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I am so frigging angry at myself right now. Hopefully you guys will have a way out of this one. I'll start out by saying I am not used to slide pins, I'm a Glock guy so therefore the root of my foolishness on this one.
What happened was; I had the slide off my P380 and had the slide pin in place so I could observe how the rounds affected the slide pin when loading a loaded mag. As pointed out by a member here that was in fact the reason I was having continuous slide lock backs. Any way without thinking I put the slide on and racked it .Now it is stuck and I cant figure out how to get it off. Tell me I'm not screwed!
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l584/kcpafoa/kahrmalfunction001.jpg
knkali
06-26-2011, 03:00 PM
I dont think you are screwed just wait for someone to answer this. There is no way you can be screwed doing this but wait for help so you dont hurt yourself or the pistol
knkali
06-26-2011, 03:02 PM
I dont think the trig engages to fire the round in this position you have shown above but wait for others to be safe.
jocko
06-26-2011, 03:09 PM
u got the slide pin in wrong, u didn't lineup the those two witness marks on the gunb. If u look at your photo on the left side of the slide up front betweenthe P380 and Kahr is a little notch in the slide and now look at the polymer and the word Kahr, there is a mark over the letter . If u line those two marks up u will never do what you did again.
Here is the fix.
take a wooden dowel and on the right side where that slide lock pin is sticking out, just put that down right on top of that pin and then with a hammer hit that dowl hard and fast and the pin will pull out tothe left. Take the pin out and line up those two marks and reinsert.
You didn't break anything.
gun won't go bang either..
jlottmc
06-26-2011, 03:21 PM
What he said ^^^^^^.
u got the slide pin in wrong,
For clarification: I already had the pin the frame, I then slid the slide on over top of it.
jocko
06-26-2011, 03:34 PM
not sure how u did that but it will still pop out doing what I told you...
Pin is still in wrong.
not sure how u did that but it will still pop out doing what I told you...
Here's my fear want to clarify. My slide is frozen andwill not move far enough to line up to where I can safely punch it through. If you look at the pic I posted above, the little circular window where the one portion of the slide lock pin is supposed to go in cant be lined up, so This: http://www.kahr.com/getDynamicImage.aspx?width=100&height=88&path=Slide-Release-Lever902.jpg
little raised piece on the right side of the pin will be flush against the inside solid part of the slide instead of lining up with the window. Make sense or am I too nervous?
jocko
06-26-2011, 04:33 PM
I still think if u can see that pin on the other side, it will punch out, now if it doesnt stick all the way out on the right side but you can still see it, I still think that is ur only option. U have just locked it up where it seems nothing will move as the slide has rode up over that pin, which makes sense as to why it will not move
set the funb between to peaces of wood where the slide is resting on the wood and the pin is between the two peaces and live up a wood dowel if possable or if the pin is not sticking out on the right side than get a small punch that will go in that right side hole and line up with the pin and give it a good whack. The worst u can do is damage the pin and have to buy a new one but that pin itself is hardened steel so mor ethan likely you will take some finish off the end of the pin which some birchwood bluei9ng will tpouch it uip pronto. I would not try to pry the lever from the left side. forget aboput that circular window, if u could line that up u would not have had this issue..
BEARDOG
06-26-2011, 04:44 PM
Hi KC,
Ummmm. I don't think you want to drive that out with the slide lock inside the slide. It would at the least damage the slide lock half moon area, and could bend/gouge the slide.
First thought I can come up with... maybe it's caught on the cocking cam??? I don't have a P380 to look at, but looking at my CM9 I think you have the gotten the feed ramp pushed up against the slide stop pin and the cocking cam is behind the slide cover plate.
Try pulling the trigger and turning the gun upside down, and jiggling the slide, pushing forward trying to slide it off again????
Don't force anything yet. But maybe a gentle bump with your palm to the back of the slide while doing the above????
jocko
06-26-2011, 05:16 PM
with the slide stop in the gun that slide is not going to move.
another consideration, being that you slide the slide over the p;in and it is jamed. maybe a good rap on the back of the slide with a rubber mallet of a peace of wood on the backi of the slide and then a good rap with a hammer might just ride the slide right back over that pin. It ain't gonna come out talking about it. sooner or later one has to try what makes sense..
BEARDOG,
I tried that, no good. As far as pounding it out, it isn't coming out with out doing damage which I'm not willing to do. I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to send it in (which makes me sick!). As I told you on the other forum you were 100% right as to the original problem to which I say thanks again.
I'm going to wait for the return email from Kahr support regarding the original issue then I'll see what they have to say about this pathetic error. I'll post the results good or bad after its all said and done so others who aren't used to slide pins don't make the same stupid mistake.
