P9 and CW9 Slide Stop

[bigbob68]

If I order from kahr, will I need to get the P9 Slide stop for my CW9 or the CW9 slide stop? I am wanting the non mim one but both are the same price. I guess that i will call kahr and see. If anyone has any info, please chime in.

[bigbob68]

According to Jay, the P9 and CW9 are different EVEN THOUGH they are the same price and the P9 Slide Stop will not work in the CW9. BUMMER!

Why would they price both slide stops at $24.50 if one is MIM and one is machined steel? That is dealer price. You would think that the P9 slide stop would fit the CW9.

[jocko]

very interesting,guess one better stick with his model parts list. I wonder if anyone has tried it to actually see what the difference is other thanh MIM vs forged.

No doubt they are making a bundle on the MIM part at $24.50 and far less on the machined one. so they took the KISS approach.

Other than saying Ihave a forged/machined slide stop lever the MIM is just as good, realy o issues with that would prove otherwise. Sometimes I think we have a fobia about MIM parts be cheapo's and if maderight they arein most cases just as good and far less expesnsive but not in this case

I think just less than a week ago some one posted his cm9 thathe ordered the black PM( trigger and Black forged slide stop lever for and it worked. Humm, very interesting watson.

[ripley16]

The two guns use the same magazine, therefore I can think of no reason the parts would not be interchangable. The cut outs are in the same place, the pin is the same diameter and length. They perform the exact same function.

On the other hand... what is wrong with the CW9 MIM part?

MIM parts are used in some very high stress, high speed, high heat applications. No reason your MIM lever won't last multiple lifetimes.

[BEARDOG]

Jocko, do you smell something?... Ditto, what you wrote above. I have read of others doing it to???

Big Bob, If you are a dealer do you have access to another gun? A P, or PM, Or maybe know someone that has one that you could borrow a slide stop to check the fit + function, and maybe fire a few mags? I just can't believe it wouldn't work.

Jocko is right though, I never read anything about the MIM stop failing. Lots of people say they don't like it, but not 1 time have I heard of a failure of it...YMMV

[jocko]

Jocko, do you smell something?... Ditto, what you wrote above. I have read of others doing it to???

Big Bob, If you are a dealer do you have access to another gun? A P, or PM, Or maybe know someone that has one that you could borrow a slide stop to check the fit + function, and maybe fire a few mags? I just can't believe it wouldn't work.

Jocko is right though, I never read anything about the MIM stop failing. Lots of people say they don't like it, but not 1 time have I heard of a failure of it...YMMV

I think I have read where the pinh broke on one MIM but I have read of far more out of spec forged/machined slide stops than MIM. I think aoot of MIM fobia is just the unknown more than anything. Forged soudns much better. I paid $700 for a forged front wheel for my Halrey, when they took it out of the box, it had a big time defect in it.. Sh-it happens. what concerns me is the possable difference of the P9 slide stop over te cw9 slide stop as to why it won't work. one forged, one MIM, both to me looks exactly the same. I don't want to dispute Jay either, as HE SHOULD KNOW but??? we have a cm9 with a PM9 slide stock and PM triger in it so yes I am confused, but that is not hard.

[jlottmc]

I'm calling bull **** on that. Jay from Kahr or not. My CW45 and P45 interchange just fine.

[jocko]

I thought so to, kinda odd when one calls the FACTORY and talks to SERVICE and gets an off the cuff answer.

It amazes me sometimes, that some of these bad guns when they go back ACTUALLY GET FIXED..

[BEARDOG]

I'm calling bull **** on that. Jay from Kahr or not. My CW45 and P45 interchange just fine.

Yeap, I thought I smelled something...:lie:

[jocko]

indeed ur smeller is very good for the internet. I have a cold yet but bull sh-t carrys a long long way

I have been able to tell most of the time when Bawanna is on line without even turning my computer on!!!!!!!!

[gb6491]

I'm calling bull **** on that. Jay from Kahr or not. My CW45 and P45 interchange just fine.
Ditto that and on my CW9 as well:)
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Regards,
Greg

[jocko]

damn ur good GB

[Bawanna]

damn ur good GB

Ain't he though! Damn good!

[BEARDOG]

Nice pics Greg!

[gb6491]

Thank you kindly all:)
Regards,
Greg

[bigbob68]

Awesome pics? I'm just gonna buy one and see. They do look different. I will get an order together and get a P9 slide stop to put in the CW and see what happens. Thanks guys!

[jocko]

where there is a slight difference is where it really doesn't matter.

