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Denny M
06-24-2011, 10:48 AM
Written by Jay Klein
Thursday, 23 June 2011 22:38
We, as licensed concealed carriers often wonder what we’d do if ever in a situation where we’re forced to draw our firearm to defend our family or ourselves. For Adam Fox, this situation became a reality on Friday, June 17 at the Sunoco gas station at Wayne Avenue and Keowee Street in Dayton, Ohio where multiple assailants attacked Mr. Fox while he was trying to pump gas into his vehicle.

While inside a Dayton gas station so he could pre-pay for his gas, Adam Fox was confronted by individuals who alluded that they thought his identity was that of someone named “Shawn” and tried to strike up a conversation. This actually is a common ploy among street criminals. As Mr. Fox left the building to begin pumping his gas, he was followed by one of the individuals who continued to want to converse with him. As his tank was filling, Fox recalled during his recent interview with OFCC’s Bill Kelley, that “red flags” were rising and sensed that while looking into the eyes of the man in front of him that things were about to “go south”.

During this same time the other assailant approached the pumps and then asked Mr. Fox to give them a ride, which he declined to do. Just as the car’s tank filled, one of the assailants (Brandon Turner) began punching Mr. Fox who then attempted to retreat into his car. “You’re not going anywhere!” one of them said as they pulled at his legs to try and drag Fox from the vehicle. Hanging onto the steering wheel with his left hand, Fox fortunately was able to retrieve his firearm from the center console of his car. Fox declared that he had a weapon in an unsuccessful attempt to back off the aggressors. Forced to fire, Mr. Fox discharged two rounds into the abdominal area of Turner.

Seeing an opportunity to escape, Fox fled the gas station in his car while dialing 911. He told the dispatcher of the events that just unfolded. The dispatcher explained that police were now on scene and that he should return. With his hands extended outside the window of his car, Mr. Fox waited for the police to approach him. Handcuffed and placed in the back of a cruiser, Fox was then taken to the Safety Building where he was questioned. Cooperating with authorities, Adam Fox was released a short time later. His firearm was kept with the explanation that he’d be able to retrieve it within a few days.

With a little time to reflect, Mr. Fox feels that under the circumstances, he handled things as well as could be expected. He expressed at one point he had concern that the assailants would try to take his firearm away from him. Fox has posted on the OFCC Forums http://ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53502&start=0 that he feels it would have been more advantageous if he had his firearm on his person rather than in his console.

Reported by local police, Brandon Turner is cooperating with the investigation and acknowledged that he and Billy Blackburn Jr. at the “spur of the moment” decided to attack Mr. Fox. Turner admitted that he was highly intoxicated during the attack, which police say is what prevented him from going into shock and dying on the scene after being shot. Assault charges will likely be filed soon on Blackburn and Turner; while Prosecutors at this time have no plans to charge Fox, as it was deemed justifiable self defense under the circumstances.

Surveillance video from the gas station found here http://fox.daytonsnewssource.com/shared/newsroom/raw_news/videos/vid_47.shtml

DT1993
06-24-2011, 11:55 AM
Mr Fox needs better SD ammo.

wyntrout
06-24-2011, 12:27 PM
He's lucky that he was able to reach his Console Carry Weapon. If it isn't ON your person, you are NOT ARMED!

Maybe he wasn't licensed for Concealed Carry. This would be a good reason to pursue getting a permit.

Wynn:)

aray
06-24-2011, 04:26 PM
According to this additional video, they claimed he did have a permit:
http://www.whiotv.com/video/28315602/index.html

This also speaks to the discussion we had a month or so back re: whether or not you should keep a round chambered. As the victim stated in the Open Carry forum, he would not have been able to rack the slide in that situation (he was holding onto the steering wheel trying to prevent them from dragging him out of the car) and credited the loaded chamber for his success in self defense.

Dietrich
06-25-2011, 06:14 AM
I`ve heard when you are under the influence of crack cocaine you are out of control and don`t know what you`re doing.It looks to me that both of those thugs knew exactly what they were up to and had planned it.They just didn`t plan on an armed victim.Keep your friends close,your enemies closer and you firearm even closer than that.

jocko
06-25-2011, 06:32 AM
According to this additional video, they claimed he did have a permit:
http://www.whiotv.com/video/28315602/index.html

This also speaks to the discussion we had a month or so back re: whether or not you should keep a round chambered. As the victim stated in the Open Carry forum, he would not have been able to rack the slide in that situation (he was holding onto the steering wheel trying to prevent them from dragging him out of the car) and credited the loaded chamber for his success in self defense.

good point!!

looks like Gov. Walker in Wisconsin is getting ready to sign into law their right to carry law. Now just leaves good ol Illinois who just thinks no one shold ber able to protect themselves..

Willieboy
06-25-2011, 12:25 PM
Given the large Democratic population on Chicago's south side, many of whom are carrying illegal weapons anyway, I think Illinois has its work cut out for it trying to pass CCW legislation.

wyntrout
06-25-2011, 01:49 PM
Some old posters:

jlottmc
06-25-2011, 05:04 PM
I heard over on TTAG that the DA is now pursuing charges because he posted. Should be a pretty easy case, but the fact that he has to have one at all should also remind us to ****, including online.

jlottmc
06-25-2011, 05:06 PM
Since when is Shut The (insert favorite expression here) Up a naughty word?

paul34
06-25-2011, 05:34 PM
Mr Fox needs better SD ammo.

The detective stated the cocaine and alcohol in the BG's system actually probably saved his life, because they kept him from going into shock immediately.

From what I read, he used powr ball. His pistol was a Glock 36. If I'm not mistaken, that's a 165gr round. I think there's much better ammo than powr ball out there, but at least it stopped the attack this one time. I hope the guy upgrades to a decent, modern hollow point in 230 gr in the future.