BEARDOG
06-26-2011, 05:35 PM
KC,
I guess that's the safest way to go... and then they can fix the premature lock back's for you as well.
I think I would call and talk to Ian in service not just email.
jocko
06-26-2011, 05:44 PM
did u say the gun was loaded. ??? Not sure kahr will accept it that way.
jocko
06-26-2011, 06:20 PM
takeing ]my P380 apart and positioning it exactly like your photo, only not actually on the gun, the only thing that I can see that is locking that slide on is that interface bar on the bottom of the slide. Thereason it cannot go back further is that the pin is resing against the backside of thge barrel lub, I do not think the cocking cam can be interfering with the slide in any way. I stillthink if you give the back of that slide a good rap, not hand pressure but a hard fast rap it will move over that slide lock pin.
Chambers loaded...
The cam is holding the striker.
I think you'll be able to depress the ejector pin on the back plate, then carefully finesse the plate down a bit and finally off the slide without messing with the striker spring guide. The guide is plastic, it has some give and if need be it can be sacrificial (its cheap). My PM45 can be deftly manipulated to get the slide plate off...without messing with the striker spring guide, so the 380 ought to be similar.
Once you have that, then take out the striker spring.
Then take off the side plate - and manipulate the parts to clear the cam from the striker - with no spring its not going bang.
Then take the slide off, reassemble and you should be good.
did u say the gun was loaded. ??? Not sure kahr will accept it that way.
It's not loaded. I was trouble shooting the continual slide lock back by loading a full mag into the frame while the pin was in the frame to see if it was the cause and it was. It was after that that I made the mistake of sliding the slide on without removing the pin.
jocko
06-26-2011, 07:09 PM
cjb. I don't think with slide positioned where it is at,,, that one can remove that back plate. the gun is not loaded so that is a plus. does my thoughts on this sound feasible in that the interface bar (long bar on the bottom of the slide) is jammed over that pin? I don't think the cocking cam plays any part of his issues as the slide is not back far enough to engage the cocking cam to do anything, let alone pulling the trigger should release the cocking cam
I think u meant extractor pin and not ejector pin...
yqtszhj
06-26-2011, 07:54 PM
In fooling with mine I'm with the crowd and wonder if some combination of trigger pulled and tapping the back of the slide with a mallet would do it. Kinda like to get the slide off when disassembling it to clean. True if you could get the slide plate off the back you may be able to see what's going on too.
You know I think I did this before with a CW9 but I just cant remember. I don't remember if I had the slide stop in and racked it or what but I had it hung up the same way. I think I had to fool with the trigger while forcing the slide forward and I got it free.
Don't feel too bad. This stuff happenes to me all the time. but I learn a lot fixing the messes I make. I had a good boss at work one time that said "if your not breaking something every now and then, you're not working." I think you'll figure it out.
knkali
06-26-2011, 08:30 PM
I thought it was loaded! Can you pull the trig? If so give it a pull then a smack on the back of the slide.
It's not loaded. The trigger moves back and forth smoothly. I covered the end of the slide with a towel and placed it under the edge of a table while pulling up hard moving the trigger, nothing... still stuck.
gb6491
06-26-2011, 09:34 PM
Hi KC,
Ummmm. I don't think you want to drive that out with the slide lock inside the slide. It would at the least damage the slide lock half moon area, and could bend/gouge the slide.
First thought I can come up with... maybe it's caught on the cocking cam??? I don't have a P380 to look at, but looking at my CM9 I think you have the gotten the feed ramp pushed up against the slide stop pin and the cocking cam is behind the slide cover plate.
Try pulling the trigger and turning the gun upside down, and jiggling the slide, pushing forward trying to slide it off again????
Don't force anything yet. But maybe a gentle bump with your palm to the back of the slide while doing the above????
K.C.
I agree with BEARDOG's assessment: it seems you were able to force the slide rearward enough to cross over the cam and the cocking lobe popped back up behind the rear slide cover. Unfortunately, it also appears that the trigger is still disconnected by the slide.
http://i54.tinypic.com/o6kvb8.jpg
I think you have two options at this point:
1. Try forcing the slide further rearward so the trigger connects and will operate the cam. When this happens you should be able to pull the trigger, hold it rearward, and pull the slide over the cam and off the frame.
