Dissappointing CM9

[Raygun8189]

I finally found time to shoot my new CM9 last week. I followed all of the instructions in the Kahr prep guide. Cleaned it, racked the slide, lubricated, etc. I loaded the gun every time with the slide locked back. I used American made quality ammunition. I used the included 6 rd mag. After 500 rds I had numerous malfunctions. Some were so bad I had trouble locking the slide back and getting the mag out. A few times I was unable to pull the trigger on a fully load gun. It felt like something was inside the trigger mechanism.
This is not my first Kahr. I have previously owned a P9 and a MK9. Both were flawless from the start and I had no malfunctions during the break in period. I am really bummed about the CM9. The gunstore owner is taking it back and letting me trade it for a G27. He will be sending it to Kahr to see whats wrong with it. It figures after reading all of the glowing reviews on this gun that I get the piece of coal. Oh well.

[Bawanna]

I'd surely be interested to find out what it's issues were after the shop owner gets it back. We may never know. First one I've heard of that had any issue at all. That's usually the one I get. Don't know how you got it.

[jocko]

u could have been alittle more patient and let kahr fix if right, if something was wrong. u also could have come here and given this forum a good shot at helping you. .

[Raygun8189]

u could have been alittle more patient and let kahr fix if right, if something was wrong. u also could have come here and given this forum a good shot at helping you. .


I don't have patients for stuff like that. When I buy a brand new firearm I expect it to work right out of the box. We already have to put up with a "break in" period. I'm sorry but a gun should work when you buy it. I never had to break in my Glocks, Sigs or other guns. Even if I got it back and it seemed to be ok I would not be able to trust it. That's just how I am. To each his own.

[bonjorno2]

^^^ I agree it should work and is a pain in the arse, you should sell me that bad gun at half price and I'll take care of it for you! j/p best of luck and hopefully they get it up and running for you!

[jocko]

I don't have patients for stuff like that. When I buy a brand new firearm I expect it to work right out of the box. We already have to put up with a "break in" period. I'm sorry but a gun should work when you buy it. I never had to break in my Glocks, Sigs or other guns. Even if I got it back and it seemed to be ok I would not be able to trust it. That's just how I am. To each his own.

I wonder if you bought a new car and it acted up, if you think the dealer was going to give u a new kahr . I totally understand ur feelings but being an owner of a few kahrs, u must have felt they were great guns or why would u have bought another, and to my knowlegde this is the first or second cm9 to even have to go back to kahr. U probalby ought to stick with your glocks or sigs, great guns and we know they never fail . ur right to each his own and in ur case u did the right thing.:israel:

[jocko]

I'd surely be interested to find out what it's issues were after the shop owner gets it back. We may never know. First one I've heard of that had any issue at all. That's usually the one I get. Don't know how you got it.

we will never know either, now will we:boink:

[Raygun8189]

I wonder if you bought a new car and it acted up, if you think the dealer was going to give u a new kahr .


I never expected the company or the dealer to give me a new gun. It didn't work right, so I cut my losses and got rid of it. I don't have the patients to mail it out and then spend another 500 rds checking to see if it works right. Confidence is gone. The Kahrs I owned in the past were reliable. But they weren't my favorites so I did get rid of them eventually. I'm not bashing Kahr. I think they do make good firearms. It just so happens the one I got was a piece of junk.
The guy who sold it to me is going to keep me posted as to what went wrong. I will post the results.

[les strat]

I understand totally. If you do not trust it, move it on. You never want that question in your head with something you carrying to protect your (or other's) life, even if it something that can be fixed... if it bugs you, it bugs you.
That said, my CM9 had a couple hiccups in the first 50 rounds, then loosened up and shoots very reliably now.

[franco45]

Sorry to hear about your gun. My experience mirrors les strat's. A few ftf in the first 50 rounds, no problems since.

[CJB]

1. I followed all of the instructions in the Kahr prep guide.
2. Cleaned it, racked the slide, lubricated, etc.
3. I loaded the gun every time with the slide locked back.
4. I used American made quality ammunition. I used the included 6 rd mag.
5. I had trouble locking the slide back and getting the mag out.
6. I was unable to pull the trigger on a fully load gun.
7. It felt like something was inside the trigger mechanism.


Lets see if we can boil this down...

1. is good
2. is good, but.. did you use too much lube perhaps?
3. is good
4. "American made quality ammo" Is this name brand, or some large scale loader using new or re-loaded components?
5. is this due to a cartridge being stuck in the chamber? Failure to feed, jam on feeding, double feed? Case caught in the ejection port, failure to eject?
6. not good. Was the slide fully forward?
7. maybe there WAS something stuck in the trigger, as the mechanism, and the drawbar and spring are not sealed mechanisms. If you had shaved case or bullet pieces, they might have gotten caught in there

One scenario I see... the "quality ammo", if out of spec, was not allowing the slide to go fully into battery, jamming a case into the chamber, causing hard extraction/lock open, and playing fits with the trigger due to not being fully forward.

Total wild *** guess on my part.....

[RogerP9fan]

I was unable to pull the trigger on a fully load gun. It felt like something was inside the trigger mechanism.

This is exactly what i went through with my P9 last year and now my brand new CW45. The only malfunction my new little CM9 has had is "early slide lock back" which is easily resolved.

Sorry to hear you got the first CM9 lemon. I think I actually lucked out this time with the one Kahr I really like the most.
(Well, wasn't able to fire the CW45 to know that) , but anyway, I really like my CM9, it's a cool little pistol.

[WilliamG]

I'm curious about that "American-made quality ammunition"...

[jocko]

I think he means American brand ammo like winchester, remington, federal and not some of the wall foreign brand ammo which might indeed be OK but normally American brand ammo is good stuff.
I like CJB analysis, considering we never were really told how and why , what things were doing. A slide just a tad out of battery will cause light strikes, what causes that? certainly an out of spec round will cause it for sure. Anyway the fella took the gun back bought a glock and for me I hope it serves hm well. we will never know what was realy the issues either. Nice of the dealer to take the gun back to.

What opinions I or CJB or others havbe are now MUTE" AS the gun is gone..

[jocko]

Sorry to hear about your gun. My experience mirrors les strat's. A few ftf in the first 50 rounds, no problems since.

is golden..:israel:

[Raygun8189]

I think he means American brand ammo like winchester, remington, federal and not some of the wall foreign brand ammo which might indeed be OK but normally American brand ammo is good stuff.
I like CJB analysis, considering we never were really told how and why , what things were doing. A slide just a tad out of battery will cause light strikes, what causes that? certainly an out of spec round will cause it for sure. Anyway the fella took the gun back bought a glock and for me I hope it serves hm well. we will never know what was realy the issues either. Nice of the dealer to take the gun back to.

What opinions I or CJB or others havbe are now MUTE" AS the gun is gone..

The ammo was CCI 115 FMJ brass case. The slide fully went into battery everytime. As I said in a previous post I will let you know what Kahr says about the gun.