Shoots Low and Right

[carnesee]

I've read a great deal of advice on this forum re: how to correct a righthander who shoots low and left, but nothing about a rightie who shoots low and right...like me. And it's not just my Kahr P9; it's other manufacturers' guns as well. Any thughts? Thank you.

[jocko]

well those sights on the kahrs and many others are moveable R or l. ADJUST ACCORDINGLY sounds like your cojnsistant though,...iWISH iCOULD TELLYOU HOW TO SHOOT RIGHT, BUT i SHOOT LOW AND RIGHT BIG TIME WITH MY pm9 AT 7 YARDS, AND THEN there are days it is dead on, so I know it is me but for the live of me I don't know what the hell is going on either. I shot my PM9 yesterday at 7 yards and they were all right "BIG TIME" NOT TO LOW BUT DISGUSTINGLY RIGHT. course Todd Jarrett I am not. Get some snap caps about ahalf dozen and thrwo them in with 30 rounds and let spomeone load your magazines, I guaratgnee u it willshow you ways of error big time. If my triggers were plastic, I proably wouldhave broken them off many times with my choking that sucker... Those suckers on NCIS shoot 3 shot grupls rightin theeart every time, why can't I?????

[Paul55]

You're tightening your grip while pulling the trigger. Also may be squeezing thumb too much.

Your posture ok? A drooping head or a sense of pushing the pistol forward also creates low shots.

Just keep practicing. Sticking with one firearm for a while will also help with your practice. I've seen guys shooting 4-5 guns when they go to the range; then, none of them being shot very well. LOL If you can stick to one gun for 500 rounds, I'll bet you will have a much better time of it. (assuming about 50-100 rounds each time you go).

[Bawanna]

According to the handy dandy analysis target one of the other fine folks here posted awhile back from Lee Precision your Tightening grip while pulling the trigger. Thumbing (squeezing thumb) or using too much trigger finger.
Breaking the rist or pushing forward or drooping head according to the chart contribute to shooting low.

Just passing on whats on the chart.

[carnesee]

Thank you, everyone. Good advice. I am anxious to put it to use.

[garyb]

Just a suggestion: reference www.frontsight.com (http://www.frontsight.com) defensive handgun training manual. As others here have said, Low groups are due to "mashing" which is squeezing with the whole hand just before the shot is fired, which causes the muzzle to dip and the shot to be low. This is very easily detected and corrected via dry fire practice, especially using a laser. It is commonly caused by the ratio of
too much shooting : too little dry fire practice. It is also caused by not taking the slack out of the trigger finger on a double action trigger before attempting to fire the weapon. This "running start" is common on weapons with lots of slack in the trigger. Take up all the slack in the trigger or stage it, before you begin the surprise break in the trigger. The sights must remain on target when the surprise break occurs and keep your concentration on the front sight. Many times, the shooter flinches or blinks the eyes closed during the break at the moment of the shot, which takes concentration off the front sight. Watch the front sight - follow through.

For a left hander, right groups are generally incorrect trigger finger placement. If the left handed shooter is hitting right, there is generally not enough finger placed across the face of the trigger. The tip of the finger is pushing and is made worse when the slack is not taken out of the trigger by stagging it.

This information was taken directly from this manual (in a shorter version to help you). I am confident this works.
1. dry fire practice more
2. follow through on your stagging of the trigger
3. stop mashing
4. play with the amount of finger on your trigger (even by relaxing the 2nd joint so the first joint hyper extends. This gives a square or perpendicular finger to trigger travel. Not pulling the finger to one side or the other. It is difficult to explain. Photos would be necessary. But I also recommend reading "Practical Shooting" by Brian Enos (I think that is the title).
Hope this helps and Best of luck.

[pappy42]

I have found trigger control easy to describe; less easy to execute.

The best description and easiest technique to execute, in my experience, is: "A steadily increasing pressure on the trigger, straight to rear, until the weapon fires." The speed of this application of pressure depends on your situation, ie target shooting or fighting for your life

In my humble; but very experienced, oppinion, staging the trigger will result in flinching for all but the very highly trained and practiced shooter. The issue of gross versus fine muscle control makes it useless if fighting for your life.

[carnesee]

Many thanks, to each of you. I have made copies of your suggestions and plan to study them thoroughly prior to my next trip to the range. Most of my life was spent with long guns; just the last four-five years with handguns. It's different, but you guys are making a big contibution to my "education", and it is very much appreciated.

[Bawanna]

While the platform is much different the trigger is very much the same. I'm very much in agreement with Pappy on this one. I've tried staging with my Kahr as I do with some of my other handguns with poor results. A steady even straight thru pull until the surprise bang seems to work best for me.
I can get away with staging on some others and rifle, not so sure it's experience or just a more suitable mechanism for staging.
My Para LDA's stage wonderfully but a totally different animal in many respects.

Please let us know how you go about improving yourself. It's good to pass on so that others can benefit from your results.

[newkahrowner]

i had the same problem till i was taught to grip the gun lightly with the trigger hand and grip firmly with the other and pull the trigger slowly! try that and try creeping the trigger back slowly and dont be trying to rush where the trigger breaks or being paranoid of it.