2. If you can't move the slide far enough rearward to connect the trigger, make yourself an "L" shaped tool (paper clip should work) and, space permitting (it will work on my CW9, but I don't know about the P380), wiggle it in under the rear of the slide and behind the cocking lobe on the cam. Once in place, try to force the cam's cocking lobe down by pulling the tool rearward. You'll need to manipulate the slide at the same time; both to give the cam enough room to cycle down and to get it off once the cam is down. I'll not lie and say it will be an easy dance, but it can be done.
http://i56.tinypic.com/120i2i1.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/25pl18l.jpg
Regards,
Greg
Edit: I see, that as I was putting my reply together, CJB also suggested this as a fix, kudos. His idea to remove the side plate to manipulate the cam is a good one.
cjb. I don't think with slide positioned where it is at,,, that one can remove that back plate.
My bad, you're right. I like the fish it out approach shown here - or maybe just remove the side plate, since its not loaded
TucsonMTB
06-26-2011, 10:17 PM
It's not loaded.
That's good news. The folks at Kahr can probably handle this better than any of us. And . . . they have spare parts if anything gets broken. This can't be the first time they have been asked to help with something like this.
Yeah, I know it's an affront to our pride, but that's an expensive little toy best left to the gunsmiths at Kahr.
yqtszhj
06-26-2011, 10:48 PM
I think GB has got it. This is about what I was trying to remember with my CW9 when I had the similar issue with the slide.
knkali
06-26-2011, 11:22 PM
K.C.
I agree with BEARDOG's assessment: it seems you were able to force the slide rearward enough to cross over the cam and the cocking lobe popped back up behind the rear slide cover. Unfortunately, it also appears that the trigger is still disconnected by the slide.
http://i54.tinypic.com/o6kvb8.jpg
I think you have two options at this point:
1. Try forcing the slide further rearward so the trigger connects and will operate the cam. When this happens you should be able to pull the trigger, hold it rearward, and pull the slide over the cam and off the frame.
2. If you can't move the slide far enough rearward to connect the trigger, make yourself an "L" shaped tool (paper clip should work) and, space permitting (it will work on my CW9, but I don't know about the P380), wiggle it in under the rear of the slide and behind the cocking lobe on the cam. Once in place, try to force the cam's cocking lobe down by pulling the tool rearward. You'll need to manipulate the slide at the same time; both to give the cam enough room to cycle down and to get it off once the cam is down. I'll not lie and say it will be an easy dance, but it can be done.
http://i56.tinypic.com/120i2i1.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/25pl18l.jpg
Regards,
Greg
One word about gregs post..........awesome I wish I could visualize what he would be fishing for with that tool. Heck, I just pull triggers.
MikeyKahr
06-26-2011, 11:25 PM
One word about gregs post..........awesome I wish I could visualize what he would be fishing for with that tool. Heck, I just pull triggers.
Professor Greg to the rescue!! :cheer2: Nice pics and post - very helpful. I just pull triggers too.
gb6491
06-27-2011, 12:22 AM
One word about gregs post..........awesome I wish I could visualize what he would be fishing for with that tool. Heck, I just pull triggers.
I'm all for pulling triggers myself:)
My concern is that the slide is not in the right position and will be pressing the trigger bar down, disconnecting the trigger from the cocking cam. If that's the case, then the cam will have to be manipulated by another means (in this case a paper clip). The tool is slid under the slide to hook the backside of the cam's cocking lobe. Once hooked, the idea is to pull it rearward, which will rotate it down and out of the way. Then the slide can be slid forward and off the frame. Sorry for not being clearer in my previous post.
http://i52.tinypic.com/1i25ts.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/2a5jqv.jpg
BTW, CJB is correct, the same end result could be accomplished by removing the side plate and manipulating the cam from there.
MikeyKahr,
Thanks:)
Regards,
Greg
jocko
06-27-2011, 04:03 AM
in his photo his slide is a 1/4" in front of those back rails, in GB p;hoto his tutorial slide is sitting on the rails. I would guess maybe 3/8" difference whenu compare . I think I would pull the side panel as one suggested to view to see if thatis indeed locking the slide and proceed then either way. I guess I am still undecided if indeed itis the cocking cam causing this as th eposition of his P380 slide at least to me does not indicate that. If the trigger is moving freely wouldthat not indicate that the cocking cam is moving also??
jocko
06-27-2011, 04:08 AM
in his photo his slide is a 1/4" in front of those back rails, in GB photo his tutorial slide is sitting on the rails( I realize different guns are picutred here to)I would guess maybe 3/8" difference when u compare . I think I would pull the side panel as one suggested to view to see if that is indeed locking the slide and proceed then either way. I guess I am still undecided if indeed it is the cocking cam causing this as the position of his P380 slide at least to me does not indicate that. If the trigger is moving freely would that not indicate that the cocking cam is moving also??
removing the side plate will allow u to look at what is going on but with the trigger bar in place that will not come out through the side plate, without removing the trigger parts, u cannot remove the cocking cam or any parts. U might be able to manipulate that cocking cam if that is the culprit but like Gregg stated u have to be able to move that slide a tad to allow the cocking cam to move, if the slide is locked that tight on the cam, then some force is going to be needed. I also think the reason the slide will not move one ioutta backwards now is that it is now forced back so far that the slide stop pin is now lodged right behind the barrel lug and the only way the slide can move now is forward. It just cannot move any further backwards...
