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[knkali]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43462051/ns/us_news/

I know if forum members were there picking up some tampons for their honey, things would have been different.

[mightymouse]

I regard pharmacies as high alert zones. Locally, we've had our share of gun point robberies.
Very tragic for those murdered.

[dss07]

"The victims whose lives were cut tragically short were killed for no apparent reason and without warning," Dormer said. "They offered no resistance and did not appear to provoke the assailant. They were all shot at close range."

Perhaps the best illustration I have seen in a long time of the seminal importance of our second amendment rights, and of deploying decisive, explosive, violent action (no warnings, opportunities to lay down arms, etc.) when confronted by armed scum like this.

But by the grace of God...

[Denny M]

It is almost impossible to get a CCW in the People’s Republic of New York. I read a report for George Mason University the New York ranked last in freedoms for their citizens. Consider the taxes and it is no wonder people are leaving N.Y. in mass numbers

[crazymailman]

"The victims whose lives were cut tragically short were killed for no apparent reason and without warning," Dormer said. "They offered no resistance and did not appear to provoke the assailant. They were all shot at close range."

Perhaps the best illustration I have seen in a long time of the seminal importance of our second amendment rights, and of deploying decisive, explosive, violent action (no warnings, opportunities to lay down arms, etc.) when confronted by armed scum like this.

But by the grace of God...

Well stated.

[paul34]

Perhaps the best illustration I have seen in a long time of the seminal importance of our second amendment rights, and of deploying decisive, explosive, violent action (no warnings, opportunities to lay down arms, etc.) when confronted by armed scum like this.



Unfortunately, New York believes it is above such silly documents. To be honest, the fact that NYC is considered to be the symbolic American city is quite ironic.

Such a tragic and senseless killing. I hear one of the victims was an 18 year old who hadn't even started college yet - shot in the face at close range.

[Willieboy]

My neighbor worked at a CVS pharmacy in a nice neighborhood that was robbed at gunpoint. The pharmacy had no security. She quit the next day. No injuries fortunately.

[TheTman]

That's horrible I hope they catch the guy and he gets what he deserves. Hopefully the cops will kill him in a shoot out and save the taxpayers some money, just hope no cops are injured.
It's sad what narcotics can do to a person. When they need a fix, a normally mild mannered guy can turn into a vicious animal. Maybe they ought to legalize the crap and tax it, and make it available to the junkies, then a lot of crime would go away.
A lot of burglaries and muggings and stuff can be traced back to people needing drug money. I hate to just give up like that, but we all know how bad prohibition turned out. People are going to drink or use, no matter what the law says. I think alcohol can be worse than some illegal drugs, certainly marijuana. You see guys get liquored up and want to go out and fight and cause trouble, while a marijuana user just wants something to eat, and "mellow out" for the most part.
I guess if a guy wants to throw his life away and be on that poison, then that's his business as long as it doesn't affect others. When a junkie has his fix, then he is pretty much "normal". Many Doctors are addicts and you'd never know it by their actions. My friends on pain meds, act normal, not goofy or high, it just helps them cope with their chronic pain. But they get really weird if they run out, and I stay away.
I guess a lot of anestheologists get addicted to the stuff they use to knock you out for an operation. And these guys have your life in their hands, a little too much of the knock out stuff and you never wake up, not enough and you wake up in horrible pain in the middle of an operation.
Our "War on Drugs" doesn't seem to be working out all that well, maybe it's time we looked at some alternatives. Painkillers do have a legitimate medical use, it's just some people want to abuse them to get high and get hooked. One thing I wouldn't want to see legalized is Meth. It has almost no medical use, and has ruined thousands of lives. Anyone caught selling or making that $hit ought to be taken out and shot. I don't know... I don't know what the answer to the drug problem is.

