PM9. The CM9 may function flawlessly, but I know the PM9 at this point is as well tested as it gets. And for a carry weapon that is all that matters to me.

[jocko]

sig 238 and 290 two "beta" guns. The cm9 is not really in that category. It is identical to the PM9 except for the bells and whistles which has zero to do with reliability. It will certainly be as flawless as the PM9.

[tomwalshco]

Somebody who has both should test the barrels (poly vs standard) in the same gun to check fps and accuracy (with same ammo, of course). I would bet it will be a total non-issue. Maybe in a 5" gun or a rifle, but very doubtful in 3".

PM9 sales may suffer a bit. But Kahr should capture a bunch of business from people looking for a modestly priced single stack 9 - like PF9, SR9....

I would expect a CM40 and CM45 in the next 12 months.

Now if they could just get their CS issues squared away.

[O'Dell]

I've got/had poly Kahr, HK, and rifled, SIG, S&W, and the only difference I've ever noticed is that the poly barrels are a little easier to clean.

[BEARDOG]

For a "interesting" comparison of a Polygonal vs. standard rifling of a Kahr P45 vs. CW45 check out the results Jeff Quinn recorded on the chart about half way down...(spoiler the CW is slightly faster!)
http://www.gunblast.com/Kahr-45s.htm
I know its a .45 and not 9mm, but I would bet the PM9 vs CM9 results would be a lot the same...not much deference at all!
Just another reason I am very happy to be CM9 and a CW9 owner!

[jocko]

got this off the elsie pea forum by one of their moderators. his comments about kahr..............Lumpy, with all due respect, I had my watch set for such a response. I challenge you or anyone else to find a better micro compact 9mm for $440 particularly if you do not want an external safety.

I have had peening on a Glock 27 slide (quite common) on the interior above the slide rail along with a factory recoil assembly that fell apart after the first 300 rounds; a trigger that would not reset in a Walther PPS; a broken extractor in a brand new $3K Nighthawk 1911; an early S&W M&Pc slide that would not lock back because of a defective slide release, and on and on - all guns that cost hundreds more than the CM9. And all serious issues with the exception of the Glock (peening goes so far and stops and in no way interferes with function, and the recoil assembly was replaced with a Wolff) that required factory intervention. If Mighty's CM9 fails the live fire test, then yes it may be reason for caution but I have 800 rounds through my CM9, everyone else appears very happy with theirs (judging from the reads at other forums), and I think you will be happy too should you decide to purchase. Keep in mind that nothing is perfect and until such time as we see a pattern of problems with the CM9, I would buy the first one I could find given Kahr's rep for excellent customer service - my opinion only particular the cm9:

[C0untZer0]

WilliamG - did you post about your experience with the Sig P290?

[mightymouse]

Here are the results I took couple of months ago...it looks like the CW guys don't want us and we are stuck with the PM guys --> :9: <--CM guys

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=5726 (http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=5726)

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=5727 (http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=5727)


Bottom line, the PM guys helped in creating the CM for us, lets be thankfull :yo:
Seriously now. The head honcho, grand poobah, could make a click or two on the php menu and have C & PM series. 30 seconds max.
I'm not a troll, not trying to raise hackles, but the CM pistols are going to function nearly identically, and due to pricing will eventually outnumber those who can afford the PMs. Why not avoid the demeaning of those using the product and the redundancy in questions? The poster will typically state if its a CM or PM related thread.
If it boils down to dollars spent has more credence, PM guys don't want CM riff- raff hanging around, I'm happily out of here. I've added little and don't want to spoil any old boy parties. If well rounded, easily accessed quality information, shooting ability, enthusiastic membership growth is of more interest than your exclusive, though only cosmetic choice of firearms, why not just add the CM9, like already done in the P & CW series heading?

[jocko]

IMo we need not a special cm9 sight or cm sight in general Maybe down the road when kahr get shte cm40 and cm45 out the door, it might be time to separate the two.

HellI would like to see a PM9 PM40 blunt nose special section to, but it ain't gonna happen and I am just jesting but it is a different gun than the now PM9 and PM40. to many different threads, for me seems to make mehav eto search for stuff and I just don't wanna do that. In this world KISS prevails...

[mr surveyor]

I agree with the mouse. The CM series should be either a seperate sub-forum, or should be catagorized with the CW series.

jmoymmv


surv

[WilliamG]

WilliamG - did you post about your experience with the Sig P290?

No. Just didn't like the crunchy trigger, and general "slapped together" feel of it, especially the hammer.