In my opinion, unless some real forward force in applied to the slide, with trigger pulled and kept that way, the gun will need to go back to kahr, as quite possably some parts might even be damaged in trying to force the slide off the gun anyways. It's unloaded, it is safe to mail.
K.C.
I agree with BEARDOG's assessment: it seems you were able to force the slide rearward enough to cross over the cam and the cocking lobe popped back up behind the rear slide cover. Unfortunately, it also appears that the trigger is still disconnected by the slide.
http://i54.tinypic.com/o6kvb8.jpg
I think you have two options at this point:
1. Try forcing the slide further rearward so the trigger connects and will operate the cam. When this happens you should be able to pull the trigger, hold it rearward, and pull the slide over the cam and off the frame.
2. If you can't move the slide far enough rearward to connect the trigger, make yourself an "L" shaped tool (paper clip should work) and, space permitting (it will work on my CW9, but I don't know about the P380), wiggle it in under the rear of the slide and behind the cocking lobe on the cam. Once in place, try to force the cam's cocking lobe down by pulling the tool rearward. You'll need to manipulate the slide at the same time; both to give the cam enough room to cycle down and to get it off once the cam is down. I'll not lie and say it will be an easy dance, but it can be done.
http://i56.tinypic.com/120i2i1.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/25pl18l.jpg
Regards,
Greg
Edit: I see, that as I was putting my reply together, CJB also suggested this as a fix, kudos. His idea to remove the side plate to manipulate the cam is a good one.
I'll be looking into this as soon as I get home from work today, I'll post the results then. Thanks for renewed hope!
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l584/kcpafoa/kahrmalfunction.jpg
I cannot tell you how relieved I am. gb6491 you are the man! If they had a reputation button on this forum I'd bury you with rep!
This thread should be stickyed to help others out who make the same mistake. Thanks to all of you who contributed to helping me figure out a solution to my problem. I also happy to inform you that Kahr emailed me and they will be replacing my slide stop pin which was the original problem. Thanks again :D :D :D!
jocko
06-27-2011, 04:17 PM
thats why they call him the professor. He made a believer out of me a very long time ago. Nice job GB and also to u to K. C. for believing in him.
Bawanna
06-27-2011, 04:25 PM
I do love happy endings. Glad this one worked out.
Sincerely
Mary Ann.
knkali
06-27-2011, 05:07 PM
F'n A. Glad you got it done. :cheer2:
jocko
06-27-2011, 05:24 PM
now I have not seen that phrasing in years. F" n A was a real 60" term in my days..
joe d
06-27-2011, 05:51 PM
Just read this whole thread...Great ending !!! This forum is so awesome...Lots of help and advice from some great people...It's so encouraging to know that when I screw up,(and I will),There's always help and advice at your fingertips...Glad this worked out!
MW surveyor
06-27-2011, 05:59 PM
I've been following this since the first post and outside of wackin it with a dead blow hammer did not have a clue so I didn't post. Glad to read that it worked out for you and good to know that the forum members that contributed to your success.
Bawanna
06-27-2011, 06:37 PM
I hear ya MW. I was gonna suggest putting it in the china closet and letting the bull have his way with it but seemed like a lame idea. Has worked for me in the past though.
I don't know how many times I've wished I could hold the gun we're talking about around here. We got some pretty smart boys and girls around here.
+1 on the she sticky!!!!~
OldLincoln
06-27-2011, 07:24 PM
One of the takeaways is to get all the feedback you can BEFORE picking up a big hammer to pound on your gun. In this case, the paper clip was more than the sledge. I'm glad it worked out the way it did, as I try to finesse my way out of jams like this.
yqtszhj
06-27-2011, 07:32 PM
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l584/kcpafoa/kahrmalfunction.jpg
I FEEL THAT JOY!!!!! happy endings and excitment just bring tears to the eyes.
jocko
06-27-2011, 09:22 PM
GB. u should be able to just add this to your original cw45 fixes sticky.
You got it right and my compliments . Beats the hell out of a hammer anyday!!!
gb6491
06-28-2011, 01:47 AM
GB. u should be able to just add this to your original cw45 fixes sticky.
