Anti-gun Harbor Freight

[CJB]

From time to time, I buy tools from Harbor Freight. I like NICE tools, hate to get crap... but sometimes the intended use is either destructive to the tool, or its a one time use thing, or the price is just so much different, I take a chance.

As sometimes happens - their stuff is actually quite nice for the price, and I've left reviews. I never leave a bad review. I take a chance on their items, so expect to either be burned, or just return the tool.

Almost all of my reviews have been gun related. I've noticed other gun related reviews as well. Vanity being what it is, while leaving a review for some router bits this morning, I went to see what other folks had said about some other items I'd reviewed.

GONE. They "were" there, and now gone. I know that two of the items - a portable blaster, and an airbrush, had other "gun related reviews". They're gone too.

Just thought you'd wanna know.

[mr surveyor]

If the website is owned, operated and dedicated to the needs of Harbor Freight, which would normally be dedicated to reviews of products they might sell, why would you expect them to leave reviews of products not in their product line. I don't know, since I don't buy from Harbor Freight, nor have I been on their website. Do they also have reviews of automobiles, women's make-up, condoms or other items not sold by their store?

[BuckeyeBlast]

If the website is owned, operated and dedicated to the needs of Harbor Freight, which would normally be dedicated to reviews of products they might sell, why would you expect them to leave reviews of products not in their product line. I don't know, since I don't buy from Harbor Freight, nor have I been on their website. Do they also have reviews of automobiles, women's make-up, condoms or other items not sold by their store?

I THINK he's talking about reviews on tools used for gun related purposes. For example, when reviewing a precision screwdriver set "The small screwdrivers worked great for replacing the front sight on my Ruger MkII".

However, I'd be interested to know if they just take down certain gun related reviews, or others as well. I personally don't think it's fair to call them anti-gun without knowing all of the other reasons they may decide to take down reviews. I say this in part because while they have the option to post a "No Guns" sign in their local Ohio store, they don't exercise that right and instead welcome CCW in their store.

[mr surveyor]

I'm just becoming more and more aware of the knee jerk reaction we all tend to experience over nearly any issue that arises in this country that may be contrary to our personal beliefs. It's taken me 58 years to understand that personal freedom and personal liberty just "might" equate to one person actually offending another. Too damned bad! In the last 10-15 years the realization has finally began to set in on me.... I think I'm starting to lean Libertarian. In 1972 I cast my first vote for Nixon, and given the choices in retrospect I wouldn't have done any different (although, thank you nixon for giving us the epa:mad:). I have witnessed the "Southern Democrat" party (formerly very conservative) turn to the far left, and the Republican Party become the same as the former "Southern Democrats". Both D's and R's have tended to forget what personal freedom and personal liberty is all about. Offending and injuring are two seperate issues. If a privately owned business decides to operate in a manor that I find offensive, I can move on. If a business decides to post their premises off limits to licensed firearm's carry, it's my decision whether to do business there.

sorry...I got political... and at the most inopportune American holiday of the year;)


surv

[500KV]

Not sure about Harbor Freight's gun policy, they're not on this list, which I'm sure isn't all inclusive, but I have come to the conclusion that we can't exist on this planet without patronizing an anti gun company/entity in some way.

I know I can't because #1-I don't know who is and who isn't and #2-I will find it necessary to do business with an anti out of necessity.
I do avoid those that I'm familar with but it is rather inconvinent at times.

For example, the only birthday or greeting cards I see at my WW are Hallmark and I have to drive to another store a couple of miles away.

What do you all do about these things ?

http://gunowners.org/fs0302.htm

[CJB]

why would you expect them to leave reviews of products not in their product line..... Do they also have reviews of automobiles, women's make-up, condoms or other items not sold by their store?

I thought my post was unambiguous. For those in Rio Linda, the tools were in fact Harbor Freight products, purchased by me, from Harbor Freight, and I was happy enough with those tools to post positive reviews on the Harbor Freight website areas dedicated for those reviews.

