PM45 SD ammo

[10Kahrs]

I love my PM45 it's my favorite CCW. My only issue with a short barrel 45 is velocity. Now, I know alot of folks will say don't worry it's a 45 but there are other considerations such as expansion and maybe barrier penatration you just never know. Anyway, I stoke mine with Rem GS 185gr I find them to be most accurate out of any 45 ammo that I tried and the recoil is not an issue and the gold dots 185gr seem to be on par with the GS. Was thinking about trying the rem 185gr plus P. What do you guys use ? I know some of you guys have the means to do some ballastic phone book/barrier test as I don't have the property to try that yet. :D

[medezyner]

My preference is the Hornady XTP +P, 200 gr, I like the accuracy and the added velocity without a lot of reduction in mass. I’ve tried several 185 gr +P and a few 230 +p (Cor Bon, Hornady, Buffalo Bore, Remington) and keep coming back to the XTP. I shoot it well and that’s what counts. It has excellent penetration and expansion - a great combo. What works for me in my 1911A1 may not feel right for you and the PM45. My friend shoots nothing but Remington Golden Saber 185gr. +P and that one would be my next choice. When my PM9 comes in, I’ll do the same thing and run and run 5 or 6 different loads through it and see what feels and works right. I bet it won’t be the same load I use in the Glock.

[Mr. S]

When I had a Kahr P45 3.5" barrel I liked the Corbon DPX 185+p
(I also used the Taurus all copper 185 gr. standard pressure which uses the same Barnes bullet as the DPX but at standard pressure)
More info 185+p DPX info here:

Corbon (http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Corbon%20.45%20ACP.htm)


For the shorter barrel on the PM45 I would try the standard pressure 160DPX
Take a look at this page.

Corbon (http://hipowersandhandguns.com/Corbon%20160%20gr%20DPX.htm)

The downside is the DPX is expensive and to be sure your gun will feed it properly it will cost you some $$$

[10Kahrs]

Thanks for the info pretty impresive I will have to buy some and see how it feeds

[madwill]

hornady is making a 45 acp round in their critical defense line.

[jocko]

As does Corbon also make the pwoer ball in 45. Not sure how finicky the PM45 is either, Most kahrs are not ammo sensitive so if the PM45 is like the rest of kahrs, then any 45 defense round shold be great but if in doubt the power ball will feel super as will the critical defense als0. some 1911's are very ammo sensitive so the power ball was designed for those guns and worked very well also.

[wyntrout]

Jocko, I heard that Hornady had added a .45 ACP round to their Critical Defense offerings. I just checked and it's here Hornady Manufacturing Company :: Ammunition :: Handgun :: Choose by Caliber :: 45 Auto :: 45 ACP 185 gr Critical Defense® (http://www.hornady.com/store/45-ACP-185-gr-Critical-Defense/) . They use cannelured and crimped bullets to prevent setback. That sounds like a good thing for cutting down on setback.
Wynn:)

[varoadking]

Try the Speer short barrel JHP ammo. I don't care for PowRBall myself...way too snappy and very little expansion...

Ammunition To Go : 20rds - 45 ACP Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 230gr. HP Ammo [23975] - $24.49 (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php/pName/20rds-45-acp-speer-gold-dot-short-barrel-230gr-hp-ammo)

[medezyner]

Hmm, that Hornady Critical Defense looks interesting. Who's stocking it, or I should say who has it in-stock?
There are some that advocate checking with your local police/sheriff and see what brand they choose (possible defense detail in court). I'm not so sure that matters since many PD's buy what they can get in bulk at decent prices and it may not be the ideal round for your handgun.

[wyntrout]

I did a quick Google on HCD .45acp and saw it was being discussed as new mid-November and I checked my usual places to no avail. It's new and not widely available, yet... I guess.:typing:
Wynn

[medezyner]

Cruised through a few forums and found some interesting reviews of the Critical Defense round. I'm not sure how much I should believe, but there is some consern out there. Here was one forum:
KTOG Forum - Hornady Critical defense MANY FTF (http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1260995132/8)

Anyone else had problems with the HCD?

