Glock legendary reliability....(link)

[CJB]

Came across this link - since I'm still fending off associates who say "Glock 36, only way to fly". They seem to have a problem Kahr, in general, and PM Kahr models in particular.

They cite - Glock Legendary Reliability, which is beginning to sound a bit like Attila the Hun's Legendary Mercy.

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/gindex2.html

I went searching for Glock recalls - ended up with those folks. Yikes!

[JimBianchi]

I know about the recent problem with the Gen4 G17 and G26s.

But as far as I know, all previous models are more reliable than most pistols, with the sole exception being the every early G36, they had problems and occasionally one will still pop up that hasn't been fixed by GLOCK and start the whole bashing all over again.

The Gen4 guns have a lot of redesign in them, and apparently, not all of it was QC'd very well. I just read of one large department that pulled all Gen4 G17s and re-issued the well used Gen3, after only a week in service with the new gun.

[jocko]

I certainlyh trust my G19 with my life, course whatis one's life worth??

[OldLincoln]

The Gun Zone reported facts and has been bashed repeatably for it by Glock disciples who even reading the provable facts deny them. I agree Glocks are as good a gun as others, better than some possibly worse than others, but to deny they ever fail is nonsense. At least here we acknowledge a Kahr can have a problem and focus on getting it fixed.

As for trusting your life with it, why not. If you'll drive your car 65mph at another car going 65mph driven by a complete stranger missing a head on collision by only 10' and not even think about it, why sweat any gun you have proven to yourself as reliable.

[Dietrich]

Yep,that`s one of the reasons I don`t visit Glocktalk anymore.I like my Glocks fine but I`m well aware that any machine can break down. Those fanatics just ain`t gonna hear it.That type of blindness is what caused the tragedy at Jonestown with the koolaid.I don`t associate with folks like that.They give me the creeps.

[kpm9]

TGZ, yeah they had their 15 minutes of fame. Time's up.

[TucsonMTB]

The Kahr Club section on GlockTalk is just fine. Some very thoughtful members of KahrTalk help out there from time to time. I'm in as a very junior member myself, lacking a Glock . . . :rolleyes:

[melissa5]

I've got 4 Glocks at the moment. Three of them are Gen 4. After a break-in period, they have been just as reliable as my Gen 3. I don't think they are perfect and infallible, but I would take a Glock 17 into the Apocalypse because Glocks can take a ton of abuse and keep running. I'm not saying that other guns won't, but I've had my Gen 3 30sf for a year and have never cleaned or oiled it. :eek: How many 1911's or Kahrs can you treat like that and not have any hiccups with it? Just saying... ;)

[jocko]

The Kahr Club section on GlockTalk is just fine. Some very thoughtful members of KahrTalk help out there from time to time. I'm in as a very junior member myself, lacking a Glock . . . :rolleyes:

to kahr talk on glock talk for info until this forum came about. I could never get accepted to glock talk andtried a dozen times and was always told youcannot join but never a reason. some one over there certainly knew me .:banplease:

[O'Dell]

to kahr talk on glock talk for info until this forum came about. I could never get accepted to glock talk andtried a dozen times and was always told youcannot join but never a reason. some one over there certainly knew me .:banplease:

With 6480 posts here when would you have time for GlockTalk?:D

[jocko]

Iwouldn't, maybe they did me a favor, but this was back 4 years ago when kahr talk was not here yet. I wouldnot have lasted over there, I just know it.

[CS534]

These over devoted fan sites always pop up out there. I'm not sure why though. If you aren't paid by the company, or don't own part of it, I'm not sure why you would have a site where you bash other gun manufacturers. That being said, thats why Kahrtalk is the only forum I belong to. Here we discuss things rationally and compare/ contrast. That is the kind of discussion I enjoy.

All that being said I carry a Glock on duty, Kahr off duty. I would rather have a smaller/ lighter gun when I'm in my street clothes. Although sometimes the Glock goes for a ride too.

[jocko]

KINDA HARD TO KNOW A 15 OPR 17 ROUND GLOCK when needed..

[CJB]

No promoting TGZ, but the way Glock surpresses anything negative to a large extent.

They had - short frame rails giving problems if the gun was dropped.
They had the mode 3 failure with weird stovepipes that couldn't be easily cleared.
They had trigger issues.
They had the slam fire issue.
They have had multiple bad runs of guns that stovepipe or ftf or fte on a consistent basis.
And they have the current frame replacement thing going on due to bad metallurgy.
And... probably more that I dont know about.

All that, and... you really dont hear about it, unless you go snooping around on the net and try to cipher out the real from the hoax. Hard to say whats what, but when you got quotes from PD's... it does lend some viability to the claim that "yes" a problem was going on.

I don't think they're a rats rosette better or worse than anything else, just that they have a great spin machine that covers up negative press pretty well.

[OldLincoln]

I haven't gotten very close to the Glock world, but have seen 45 ammo that states it's for Glocks. Don't they shoot 45 ACP? If not how do you guys who have both 45 ACP and Glock 45s get along with ammo?