You got it right and my compliments . Beats the hell out of a hammer anyday!!!
I can do that.:)
K.C.,
I'm glad to hear you got your pistol up and running again ...and thanks.
Regards,
Greg
jocko
06-28-2011, 06:49 AM
Love K. C. poster, p[ctures are worth a 1000 words..
ricklee4570
06-28-2011, 06:56 AM
There is no other site (that I have found) with so many helpful people on it. If it were not for this site, I would have kept my Ruger LC9 and sold my Kahr PM9.
Now I feel so much more confident with the help available on here that I will get my PM9 running 100% right.
Many thanks to those on here who take the time to help others. Im sure there are countless others who read these posts and do not comment that are saved many headaches thanks to the expertise offered here.
jocko
06-28-2011, 07:10 AM
is ur PM9 not running right now???
ricklee4570
06-28-2011, 07:26 AM
I had to modify the slide stop for clearance issues with God Dot ammunition. I had another thread on it--thats where I learned of the modification to make. I also learned from here how to modify the magazines to clear the magazine release catch. I am taking it to the range this weekend to see if my handiwork pays off.
jocko
06-28-2011, 10:00 AM
ok, I see said the blind man. I willbet ur now good to go..
Bawanna
06-28-2011, 10:37 AM
I think this might be beneficial enough that it might be a good stand alone sticky material. It will be easy to find based on the title for those who do the same thing.
If you feel it's better in GB's previous fix thread we can remove the sticky and add it there. For now I'll hang a sticky on it.
wyntrout
06-28-2011, 11:01 AM
It's not always the Noobs that come up with inventive problems. I've tried to do the same thing, but didn't get a super jam. I realized I had left the slide lock in after testing magazines. I ALWAYS make sure the I get the slide lock pin through the hole in the barrel lug or the action link... on all types of pistols.
I'm glad that the Perfessor was able to help him and that there was no round in the barrel!:eek: It's great that he's gifted in video and photos as well. :):cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:
I still think about that case where the guy was having problems and tried chambering a round!:eek::eek:
Wynn:)
I stayed away from Kahr's just because of reports of them jamming up if not assembled correctly and, knowing me, I'd do it right off the bat!
Now I see that it's really not a problem.
socialwork911
09-10-2012, 06:55 AM
my problem w/the 380 I have is that the cam paddle will not let the slide go back on the frame. the paddle that the "clip hook" is on in these pics is stopping the rear of the slide to go on the frame...any ideas?
smokenjoe1222
01-17-2013, 05:57 PM
You guys saved me from having to ship my gun back because of this thread.
Also the idiot Kahar CS guy was telling me to use a hammer & I new that would not work.:eek:
Thanks again!:)
wyntrout
01-22-2013, 12:14 PM
my problem w/the 380 I have is that the cam paddle will not let the slide go back on the frame. the paddle that the "clip hook" is on in these pics is stopping the rear of the slide to go on the frame...any ideas?
I usually work the trigger a little... wiggle or lightly press and release the trigger until the slide moves freely onto the frame. Just keep a bit of rearward pressure on the slide, don't force it.
Wynn:)
jocko
01-22-2013, 12:41 PM
what wyn stated is the way to istall all kahr slides to. TheP380 squeezes alot of stuff in a smaqll frame and once u learn the technique, u willbe good to go. Practice does not make perfect, but perfect practice does.
This new cw380 has gotten me realy exicted. Last time I got this excited was when I heard Monica was in town. Just sayin:D
Windwalker
10-01-2016, 01:56 PM
I am new to the kahr line, having just acquired a pm9. I have read everything available ( including kahr talk) and watched every video, before I bought it. I followed all the break-in instructions (which were greatly appreciated). I have about 500 rounds down range (flawlessly) and have assembled and disassembled it perhaps 30 times; feeling rather comfortable with the process.
This week, after cleaning, I reassembled, racked it a few times, pulled the trigger, and no trigger pressure/click. I figured that the cam was in the wrong position and I would just start over with a disassembly. The slide is stuck. I can pull it back about 1/2inch. By playing with the trigger, I can pull the slide back all the way about 1 out of 10 times. It will only go forward about 1/4 inch.
I noticed that if I insert the magazine, I can rack it back, but nothing going forward.
I can replace the slide pin and then rack it normally, however, without any trigger action. The trigger travels the full distance smoothly, but it is disengaged.
I tried the paper clip trick hoping to move the cam, but with no positive result.
Should I send it back to Kahr? I'm not the handiest guy in town.
