I was patient with the CW45 for awhile

[Phooey]

^^^

[edinero]

Phooey,


My gun service was completed today and they replaced trigger bar plus did other things that Jay told me over the phone while he took payment for my night sight install since it was up there and I needed it done , might as well take advantage. the cw45 should be back in my arms by Thursday and I will let you know what happens this second time back from factory... Let me know if you need any advice or help. get that gun back to KAHR ASAP B4 you hurt anyone!

[jocko]

Been hoping and praying that I would have just been imagining things or being a poor shooter and it would all be better today at the range. Darned if the CW45 didn't just throw a fit! There I was just a shooting away - first mag, fine, secong mag-cough, third mag FTF/FTE and dropped mag. So, I cleared and racked acouple of times, locked back slide, inserted mag (per manual) released slide , bang, lock up - slide wouldn't move, mag released etc etc etc. All in all 4 FTF with trigger not resetting, 6 FTE, 1 dropped mag (could've been my fault but doubt it) and on. Total rounds were FMJ Remington and WWB a total of 48 rounds attempted. Called range "expert" to look and fire and darned if he didn't have same issue on 2nd and 3rd rounds. He looked at slide, mags and ammo, shook his head and said "Send that piece ** &&&& to Kahr before you hurt somebody". Now that I look back on it - that was kind of funny. Waiting for RA from Kahr sales and service so we'll keep the fingers crossed.
I waited because I was watching to see what happened to Jocko and Edinero with their experience and what to expect. My dealer said he would send back for me:) because I was such a good customer (and he has so many guns to sell me!).

Total Rounds To Date - 450+ ur dealer for doing that. doucument for kahr just what the ugn is doing and with whaqt ammo used. give thema good starting point. I hv eno doubt youhave an out of spec trigger b ar, seems to be j90%of the culprit when light strikers occur. they willget it right foryou, be patients, their turn around time is outstanding to, so it won't be gone long.:blah::blah:

[Phooey]

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[TheTman]

Sorry it has to go bac Phooey. My new CW45 had to go back to Kahr, and it came back in wonderful shape. Hasn't had any failures that were not caused by me intentionally limp wristing to see what it would take to get it fail. Not much. That gun needs to be held firmly with your wrist in a good position to keep the frame from moving back with the slide.

[Phooey]

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[Phooey]

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[edinero]

Phooey,

Whoa they did a little more to your pistol in diff to my CW45 Repair but they did some similar things. Im wondering why they didn't just replace the trigger bar.

[Phooey]

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[jocko]

The CW45 just got back from warranty repair (took about 9 days turnaround) and I am glad that I sent it in! The repair ticket stated; " Replaced barrel, replaced barrel recoil spring, replaced mag catch, cleaned striker bore, reworked trigger bar. Lubed, test fired good." Based upon this information I can say that I probabaly wasn't imagining things were a little off. They have done some extra procedures like polish the feed ramp to a brilliant chrome-like finish and I can swear even the slide was replaced. Makes me want to just sit and admire it and fall in love all over again! Hopefully a trip to the range today after the "Full Jocko" (kinda like the full Monty but not as naughty?) and I can hear the paper targets shaking with nervous anticipation.

the trigger bar is probab ly kahr doing alittle tweeking on the end of it where it goes into the cocking cam. Barrel replacement is a mysteryt but again it cold all be about timeing and that barrel eas evidently out of spec. We have to also consider that kahr hasn't a clue what is wrong or how to fix it either, so they just start replacing parts until it finally works and then they don't try to reverse engineer it to see which part was really the culprit. Time is money for kahr so it is just cheaper toreplace and not worry about what the issue i8s. If it is fixed consider it a nice job b y kahr and njow just shoot it like u stole it..

[edinero]

Phooey,

How did it turn out? Where is your range report?

[Phooey]

Phooey,

How did it turn out? Where is your range report?
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[Bigbore59]

Hmmmm, I have just tried to break-in my new CW45 and had a few problems the first few mags, then after about 50 rounds the trigger would not rest either. If I pushed the trigger forward I could get it to reset but as I pulled back on the trigger I could feel the hammer cocking then it would slip an no bang bang. Haven't cleaned it yet and it looks real dirty but I can't see if it is poly wear or dirty ammo (new ammo but bought at a gun show).