Tools in question - portable sand blaster, spray equipment, air hose hardware.

Circumstance in question - I mentioned that the equipment was purchased for, and worked in an excellent manner for firearms finish preparation and application. There were a few other folks who also had the same stated purpose - whose reviews were also removed.

Hope that clears things up.


Too damned bad!

Sigh... I think you read into what I was saying a bit too deeply. I didn't really say, or infer anything, other than the reviews were gone. I once ran a public forum on the net. I wont say which, but it was larger than this one. Much larger. At the direction of the forum's financier, I was to keep things on a "family" level of decency. Had to eliminate some posts, had to delete some avatars, had to clean up some things. Way I saw it, was everyone was a guest, and the rules were posted. Dont expect to go to someone's party, and take a poo in the corner of the living room, and not get tossed out. I can't say if mentioning firearms was as bad as poo'ing in Harbor Freights living room, but the reviews did follow the rules and guidelines they publish.

Ok, so HF is apparently anti-gun. Other places are anti-this and anti-that. Since this is a firearms related forum, and I consider everyone here a friend of sorts, I thought I'd share that. What is done with the information is up to the individual. FWIW, I'll no doubt return to HF to get something of some minor importance, since they're local and cheap. He has no control whatsoever about it, but I'll mention to the store owner (stores are locally owned). And that's about as far as it will go.

[mr surveyor]

Thank you for the Rio Linda jab (I know the origin...been a Dittohead since 1989).

I still stand by my belief that they can run their website however they want, and I can choose to NOT do business with them (which I don't anyway). And, I respect your right to disagree with my opinions.

surv:cool:

[CJB]

Thank you for the Rio Linda jab.....I still stand by my belief that they can run their website however they want, and I can choose to NOT do business with them (which I don't anyway).

Awww don't worry Surv, I still luvs ya!!!!!

And we agree on everything after the word jab (up there) in the quote. Its not a matter if their entitled to their belief/opinion, but rather, what that belief or opinion is. Thats part of he simple beauty of the USA capitalistic way: They got their rights, and I got mine, and you yours too. That includes the right to believe a certain thing, and the right to respond a certain way, so long as neither trounces on the other guys rights in the process.

[Joe_Pike]

Buy tools from Grizzly. They have firearms on display in the store. They're ugly firearms with all of the gold accents and such but they're still firearms.

[TucsonMTB]

Yep! It svcks when a store you enjoy shopping in turns out to be anti-gun.

I just noticed a "No firearms" sign at Home Depot about a week ago. Yes, for some reason, I do tend to overlook signs and often need help finding things in the grocery store. Oh well. That's just me.

The Home Depot sign has probably been there forever, but I just noticed it. Since I usually pocket carry and all the people there are super friendly after all the years I have been going there, I will probably continue to shop there. But, there is an Ace Hardware nearby with no such sign that is now starting to get more of my business and at which I will make a conscious effort to shop first. ;)

It is also possible to have many Home Depot items delivered via UPS with little or no difference in cost (sometime they are even lower) compared to shopping in person. Home Depot currently has good prices on Werners' step ladders and my old aluminum number is too light to be safe. It will be fun to see how well UPS grapples with delivering an 8 foot fiberglass step ladder for only $11.47. Might be easier than loading it in my car. :D

[jeepster09]

Ok Ok .....so why does Walgreens sell gun oil and say no guns on the door????

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv276/jeepster09/gunoillube.jpg

[ltxi]

Home Depot here doesn't have a no firearms sign or policy. Neither does our local Walgreens. In fact, now that I think about it, I have yet to encounter any no guns signage in any business around here....suburban metro Denver.

[TucsonMTB]

Ok Ok .....so why does Walgreens sell gun oil and say no guns on the door????