Windwalker
gb6491
10-02-2016, 11:20 AM
I am new to the kahr line, having just acquired a pm9. I have read everything available ( including kahr talk) and watched every video, before I bought it. I followed all the break-in instructions (which were greatly appreciated). I have about 500 rounds down range (flawlessly) and have assembled and disassembled it perhaps 30 times; feeling rather comfortable with the process.
This week, after cleaning, I reassembled, racked it a few times, pulled the trigger, and no trigger pressure/click. I figured that the cam was in the wrong position and I would just start over with a disassembly. The slide is stuck. I can pull it back about 1/2inch. By playing with the trigger, I can pull the slide back all the way about 1 out of 10 times. It will only go forward about 1/4 inch.
I noticed that if I insert the magazine, I can rack it back, but nothing going forward.
I can replace the slide pin and then rack it normally, however, without any trigger action. The trigger travels the full distance smoothly, but it is disengaged.
I tried the paper clip trick hoping to move the cam, but with no positive result.
Should I send it back to Kahr? I'm not the handiest guy in town.
Windwalker
There are more than a few things that can cause the trigger bar to not reset.
If you don't feel comfortable working on it, please do contact Kahr customer service about repairing it.
If you would like to give it a go yourself:
I'd first verify whether or not the trigger bar is returning to full height as can be seen by the disconnector's position in this photo:
http://i68.tinypic.com/ea1f1j.jpg
Obviously, this is best seen with the slide removed, but could also be verified with the side plate removed. Let's talk about the getting the slide off first.
The first thing I would try is to insert a tool into the magazine well to see if the trigger bar can be pushed into a position that resets it.
Run the slide forward and push the trigger as far forward as it will go. Now insert your tool of choice into that mag well and push up on the trigger bar:
http://i67.tinypic.com/2502vs3.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/2nrmznn.jpg
Try the trigger (it maybe necessary to keep pressure on the trigger bar). If it will release the striker, then proceed with disassembly using this technique.
If it doesn't release the striker, the slide can still be removed using the paper clip method.
This is not an easy dance. The clip must be positioned behind the lobe that engages the striker. That lobe is then pulled rearward (this will also require some downward pressure on the paper clip). When doing this during disassembly, forward pressure must also be applied to the slide. The slide will pop off/move forward when the lobe is pulled down.
http://i66.tinypic.com/16jqago.jpg
http://i65.tinypic.com/29m1t7o.jpg
If you can't get this to work, lock the slide back, then remove the rear plate and striker components, https://www.google.com/search?q=kahr+slide+disassembly&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=kahr+slide+disassembly&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)
It will be awkward with the slide on the pistol, but I believe it can be done.
http://i63.tinypic.com/eqv6o1.jpg
Continued in next post.....
gb6491
10-02-2016, 12:06 PM
Continuing on from my earlier post...
The trigger bar could also be checked by removing the side plate and this will probably be necessary anyway.
In theory, this can be done without removing the slide, but I've not tried that myself.
The reason I haven't tried it that way is I fear damaging the side plate. The side plate is held in place by a screw (or pin) in it's upper left corner.
http://i67.tinypic.com/mt5v0y.jpg
Opposite this pin/screw, the side plate has a tab that slides under the frame:
http://i66.tinypic.com/nf4q9s.jpg
Please note, the above photo is of a P380, their side plates do not have the next feature I'm about to discuss.
In the lower left portion of the side plate, there is also a ball/stud and socket connection that holds the plate on the frame.
http://i57.tinypic.com/2rzxgmh.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/xf6b6h.jpg
This connection is why I haven't tried to remove the plate with the slide on the gun. I prefer to slide a tool in from the the top of the plate to pop the ball/stud from it's socket and find this best done with the slide removed.
So to summarize:
Pull the pin/screw
Pop the ball/stud from it's socket.
Slightly lift the left side of the plate and slide the plate off to the left.
With the plate removed, check that the trigger bar will move upward under force from the trigger bar spring until it engages the cocking cam as shown:
http://i63.tinypic.com/t62ud3.jpg
Note that the photo also shows a correctly positioned trigger bar spring.
If all looks good to this point, check if the slide or side plate might be preventing the trigger bar from resetting.
Regards,
Greg
Windwalker
10-02-2016, 12:51 PM
Greg, as many posts have pointed out - you're the man! Heartfelt thanks from the newbie from Wisconsin.
Your first suggestion of going in through the mag well worked. The thoroughness of the pictures gave me enough courage to attempt it. The paper clip trick was not working for me. I am thankful that I did not have to go in through the side panel. It would have taken a great deal of bourbon to get up the courage and by then I would have lost all my limited dexterity.