[TheTman]

I think this is all my fault. Things seemed to be going great with the CW45 until I bought one, now they seem to be cropping up with all kinds of problems. I'd better not buy any more. Maybe I'll buy a Glock and watch their "Glock Perfection" go to hell. LOL

[Phooey]

I think this is all my fault. Things seemed to be going great with the CW45 until I bought one, now they seem to be cropping up with all kinds of problems. I'd better not buy any more. Maybe I'll buy a Glock and watch their "Glock Perfection" go to hell. LOL
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[Phooey]

Hmmmm, I have just tried to break-in my new CW45 and had a few problems the first few mags, then after about 50 rounds the trigger would not rest either. If I pushed the trigger forward I could get it to reset but as I pulled back on the trigger I could feel the hammer cocking then it would slip an no bang bang. Haven't cleaned it yet and it looks real dirty but I can't see if it is poly wear or dirty ammo (new ammo but bought at a gun show).
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[Jim K]

Maybe we expect too much for the money.. I don't have 5K+ posts but my machines work 100% right out of the hangar. Kahahahr can do much better in my opinion. We say that you can fool everyone but the aircraft. I guess that pistols that don't work get by with excuses. That "outta spec" thing don't cut it.
Don't drink the Kook aid. Demand a functional weapon.

Good Luck

[Phooey]

Maybe we expect too much for the money.. I don't have 5K+ posts but my machines work 100% right out of the hangar. Kahahahr can do much better in my opinion. We say that you can fool everyone but the aircraft. I guess that pistols that don't work get by with excuses. That "outta spec" thing don't cut it.
Don't drink the Kook aid. Demand a functional weapon.

Good Luck
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[Squib]

There does seem to be a lot of CW45s that are duds outta the box lately. I spent 2 months trying to make mine right before sending it in. I was very frustrated but when Jay told me I would pay to send it back, I went ballistic.

After explaining the concept of human sacrifice they picked up the tab, but it was too late. When I got it back it took another 100 rounds to get it to shoot properly. I traded it on Monday and cancelled my order for a CM9. My CW9 has been flawless and I'll continue to carry it as my main CC, but no more Kahrs.

[edinero]

Quitter on our forum, Keep the faith like I did. It took my CW45 Two months from purchase and 2 trips to kahr to make it reliable! Phooey don't worry my friend I will talk you down from any trade in or canceling any future orders! Trust me stay with your CW45!

[Phooey]

Quitter on our forum, Keep the faith like I did. It took my CW45 Two months from purchase and 2 trips to kahr to make it reliable! Phooey don't worry my friend I will talk you down from any trade in or canceling any future orders! Trust me stay with your CW45!
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[edinero]

Phooey,

I can guarantee that you will get it back in another 9 Days if not first 50 rounds are on me! pay pal or check by mail but I can say that Kahr is great about getting it back to you ASAP!

I also lost alot of money during break in and return to kahr but thats the chance you take when you buy a machine, it could breakdown or be out of spec.

[Phooey]

Phooey,

I can guarantee that you will get it back in another 9 Days if not first 50 rounds are on me! pay pal or check by mail but I can say that Kahr is great about getting it back to you ASAP!

I also lost alot of money during break in and return to kahr but thats the chance you take when you buy a machine, it could breakdown or be out of spec.
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[edinero]

I bought 500 rounds of Champion Federal At 16.97 for each box of 50 rounds. I have gone though 250 Rounds Of Flawless Shooting since its second return From Kahr since purchase ( 2 RANGE TRIPS ). I now carry it everywhere I go as my Primary CCW With a IWB Cobra Gun skin.

[Jim K]

My Momma used to say that there's "no fool like an Old Fool" and I may be living proof of that now - ha! I am trying to get issues resolved but like many others, trying to be patient too. This is the first time I have ever had a problem with a pistol that wasn't a result of "operator error". Makes me rethink my decision but for the most part I am keeping my fingers crossed that Kahr will pass the magic repair wand over it and all will be good:)

I carry a P9 that was a nightmare to get functional. Kahr was not helpful providing the technical data require to fix the darned thing. I like the form factor and finish on Kahr products but I don't want to have to suffer thru trouble making my firearms function.
I'll buy another one if Kahr offers a money back guarantee. Warrantees suck, especially when you have to shoot 200 rounds to prove your weapon does not work and beg for return shipment. The manufacturer should make the product function, not the customer.

Just my opinion.