[jocko]

Jocko, I heard that Hornady had added a .45 ACP round to their Critical Defense offerings. I just checked and it's here Hornady Manufacturing Company :: Ammunition :: Handgun :: Choose by Caliber :: 45 Auto :: 45 ACP 185 gr Critical Defense® (http://www.hornady.com/store/45-ACP-185-gr-Critical-Defense/) . They use cannelured and crimped bullets to prevent setback. That sounds like a good thing for cutting down on setback.
Wynn:)

would think that should be an excellent round. One should not be getting any set back unless he continues to reload the same round time and time again, IMO.

There are better defense rounds than corbon power ball but certainly not a better FEEDING round, and many 1911's have that issue with defense rounds. I believe kahrs 45 are not any more ammo sensitive than any other kahr caliber, at least we have not read of the 45 kahr being that way..

[wyntrout]

Feeding is very important! When I got my K9 back in '98, the first thing I tried at the range where I bought the gun, was CorBon. I don't remember what version, but after having to help them chamber and then needing help to get a fired one out of the chamber, I gave up and tried something else. I ran across one other round that wouldn't chamber and I was able to return that at the Gun Show after trying to chamber one out in the parking lot. I'm not sure what that was -- Speer GD??
That's a great thing about this site -- lots of info and feedback to help narrow down your choices or reinforce your own conclusions. It's rough starting out with all of the choices these days.:)
Wynn

[MLG]

Cruised through a few forums and found some interesting reviews of the Critical Defense round. I'm not sure how much I should believe, but there is some consern out there. Here was one forum:
KTOG Forum - Hornady Critical defense MANY FTF (http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1260995132/8)

Anyone else had problems with the HCD?

I recently ran across reports of problems with the Hornady CD rounds and FTF, as well. Here are 2 of the links that I saw just yesterday. As luck would have it, I just bought 2 boxes the day before I saw these posts. I may try to take them back but if the Gun shop will not take them back, I'll shoot both boxes in my PM9 and report back.

I will carry the Speer Gold Dot 124 Gr +P or Winchester Ranger Talons 124 Gr +P

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=248097&page=2 (http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=248097&page=2)

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=20&t=82191 (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=20&t=82191)

[medezyner]

Thanks MLG, if you cant return and end up shooting them I'm sure there will more than a few members that want to hear how it shot in the PM9.

[wyntrout]

I chose HCD .380 ACP based on actual EXPERT tests of the gun I'm going to shoot it with. Check the reviews on Kahr -- lots of testing and reports on different ammo. I also just got some Buffalo Bore 90gr. .380ACP +P. I'll break in the P380, WHEN I get it and then test those two types of ammo for defense carry. Some of those guys complaining were shooting... or trying to shoot cheap guns... not Kahrs. You can get GOOD info on the 'Net, too. IMHO.:D
Wynn

[jocko]

I recently ran across reports of problems with the Hornady CD rounds and FTF, as well. Here are 2 of the links that I saw just yesterday. As luck would have it, I just bought 2 boxes the day before I saw these posts. I may try to take them back but if the Gun shop will not take them back, I'll shoot both boxes in my PM9 and report back.

I will carry the Speer Gold Dot 124 Gr +P or Winchester Ranger Talons 124 Gr +P

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=248097&page=2 (http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=248097&page=2)

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=20&t=82191 (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=20&t=82191)


kahrs are not ammo sensitive, but that being said, one can take 10 same exact models and sure as hell one will be ammo sensitive. Many times this can be sloved with some feed ramp polishing etc but sometimes one just has to give up on shooting that one brand of ammo that is not reliable.

I have shoot every kind of 9mm ammo that I can find cheap for range use and never to 147 grain even and they all just work great. I settled on 125 corbon hp and 124 gr gold dots . they IMO are six of one and one half dozen of the other.

for general range use, I don't care what grain it is, as long as it is the cheapest to shoot at that particular time. I cannot beat wal-mart 100 pak of WWB 115 grain fmj ammo price anywhere, so it is the ammo of my choice..

[medezyner]

You cant beat the bulk pack wally world winchester white box for RANGE ammo. I've shot the .45 and 9MM with almost zero problems...fewer probs than Wolf. It's not the cleanest (cleaner than Wolf) but I clean all my weapons after every session. If the cheap cost allows me to practice 20% more, I'm all for it.

[Gandydancer]

I useSpeer gold dot short barrel 230 grain

[CJB]

its a 45, use whatever feeds 100 percent