[knkali]

That's horrible I hope they catch the guy and he gets what he deserves. Hopefully the cops will kill him in a shoot out and save the taxpayers some money, just hope no cops are injured.
It's sad what narcotics can do to a person. When they need a fix, a normally mild mannered guy can turn into a vicious animal. Maybe they ought to legalize the crap and tax it, and make it available to the junkies, then a lot of crime would go away.
A lot of burglaries and muggings and stuff can be traced back to people needing drug money. I hate to just give up like that, but we all know how bad prohibition turned out. People are going to drink or use, no matter what the law says. I think alcohol can be worse than some illegal drugs, certainly marijuana. You see guys get liquored up and want to go out and fight and cause trouble, while a marijuana user just wants something to eat, and "mellow out" for the most part.
I guess if a guy wants to throw his life away and be on that poison, then that's his business as long as it doesn't affect others. When a junkie has his fix, then he is pretty much "normal". Many Doctors are addicts and you'd never know it by their actions. My friends on pain meds, act normal, not goofy or high, it just helps them cope with their chronic pain. But they get really weird if they run out, and I stay away.
I guess a lot of anestheologists get addicted to the stuff they use to knock you out for an operation. And these guys have your life in their hands, a little too much of the knock out stuff and you never wake up, not enough and you wake up in horrible pain in the middle of an operation.
Our "War on Drugs" doesn't seem to be working out all that well, maybe it's time we looked at some alternatives. Painkillers do have a legitimate medical use, it's just some people want to abuse them to get high and get hooked. One thing I wouldn't want to see legalized is Meth. It has almost no medical use, and has ruined thousands of lives. Anyone caught selling or making that $hit ought to be taken out and shot. I don't know... I don't know what the answer to the drug problem is.

While I do not agree with some of your generalizations about the medical field's professionals, the over all thoughts you expressed are progressive and certainly could be considered. It would be interesting to hear from the LEOs here if they feel legalization or decriminalization of these drugs would be of any value.

[mr surveyor]

While I do not agree with some of your generalizations about the medical field's professionals, the over all thoughts you expressed are progressive and certainly could be considered. It would be interesting to hear from the LEOs here if they feel legalization or decriminalization of these drugs would be of any value.




and why would the opinions of the LEO community be any more important than that of the rest of the American population (no offense intended to our law enforcement folks here)?

We have been fighting a losing battle with the "war on drugs" for ...how many generations? And, what we now have to show for it is the crap in our third world neighbor(s) to the South beginning to equal the playing field and turn us into Second world status.

Since we've (collectively as a nation) turned our parenting over to the mother sow, the war on drugs is a lost cause. I agree...Legalize all the crap and let those that wish to dissolve their limited brain cells do so... at their own expense, and get off the dole and outa the way. No welfare, no rehab, no handouts, no free rides.

surv

[kramm]

Give them what they want and as much as they want. Won't take long to thin em out.

[knkali]

and why would the opinions of the LEO community be any more important than that of the rest of the American population (no offense intended to our law enforcement folks here)?

We have been fighting a losing battle with the "war on drugs" for ...how many generations? And, what we now have to show for it is the crap in our third world neighbor(s) to the South beginning to equal the playing field and turn us into Second world status.

Since we've (collectively as a nation) turned our parenting over to the mother sow, the war on drugs is a lost cause. I agree...Legalize all the crap and let those that wish to dissolve their limited brain cells do so... at their own expense, and get off the dole and outa the way. No welfare, no rehab, no handouts, no free rides.

surv

Not more important but LE deals with the legality matter point blank(literally and figuratively). Their point of view could be insightful as to how and if their lives would change and what the impact of legalization could be to society in ways that might not be obvious to most. The average citizen doesnt realize how some criminal behaviors directly or indirectly influences other criminal activity. The average citizen doesnt deal with the junkie in such a close personal way as LEOs do. LEO's touch em with gloved hands, talk to them, arrest them, and see how they act/behave sometimes on a daily basis. Most citizens write the check so they dont have to deal with them on this intimate level.

I agree with you on the timbre of your post but I am not sure what you mean by "mother sow".

[mr surveyor]

Not more important but LE deals with the legality matter point blank(literally and figuratively). Their point of view could be insightful as to how and if their lives would change and what the impact of legalization could be to society in ways that might not be obvious to most. The average citizen doesnt realize how some criminal behaviors directly or indirectly influences other criminal activity. The average citizen doesnt deal with the junkie in such a close personal way as LEOs do. LEO's touch em with gloved hands, talk to them, arrest them, and see how they act/behave sometimes on a daily basis. Most citizens write the check so they dont have to deal with them on this intimate level.

I agree with you on the timbre of your post but I am not sure what you mean by "mother sow".


we have slowly turned over the majority of our self reliance and independence to the all too powerful federal government that now takes responsibility for our needs from cradle to grave. The majority of the citizenry in this country can still think and reason for themselves and doesn't always need someone "from the government" to help them understand day to day survival.