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv276/jeepster09/gunoillube.jpg

Don't you remember anything your Drill Sargent taught you?! Sheesh! :D

[TucsonMTB]

Home Depot here doesn't have a no firearms sign or policy. Neither does our local Walgreens. In fact, now that I think about it, I have yet to encounter any no guns signage in any business around here....suburban metro Denver.
Considering that Arizona requires no permit for concealed carry, I was surprised to see the sign here. Guess that's why I never noticed it.

[ltxi]

Considering that Arizona requires no permit for concealed carry, I was surprised to see the sign here. Guess that's why I never noticed it.

But AZ did require a permit until recently. Did the change in the law perhaps include language that addressed or newly permitted no firearms signage?

[CJB]

Used to be many signs here in FL, but now that permitted carrying is common, and no old West shootouts have emerged, the signs have disappeared, except a few places.

If the sign says "No Firearms", I take that to mean that the establishment does not sell firearms!

[TucsonMTB]

Used to be many signs here in FL, but now that permitted carrying is common, and no old West shootouts have emerged, the signs have disappeared, except a few places.

If the sign says "No Firearms", I take that to mean that the establishment does not sell firearms!
I like that interpretation and will officially adopt it and the next family council meeting! Considering that I really don't look for the signs or modify my behavior when I do happen to notice them, that's the perfect interpretation. Thank you, sir! :D


But AZ did require a permit until recently. Did the change in the law perhaps include language that addressed or newly permitted no firearms signage?
The new law only struck the language in the original statute requiring a permit for concealed carry.

[jimbar]

Buy tools from Grizzly. They have firearms on display in the store. They're ugly firearms with all of the gold accents and such but they're still firearms.

Sorry, Grizzly is on my permanent "don't buy there" list. Has nothing to do with guns, just their "customer relations" attitude .

[CJB]

Got an eMail from the ILA Grassroots Division

"Dear Mr. (CJB), Thank you very much for contacting NRA-ILA and for making us aware of this situation. This type of information is extremely valuable to our research efforts. Rest assured that with your help, NRA-ILA will work to promote our pro-freedom agenda in Washington, D.C., and in state legislatures nationwide. Again, thank you for sending this information and please do not hesitate to share any of your thoughts or concerns in the future.

Sincerely, K(xxxxxx) C
NRA-ILA Grassroots Division"


A form letter if ever there was one!!

[Jeremiah/Az]

A "NO GUN" sign means nothing here in Az., except the official sign from the state displayed by their liquor license where liquor is sold. Any other posted business can only ask you to leave if they see your gun. You can be charged with trespass if you do not leave when asked to do so. Concealed means no one sees it!:D

[BBSky]

HF here sells the small quick access gun safes and also does not post against lawful carry, which they could do.
Doesn't sound like anti-gun to me.
I have found product reviews are heavily censored by many merchants.
Another forum I'm on had a thread running about Northern Tool deleting unfavorable reviews....
The Home Depots I frequent do not post against lawful carry either....

I'll have to check Walgreens for signs against lawful carry...I'm about to swear them off anyway, the company my son works for received a letter from them that if they weren't minority owned or had a certain percentage of minority employees they were no longer welcome as a supplier.
:confused:

[jocko]

screw walgreens, then let the minorities support walgreen and see how long they last.

ups sorry about that "screw" was not a good word , How about fokk um:w00t:

[DKD]

Amen to that JOCKO. You must be a blood brother from another mother.
As far as I am concerned if the illegals... as most of them are...can just pack up their ditty bag and head back to Mexico. I have to deal with that ilk daily in my construction business and it turns my blood hot. This is America by God, learn the language, pay the taxes, get nationalized, and assimilate or be gone!!!! and by the way I refuse to press 1 for English Jack Ass!
Now I feel alot better. :mad:

[jocko]

u could have save alot of typing by just saying FOKK THE ILLEGALS..

[BBSky]

Richland County SC, location of Columbia the state capitol, a couple of years ago officially had changed in racial percentages so that white people are now the minority.
FWIW the local branch of the company my son works for is in Richland County, so ironically- problem solved:D