[Phooey]

I bought 500 rounds of Champion Federal At 16.97 for each box of 50 rounds. I have gone though 250 Rounds Of Flawless Shooting since its second return From Kahr since purchase ( 2 RANGE TRIPS ). I now carry it everywhere I go as my Primary CCW With a IWB Cobra Gun skin.
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[Phooey]

I carry a P9 that was a nightmare to get functional. Kahr was not helpful providing the technical data require to fix the darned thing. I like the form factor and finish on Kahr products but I don't want to have to suffer thru trouble making my firearms function.
I'll buy another one if Kahr offers a money back guarantee. Warrantees suck, especially when you have to shoot 200 rounds to prove your weapon does not work and beg for return shipment. The manufacturer should make the product function, not the customer.

Just my opinion.
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[Jim K]

Depends on how you mean "worth it". I like my P9 now that it works. I have fired thousands of rounds thru it without one hiccup since repair. I don't feel like I want to go thru a similar experience with another Khar pistol. I was disappointed not only in the product as it came out of the box but the unwillingness of Kahr to provide the data to fix it. I paid good money for mine and have a reasonable expectation that the pistol shoud go "bang" everytime. Kahr pistols are fine if you get one that works. I maintain that every single one of them should work 100% right out of the box. I think that Kahr is capable of reaching that standard.

Zero defects, zero grumpy customers.

I want to shoot the pistol, not play with it.

Just my opinion.

Regards, Jim K

[Phooey]

Depends on how you mean "worth it".

Zero defects, zero grumpy customers.

I want to shoot the pistol, not play with it.

Just my opinion.

Regards, Jim K
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[Squib]

I'm an old geezer, I've been shooting for 60 years. I remember when we used to take a firearm out of the box, and it worked. That's one. When we first shot them, it was to gently break in the barrel, not to see if it would actually fire. That's two. Nor did we have to pay $60 to $100 dollars to insure confidence in a firearm. That's three. You all know what happens when the old geezer gets to 3.

To this day, I have a few that I've never had to do that; Colt, Smith & Wesson, Ruger and Rock Island. I will continue to carry my CW9 because it has never failed to work. However, when I buy a new pistol that clearly does not work and shoot $100 worth of ammo to prove the point, I do not expect factory service to tell me I pay to return it for repair. That's four.

[Fulton_722]

Same here Squib ... the S&W K22, Model 19, Model 60, Model 686, Model 442 and other S&W revolvers that I've owned over the past 45 years were considered 100% reliable out of the box, without any notion that we needed to test fire them for reliability.

[wyntrout]

I don't recall problems with Ruger revolvers, but the S&W's could use some precautionary disassembly and checking for bits of metal left from machining. I had several revolvers lock up and found metal shavings in new and old guns... probably why some were sold. This was back in the 70's, though. I don't know what constitutes a "geezer", but I'll be 65 soon... already on Medicare... gotta go get a new retired USAF card, too. :(

Wynn:)

[Phooey]

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[Squib]

Wynn, I don't know how to break this to you gently, but you are a geezer. We meet the last Friday of the month at the corner tap. This months topic; Why you used to get excited when you saw a beautiful woman.:rolleyes:

[A. Dillo]

First 100 rds. with P45 with WW Whitebox 230 were fine. # 36 failed to feed, but others were OK. 2d 100 rds. Lots of failures to feed with hardball. Sent it back to the "garage." They polished the feed ramp and installed a new recoil spring. On 1st 100 rds after that, fired one magazine and then the extractor got blown out. God only knows where it is. Sent it back a 2d time with an angry note. Want a new gun or a refund. Unless this gun goes 500 rds. without a burp, it's not fit for going out among the populace.

I like the ergonomics of the P45 a lot. It's light and thin. 6+1 of decent ammo. It's a lot lighter than my XD Subcompact which is an outstanding gun in all respects. Just wanted to go lighter + I prefer the .45 round. I want this gun to work !

Please note. I have a PM9 that works like a champ. It's an excellent gun. I think that this particular P45 might be a lemon.

[jocko]

for sure u won't get ur money back and unless the gun is unrepearable, u will not get a new gun. I realize it is frustrating also, i AM JUST STATING WHAT i THINK is fact. They will get it right..

[Phooey]

I like the ergonomics of the P45 a lot. It's light and thin. 6+1 of decent ammo. It's a lot lighter than my XD Subcompact which is an outstanding gun in all respects. Just wanted to go lighter + I prefer the .45 round. I want this gun to work !