[knkali]

we have slowly turned over the majority of our self reliance and independence to the all too powerful federal government that now takes responsibility for our needs from cradle to grave. The majority of the citizenry in this country can still think and reason for themselves and doesn't always need someone "from the government" to help them understand day to day survival.


understood

[TheTman]

Knkali, I was just reading some articles about Doctors being addicted. In the UK, the number runs as high as 1 in 6. Another site said in the USA as many as 8000 Dr.s are getting some kind of help for their addiction (drug or alcohol or both), leaving an estimated 400 per state, still practicing. Dr.'s are as human as anyone else, and have a lot of pressure on them, and have easy access to drugs. I guess many of them find a Doctor friend and they write each other prescriptions. Another study I looked at suggested that many of the addicted Doctors, are Anesthesioligists, and Neurosurgeoons because they have easy access to the supply. Google "Doctors addicted to Narcotics" and you might be surprised at what you see. I had no idea this was going on until 60 Minutes did a story on it. I wonder sometimes if one of my Dr.s (ex Dr. I quit going there) is on something, he used to be real friendly and now is real short with you and gets you in and out as quickly as possible, no chit chat, you barely have time to ask a question.

A person dependent on pain meds, is perfectly able to hold down a job, as long as they have their meds to take, and can find a job that they are able to perform. My friends that take pain medicine don't appear high or goofy, it just takes the edge off their pain. I imagine if junk was cheap enough, some junkies might get jobs, others are going to continue to be low life scum, just like some alcoholics.
I've done volunteer work with alcoholics and addicts, and both are very similiar once they get physically addicted to the poision of their choice. Alcoholics generally have an easier time of it since their drug is cheap and available at any number of places, while people on street drugs, have to scramble around, pay large amounts of money for their fix, can't pass a piss test to get a job, if they wanted one, and often are left with criminal activity being there only option. People that get their pain meds through a Dr. have a lot easier time of it, they can afford them and don't need to commit crimes to pay for their dependence. I'm not saying if some of the stuff was legalized, all crime is going to go away, but I bet we'd see a big decrease. We're always going to have low-lifes that would rather steal than work. These are the guys LEOs mostly come in contact with. The street users. There are many other "addicts" they don't come in contact with. These are the "medically dependent". Both are the same thing, but one is legal, and the other isn't.
I'd would hate to see Meth legalized, instead they ought to just shoot anyone that sells it or makes it. That stuff has little if any medical value and has ruined countless lives, and is very hard to get off of it. I had very little success with meth users when I did my volunteer work. They just won't stay off the crap. About the only way to keep someone off that crap is to lock em up.

[knkali]

thanks for the edification on the docs. There is a lot to legalization than just making it legal. For example, where to we draw the line if someone is intoxicated or not. How much of drug X or Y is allowed in the bloodstream to drive a car or work with heavy equipment ect. We have those limits for alcohol but not other substances. How do we provide the drugs? Grocery store? What is the legal age? Can it be sold near schools and residential areas? How will it be taxed? Who will enforce these regulations? Speaking of taxed, dealers will probably still be around to avoid the tax for customers who are price sensitive(joke).

Just thoughts.

[Bawanna]

One reason our country is in the shape it is is our willingness to accept things we can't seem to fix because no one has the guts to get serious because of political correctness or similar things. We can't stop the drug problem so lets legalize it.
Rather than just accept this and take the easy but horribly wrong path we need to get serious with punishment to the whole drug trade, from user to dealer, to suppliers.
We read about the motions and the raids and all this stuff on tv but very little about any meaningful punishment and of course theres always another dirt bag to take the last ones place.
I think we're already on the road to complacency. Many officers don't even bother with small amount possession charges anymore, just take it and get it destroyed. No punishment, no deterrance.
I'm not real big on having teachers in school teaching after a night of smoking marijuana, or pills, etc.
The first step when I'm elected president is mandatory drug testing for all welfare or government assistance on all levels. Simultaneously all politicians would receive random and surprise drug test. Senators, Congressman, Governors, all the way down the line. One strike your out, including alcohol in the system during a session.
This would be everything from unemployment to disaster/flood/hurricane assistance. Drugs in the system, no assistance, game over......next.