All the pictures are incredibly helpful in understanding the mechanics of the operation.
I want to reiterate that the pm9 has been operationally flawless. I am elated with the purchase! Operator error is a different story!
I assume that I pulled the trigger while putting the slide back on, thereby changing the cam position. I will be hyper vigil in the future. Is there anything else that I could have done wrong, that may benefit other readers, as well as me?
gb6491
10-02-2016, 04:07 PM
Hey, glad it worked out for ya:)
I'm not sure I'd say that you did anything wrong:angel:
I would check a couple of things.
First check the disconnector for any damage/burrs/excessive wear, particularly along the outside edge.
http://i63.tinypic.com/2r6cha9.jpg
Then push the disconnector down and release it several times, check that it returns to full height each time without hesitation. Do this with trigger released and with it held back.
http://i63.tinypic.com/2hrd6wx.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/atn8sh.jpg
http://i68.tinypic.com/4idm69.jpg
Also check this area of the slide for any damage/burrs/etc. that might impede the disconnector:
http://i66.tinypic.com/20hm62p.jpg
Finding nothing untoward, I'd put a little lube on the disconnector and give it a good work out at the range.
Regards,
Greg
BTW, welcome to the forums :)
rwarren66
10-17-2017, 11:15 AM
Just did the same to my CW380. Slide release is stopped from going forward by barrel ramp and from going backward by the cocking cam.
Insert small flat screwdriver in to magazine well and push up on cocking cam, the slide will come off backwards.
Where did all the pictures go? This thread is helpful, but it would be a lot MORE helpful if most of its pictures hadn't disappeared.
My P380 slide got stuck like this too. Unlike the original poster K.C. back in 2011, I did NOT have the slide stop pin in mine at all. But as I reassembled my P380, the slide got stuck in exactly the position shown in his original photo. Trigger moving freely, striker clearly not cocked, slide stuck on something internally. I cannot fit a paperclip in under the back of the slide.
What worked for me, is to reach in through the magwell with a tool, and pull back on the striker to cock it. Then pull the trigger to release the striker, and pull the slide forward off the frame the normal way.
But when I try to reassemble this particular P380, OFTEN either the slide gets stuck again, or sometimes it's not stuck, but it will not go back on all the way! Note that when the slide stops moving, it is just BEFORE the slide stop barrel hole becomes visible in the slide stop window. So the slide stop cannot be inserted at all, because the barrel isn't far enough back on the frame for that. Interestingly, when the slide will not go back on all the way, reaching in through the magwell to cock the striker also fixes that problem, letting me reassemble the pistol. I can't figure out WHY this is sometimes necessary though!
Weirdly, I have a second P380 which never has this problem! So it's NOT just operator error. Visibly, the internals of the two guns appear identical. When I swapped frames and slides, the problem seemed to follow the bad pistol's frame, not the slide.
With the bad pistol, what SEEMED to help (but might have been my imagination) was not to baby the slide as I put it back on the frame, but to give it a good firm jerk all the way back, depressing the cocking cam (part 15) and trigger bar (part 13) all in one go, and fully racking the slide. Then let it return forward to the usual disassembly position, and insert the slide stop pin. Now that I've done that a bunch of times, the reassembly problem is happening LESS, but it still sometimes happens. I was going to take a picture of the bad P380 in its stuck position, but now that I have my camera ready I can't seem to recreate the problem...
Anybody have insight into what is/was going on with this problem P380?
Ok, the slide got stuck again, here's a photo:
https://imgur.com/a/XrogG7R
https://imgur.com/a/XrogG7R
topgun1953
07-25-2020, 12:15 PM
Make sure the guide rod is centered properly. Also, I've had a CW380 and a P380 on which the guide rod/spring created a flange on the polymer. You might have this flange yourself and are "hung up" because you can't get the guide rod base pass it. So....first off.. just look at the frame where the guide rod sits and compare it to your good 380. See if you problem gun's frame is "chewed" up in that area. If so, just cut it out with a knife. My recently purchased P380 did not have this happen.
weemsf50
04-22-2022, 07:25 PM
I have a couple of Kahr pistols, one is K9 Elite 03 and a brand new CM9 that I got today. Had a CW380 but my son talked me out of it. My Cm9 is a bear to reassemble. In fact, I could not get the slide back on without the magazine being inserted. I plan on shooting the gun 200-300 rounds before I take it apart again. Hopefully it will break in nicely. I plan on using it for CC use. As a pastor, I often need to carry with discretion. The CM9 will be my pocket pistol.