[HadEmAll]

For those who want to read a whole bunch of both information and opinions about MIM as it relates to handguns, the 1911 forum is full of it, usually related to Kimbers. Kimber likers defend them, Kimber detractors bash them. Always seems to revolve around Kimbers. A whole slew of Kimber parts are MIM.

Be warned, sometimes you come away knowing less than when you started. And it gets heated.

I never worried a second about the difference between the slide stop in my K40 while I had it, versus the one in my CW40.

[jocko]

I don't really read about bad MIM parts. they are in damn near anything one buys anymore. One thing about them, If the mold is perfectr, then every MIM part that comes out of it should be a good one, unlike some machined parts when things do change a tad with machinery etc. Iseriolsly doubt if kahr makes their MIM slide stop either, and have doubts if they make the forged/Machined one either...

I am pretty sur ethe lower steel frames of the K and MK models are of investment casting and not machined stainless, Modern technology has advanced alot over the years.

[tomwalshco]

I'm leaning towards the B.S. story. They have been less than forthright with me on occasion. Have a PM9 and CW9 - slide stops are interchangeable, but you can tell them apart. P/PM is made of 2 pieces, CW 1 piece. Very slight cosmetic difference on the ribbing.

I'd bet they are out of stock on forged and are just shipping the MIMs.

P barrels and CW barrels may not be interchangeable, though. Barrel hood may be different on the poly barrel.... maybe that was what he was talking about.

[jocko]

P9 barrel is a tad longer but I would bet it would be interchangeable with the cw slide, maybe the cw barrel would not be compatiable with the P9 slide

[bigbob68]

I'm leaning towards the B.S. story. They have been less than forthright with me on occasion. Have a PM9 and CW9 - slide stops are interchangeable, but you can tell them apart. P/PM is made of 2 pieces, CW 1 piece. Very slight cosmetic difference on the ribbing.

I'd bet they are out of stock on forged and are just shipping the MIMs.

P barrels and CW barrels may not be interchangeable, though. Barrel hood may be different on the poly barrel.... maybe that was what he was talking about.

I never assked about the barrel, just the slide stop. Jay is who said they are different and specific to each gun. If I bought a slide stop for the P9 and got a MIM, I would be pissed. Not that there is anything wrong with MIM parts just saying. The barrels are the same price as well. So much for the P9 being more expensive due to the Machined slide stop, detals of the slide and match Lothar Walther Barrel.

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[ripley16]

P/PM is made of 2 pieces, CW 1 piece.

I believe the CW9 slide stop is also made of two pieces... the lever , which is the MIM part and the pin which is not, and press fitted together.

[jocko]

I believe the CW9 slide stop is also made of two pieces... the lever , which is the MIM part and the pin which is not, and press fitted together.

dead right. the pin is solid steel pressed into the MIM slide lever:cheer2:

[indysims]

My first post, but my first question. Can anyone confirm or deny the P9 barrel will work in the CW9... just a thought for down the line if I wanted to upgrade the barrel.

[jocko]

BOTH BARRELS EXACTLY THE SAME LENGTH. Other than the rifleing, they will interchange.

[skiflydive]

A little conjecture here. You're a manufacturer of deadly weapons. Your product liability insurance bill is so high it's out in the galaxy. Your insurance probably has some paragraph that says you may not sell, approve, or recommend any modification that isn't in the original design specs or your insurance is void. Your original design specs for the PM9 calls for specific part numbers and your design specs for the CM9 call for identical parts, but with a different part number so you can differentiate between the models if you need to...inventory turnover or production planning or whatever.

Some guy, you have no real idea who but might be a competitor or a lawyer, calls you on the phone and says "I want to swap part number abc for part number xyz. They look and function just the same."

What do you do?

Just wondering. I have to consider it in my business all the time.

[r2dhart]

They probably don't manufacture the MIM part themselves so you're paying Kahr as well as the manufacturer which pushes the price up to that of the forged piece.

[jocko]

skiflydive: good point. We see this on here every once in awhile in the two parts that are used in the kahr guns. the MIM slide stop lever and the forged slide stoplever. Both will interchange from like the cm9 to the PM9 and vice versa. BUT WHY do itSoemtimes we get this mentality that a MIM part is not as good as a forged part etc so we tend to do things tha tto us make sense but realy serves no real purpose.

Your points IMO make alot of sesne to. What we opurselves do to some things to make changes might exempt a company from their liability but when they approve it and or do it,k then they will always error on the side of caution..