[TheTman]

I imagine a most of your questions can be answered by how alcohol is sold in your state, or perhaps Medical Marijuana in those states that allow it. I guess on DUI's we'd have to go with the field sobriety tests, since an amount that will totally mess one person up will have no affect on someone that has a high tolerance. If you fail you field sobriety test, then I guess they'd have to pee test or draw some blood.
Probably about the same way they handle Marijuana DUI's. I imagine enforcement would default to the BATF, or the DEA. There will probably still be "bootleggers" around to go to when the stores are closed, just like there are in the city I live near.
I agree, a lot of thought would have to be put into it. One benefit I see is that the prisons would have more room for the violent offenders, with less druggies filling them up. Maybe this revolving door justice system we have would keep the violent criminals longer instead of releasing them to make room for the druggies sent there for simple possesion. We've all heard stories about people doing prison terms for possesion of 1 marijauna cigarette. That's just stupid. I know when I was doing Chemo, that marijuana was the only thing that kept some people able to have any quality of life at all. And the Doctors would just ignore that they were using it.

[knkali]

"Medical" marijuana has been around for a long time. THC the active ingredient has been sold by big pharma in it purified state for chemo pts for many years. Maybe the natural form is better? Dont know why the recent hub bub about medical marijuana is so news worthy. Hope I never have to find out if there is a difference.

[bonjorno2]

sad stuff like this happens

[yqtszhj]

The first step when I'm elected president is mandatory drug testing for all welfare or government assistance on all levels. Simultaneously all politicians would receive random and surprise drug test. Senators, Congressman, Governors, all the way down the line. One strike your out, including alcohol in the system during a session.
This would be everything from unemployment to disaster/flood/hurricane assistance. Drugs in the system, no assistance, game over......next.

I think we've found our man for 2012. Can you cut all the politicians pay to $20,000 a year and make them live in a dorm while they are in Washington also. Then the only ones who would run are the ones that really had the sole desire of helping the country.

We can let you stay in that nice White House until you finish your term though. Then we'll make it a museum.

[Bawanna]

I think we've found our man for 2012. Can you cut all the politicians pay to $20,000 a year and make them live in a dorm while they are in Washington also. Then the only ones who would run are the ones that really had the sole desire of helping the country.

We can let you stay in that nice White House until you finish your term though. Then we'll make it a museum.

Good thinking. I think we could still pay around 60,000 a year but no other fringes, back to the same Social Security program as the rest of us. No more jets for Pelosi or any of the others. The Dorm is an excellent idea.
We can make the White House a museum immediately, I don't want to live there after this crew but I would like a tour and maybe spend a little time in the oval office and admire that fine desk with the respect it deserves.

Air Force One won't see alot of air time as I'll be focusing on domestic affairs and letting the 3rd world countrys work on solving their own problems sans our money of course.

Wynn can maybe help me implement a new B52 bomber program as all further war on terrorism will be accomplished starting with major blanket bombing, sorry for the colateral damage but no more boys getting blown up with IED's and fighting non uniformed combatants.

I'll expect all the heads of state that our current poser of a CIC bowed to to smooch my backside on my turf not theirs.

[TheTman]

Bawanna, you think maybe you could institute a draft for serving in congress? I don't think anyone that wants the job should have it. You'd want to have to have certain qualifications for the draft, say...be a natural born citizen, preferably a property owner, someone that pays taxes for sure, and with a good dose of common sense.

[Bawanna]

Bawanna, you think maybe you could institute a draft for serving in congress? I don't think anyone that wants the job should have it. You'd want to have to have certain qualifications for the draft, say...be a natural born citizen, preferably a property owner, someone that pays taxes for sure, and with a good dose of common sense.

That didn't work for the president, what makes you think it would work for congress?

I think if we remove the freeloader I'm special status and make it so that good ideas really can happen in a timely fashion people might want to be in the congress for the right reason. Totally eliminate the this bill is for "US" and this bill is for "Them". No life long full pay for retirement.

I think we need a fresh start to begin with. Lots of how do we do this, not how did they do this. Somebody go get the constitution and read it to see how we handle this.

I would strongly consider reemplimenting the military draft especially for any person of age boy or girl not on a career path or going to college but that would be profiling so draft em all. Two years. Heavy emphasis on respect and history.