[O'Dell]

I haven't gotten very close to the Glock world, but have seen 45 ammo that states it's for Glocks. Don't they shoot 45 ACP? If not how do you guys who have both 45 ACP and Glock 45s get along with ammo?

Some are 45 ACP and some 45 GAP. The GAP has a slightly shortened case, I think, to lessen the fore and aft length of the grip. The size and 'blockiness' of the Glock grip is a problem for some people, including me. From what I've seen, there's not much difference in the ballistics of the two rounds.

[slowpoke]

I've got 4 Glocks at the moment. Three of them are Gen 4. After a break-in period, they have been just as reliable as my Gen 3. I don't think they are perfect and infallible, but I would take a Glock 17 into the Apocalypse because Glocks can take a ton of abuse and keep running. I'm not saying that other guns won't, but I've had my Gen 3 30sf for a year and have never cleaned or oiled it. :eek: How many 1911's or Kahrs can you treat like that and not have any hiccups with it? Just saying... ;)
I don't understand the big beef about the gen 4 recoil springs. I mean, whats the big deal about replacing it to make the gun go? I have a s-ht load of various springs for my 1911 and doesn't bother me a bit to swap one out to shoot a different load. A glock takes far less time to change the spring than a 1911. :cool:

[mogman]

I have a Glock 22 in 40 S&W with 25,800 rounds through it. Not even a single missfire, stovepipe, or FTF--ever. I love my two Kahrs PM9 and MK40. First shot hit ratio is truly unbelievable for a DAO. I'm not so good with double taps and controled pairs with DAO pistols but the Kahr is "carryable" in dress pants front pocket and sadly, no Glock is. However, the Kahrs will need to shoot awhile before they prove themselves as reliable as my "combat tupperware".

[Dietrich]

I truly wish that the advertising folks at Glock hadn`t come up with the "Glock Perfection" campaign.In addition to painting themselves into a corner,they added fuel to the fire for people that like to find fault with just about anything.My two Glocks are totally reliable to date but the word perfection isn`t what pops into my mind to describe them.Anything made by man is not perfect.The one exception being when man makes a perfect ass of himself as the folks at Glock did with the "Perfection" thing.Am I talking in circles?

[CJB]

Am I talking in circles?

Nope.

[melissa5]

I don't understand the big beef about the gen 4 recoil springs. I mean, whats the big deal about replacing it to make the gun go? I have a s-ht load of various springs for my 1911 and doesn't bother me a bit to swap one out to shoot a different load. A glock takes far less time to change the spring than a 1911. :cool:

The new Gen4 springs are a lot stiffer than what is in the Gen3 and were designed for 124 gr. ammo, not 115 gr. Of course people started off shooting 115 gr and were having a lot of failures. Anyway, people complained so much that Glock had to send out springs that were closer to the Gen3 springs. But, if you followed Glocks advise and broke in the gun with 124 gr, then it would shoot 115 gr without any problems after that. People were amazed that a Glock needed a break-in period.

[CJB]

Springs not made to be as they should be, but made to become what they should be (after a bit of use). Sounds very reasonable to me.

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[jocko]

any gun should function with 115 grain ammo as wlll as 124 grain. A piss poor excuse by glock IMO to put out such a gun fully knowing that most 9mm shooters do shoot 115 grain ammo for range fodder at least. ESPECIALLY GLOCKS..

[gb6491]

I don't understand the big beef about the gen 4 recoil springs. I mean, whats the big deal about replacing it to make the gun go? I have a s-ht load of various springs for my 1911 and doesn't bother me a bit to swap one out to shoot a different load. A glock takes far less time to change the spring than a 1911. :cool:

The new Gen4 springs are a lot stiffer than what is in the Gen3 and were designed for 124 gr. ammo, not 115 gr. Of course people started off shooting 115 gr and were having a lot of failures. Anyway, people complained so much that Glock had to send out springs that were closer to the Gen3 springs. But, if you followed Glocks advise and broke in the gun with 124 gr, then it would shoot 115 gr without any problems after that. People were amazed that a Glock needed a break-in period.Glock also changed the design of the spring/guide rod assy. for the Gen 4 guns. They went with a captive setup similar to that found in the subcompacts (G26, 27, etc.). This required that the front of the slide be machined differently and that meant no other prior existing spring/guide rod setup would work in the Gen 4 full size guns without a conversion kit. I'm not sure if the conversion kits will work any more as Glock has started counter-boring the guide rod hole in some slides.
Regards,
Greg

[rwblue01]

I bought my Kahr the same day as I bought another G21. Booth guns look to have their niche, the problem is most people think whatever they have is the best and try to defend it.

I have seen this in AK vs. AR battles. I have seen this in 1911 vs. everything battles. I have seen this in M1A vs. FNFAL vs. G3 battles. I have seen this in 9mm vs 45 vs 40 battles.

Generally if you took away the item they are defending, people would be happy with the other item.


As for the 3rd vs 4th gen, I am a 3rd gen fan. IMHO, I have not seen any advantages of the 4th gen and the 4th gen may have some bugs to work out. Now, I only have 3rd gens. Maybe I would be happy if someone replaced my Glock collection with 4th gens, but as is the parts interchangeability makes me want more Gen3s.