Please note. I have a PM9 that works like a champ. It's an excellent gun. I think that this particular P45 might be a lemon.
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[A. Dillo]

Folks:

About 10 days after sending the P45 to the factory, I received a brand new gun. No questions asked. It was fine with PMC hardball up to 80th round. Then had some failures to feed. Cleaned it up and took it out today. It ate 100 rds. of reloads (230 RN w/ 3.8 gr. Titegroup) just fine. Then ate 48 rds. of WW whitebox without a burp. I'm going to run some CorBon through it next to see how it does with that truncated cone bullet. Then some Hornady Critical Defense and more hardball to get it to 300-350 rds. If it continues to work the way it did today, I think that it will be fine.

One other note. It often goes into battery when I insert a magazine. I was taught to ram mag's in "with authority." I've seen reports of other guns doing this. Might be a weak slide stop spring.

All in all, I'm really happy with the way Kahr handled this, although I don't know about any other products that make the customer the quality control department.

More to follow.

Dillo

[Phooey]

Folks:

All in all, I'm really happy with the way Kahr handled this, although I don't know about any other products that make the customer the quality control department.

More to follow.

Dillo
Curious to see if the pistol is still working for you. Just got a call from Kahr and they said frame was out of spec too (along with other things) , replacing and sending to FFL (new gun law thing?) It took them awhile longer to get to it to determine issues so who knows now.
Since they replaced yours and virtually have replaced about everything on mine I am hoping for a "win - win" on this event.

[edinero]

Phooey,

Sounds good , I told you they would take care of it!

Lets get that report when you get that new pistol in hand!

[RogerP9fan]

Unfortunately, can't report the same for my new CW45. Second range trip today confirmed that after you shoot the first round, the trigger does not return to the proper position to fire again. You literally have to take your finger and push the trigger forward so that it will engage internally.......then pull and it goes bang. You have to do this for each round other than the very first one. The range officer experienced the same exact thing as I, in fact he's the one that told me about pushing the trigger forward to engage it.
(This is eerily identical to my P9 heartburn of last year) :(
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[RogerP9fan]

I'm stunned that I a got a second new Kahr pistol that has a trigger that doesn't reset properly. Am I cursed? Or is this a common problem?

[Canoe]

I also have a new CW45 with a trigger reset problem. I posted my experience with the Kahr after my first trip to the range, this was about 3 weeks ago. I called Kahr and explained what was happening and they emailed me a prepaid Fedex label within 30 minutes. The pistol was repaired and returned within 9 days to include a weekend. The worksheet says test fired, reworked trigger. Anyway I ran 2 boxes of Rem through it an it funtioned perfectly. I have been a hard core 1911 shooter for over 50 years and must say the CW45 is as accurate as most of my standard 1911's. Off the bench 5 shot groups were 2.5 to 3.5 inches. The trigger is better than my custom Python that I competed with back in the revolver days. Call Kahr and get it fixed.

[CJB]

My way of thinking.... some problem with plastic "flashing" or such.

[edinero]

Roger,

I had the same issue with my CW45, It took two trips back from kahr any many new parts. I have a thread on the forum with all the repairs and status updates, The pistol is now Flawless with over 300+ Rounds down range with not one malfunction.

[RogerP9fan]

Thanks for the encouragement guys. Obviously, I'm very disappointed but your postings are making me feel a little better. I really like this CW45 and just want it to work.

Part of the main reason I'm so disappointed is that last year I had a new P9 that started doing the same thing but only if I loaded it up in a 7+1 carry mode. I sent it off to Kahr and they replaced the trigger bar....but the trigger was never normal after getting it back. While firing it kept feeling as if it wouldn't engage and I'd have to wiggle my trigger finger a little to get the trigger "to catch" internally so it could fire. In frustration, I sold it. In retrospect, perhaps should have sent it in again.

I really hope I get my CW45 back working as advertised as your postings reflect. I really hope the trigger fix does not leave me with having to wiggle the trigger ever so slightly to get the trigger mechanism to engage.

[Bawanna]

"I really hope I get my CW45 back working as advertised as your postings reflect. I really hope the trigger fix does not leave me with having to wiggle the trigger ever so slightly to get the trigger mechanism to engage.[/QUOTE]

If you get it back and it's like this which is totally unacceptable, back it goes until it is right. No reason to tolerate or have to make allowances. Hold your mouth just right and wiggle the trigger, and do the hokey pokey don't make it with me.

Don't give up. It's perfection we seek and it's perfection we shall have.

[RogerP9fan]

Sir, yes sir!