I bought the model with the front night sight. It is quite bright. Kahr pistols are great guns IMO. Triggers are all the same, nice smooth, long pull and break.
King Rat
04-22-2022, 07:41 PM
Not sure about my Kahr's, don't think I have had the problem. Have with other guns, and just pull the trigger and give it a good smack from the rear.
Here is a video on the Kahr, maybe it helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKpPaxXP3mU&ab_channel=TheMarimpietriChannel
http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?28565-CW380-slide-locked-shut/page2
I'm not sure I would shoot that gun yet. Did you by chance put the slide release pin in outside of the barrel lug?
Bawanna
04-22-2022, 10:51 PM
If he missed the barrel lug he won't be able to get the slide all the way on and probably won't be able to get it off without Gregs' technique thru the mag well or thru the back of the slide.
I had to do a couple co workers years ago, Greg as usual saved the day in getting them back on track. (and made me look good too, not an easy thing).
That's what I was thinking about Colonel. But I didn't recall that the slide wouldn't go all the way back on. Any ideas on this one? Is it possible the cocking cam won't go forward?
weems have you tried pulling the trigger while continuing to press it all the way back while you try to move the slide forward?
weemsf50
04-23-2022, 12:26 PM
That's what I was thinking about Colonel. But I didn't recall that the slide wouldn't go all the way back on. Any ideas on this one? Is it possible the cocking cam won't go forward?
weems have you tried pulling the trigger while continuing to press it all the way back while you try to move the slide forward?
Pulling the trigger does not make it move at all. When I stick the magazine in, the slide will then move into place.
What I meant was, can you pull the slide forward, off the frame if you press and hold the trigger?
getsome
04-23-2022, 06:34 PM
I got my PM9 slide stuck once because I messed up and didn’t get the rear of the recoil spring assembly in it’s happy notch-shelf and it took some cussing and working to get the slide back off but once the recoil spring was centered and level with the barrel it was fine but what I can’t figure out is why inserting the magazine changes things unless you got the slide stop pin into the barrel lug hole but maybe got it under the spring rather than in it’s slot which would be inserting the pin into the barrel kidney hole slot but not level with the frame but at a 4:00 position getting the slide stop spring in the wrong position…….You can drive out the slide stop with a punch far enough to clear the spring and try to reinsert in a proper, level to the frame rail position but if you haven’t inserted the slide stop pin yet and the slide got hung it it almost has to be the recoil spring assembly not seated correctly…….Good luck and if all else fails send it back to the mother ship and let Kahr figure it out…..
weemsf50
04-24-2022, 07:58 AM
What I meant was, can you pull the slide forward, off the frame if you press and hold the trigger?
No sir, not without inserting the magazine and racking the slide back first. Without the magazine, it has about 3/8" travel back and forth on the frame.
Quick search:
https://www.handgunforum.net/threads/p9-help-slide-is-stuck.25790/
There are a lot of possibilities out there, including sticking a wood or plastic dowel (or brass), down the barrel to provide leverage in order to free up a locked up barrel. Works for some, not for others. Kahrs are tight, as you can now attest to. Something not quite right during reassembly can lock up the barrel preventing disassembly.
We'll all be interested in the outcome of this for you. It's how we all learn, including those in the future that may find themselves in the same or a similar situation.
weemsf50
04-26-2022, 08:12 PM
Well, I took my CM9 out to my reloading bench and took it apart. When I replaced the recoil spring setup I pushed it very slightly off center, like the feed ramp is, and voila! Put it right back on and off with no more issues.
getsome
04-26-2022, 10:16 PM
That is good news weemsf50……..that guide rod assembly has to be centered and right on the notch to be happy……I made up so many new cuss words trying to figure out that very same problem with mine so glad you got it working again…….We all learn good stuff here……..
Bawanna
04-26-2022, 11:50 PM
Actually it needs to be perfectly parallel to the slide and in the notch. It's designed slightly off center which is what trips us all up some. Mine usually won't go on if it's the slightest bit off. No idea why it would go on with the mag inserted, no correlation there that I can think of.
weemsf50
04-27-2022, 08:55 AM
Well, I do have astigmatism...and, I am almost 69 years....
I'm just glad to be able to get it on and off without hanging up. Now to the range to break in my new CM9 and shoot my K9 Elite 03.
Bawanna
04-27-2022, 09:36 AM
I often times go to put the slide on and it won't go, take it off move the recoil assembly just a tad and try again. If it don't go pretty easy, just move it a bit and try again till it's where it will go. We're about the same age, just remember 68 is the new 25, or most of my people say in my case 14. Near deaf, eyes going, slowing down a bunch but still think like a kid.
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