Casey Anthony

[Willieboy]

Before leaving for church this morning I watched an hour or so of the Casey Anthony murder trial on Fox News. Such a downer. I hate to believe a twenty-two year old girl could be so screwed up she could kill her baby and then go partying. I catch myself thinking this could not possibly be happening. What has become of us?

About fifteen years ago I served as a juror on a murder trial. Eleven other citizens and I sentenced a 21 year old man to sixty years for murdering another young slug in a drug deal that soured. As much as this punk needed to be removed from the street for decades, having to be part of that decision has haunted me ever since. (At the time, my son was of similar age.)

I thank God I am not on the jury that is going to have to decide Casey Anthony's fate. What a world we live in!

[jocko]

guilty,

she will probably get life, which is fine with me. Lets hope the jury's today learned something from the O.J. trial.

[Willieboy]

Maybe if race is not an issue a just conclusion can be reached. Sadly, where race is involved, that seems to be the primary consideration.

[bonjorno2]

she is guilty, but i don't think they will find her guilty of murder.... people are soft now a days... i hope i am wrong. I have been watching this everyday because I've been off work the last month.... i can't wait for it to be over with today and in the jury's hands.

[CJB]

Cant say if she's guilty or not.

No cause of death.
Very little physical evidence that would actually be meaningful.
A lot of contradictory testimony.

I dunno everything, but I got a feeling her ol' man, the ex-cop knows a lot more than he's letting on.

If someone said - the kid fell in the pool and died, and Casey freaked, called her very controlling ex cop father, and he said "he'd take care of it" and "don't say a thing, and don't tell your mom!" and "go act normally".... I'd say they might have something there.

Perceptions of juries are a fickle thing. If she's found guilty, I can't imagine the death penalty based on circumstantial evidence.

The whole thing is a rather disgusting case.

[bonjorno2]

agreed ^^^ but these analyst have mentioned previous cases where there was less evidence and they were convicted and sit on death row

[jocko]

she should have testified, I think that will go a long way with jurors to, If I was facing the death penalty, what would I have to lose, expecially if I did not do it. course the reverse is ol BLAGO, he should have set quite through this last trial and he would not be going to Terre Haute, Ind, for at least 10 years and bunking in the same building as x-govenor Ryan, who is still serviing his 6.5 years. whose wife just died last weekand they would not let him attend her funeral..

my opinion, she will be found guilty but not sentenced to death, even if she was sentenced to death, by the time that time has come for her to die, the law would have changed in florida.

[Willieboy]

I've been watching the defenses's closing arguements and I think he'd doing a good job of calling into question the verascity of the prosceution's evidence. If I was on the jury, at this point, I would have reasonable doubt.

Like CJB, the father strikes me as a "wrong" guy. He just does not look or sound like an honest guy.

[jocko]

MY BET THE JURORS HAVE MADE UP THIER MIND ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. closing arguments are just that,,, arguments and the prosecutor gets the very last shot to.

[JFootin]

I know I am one of a large company of Fox News watchers who are changing channels or turning the TV off rather than participate in the insane, obsessive interest in every detail of that story, with normally balanced news coverage and commentary being sacrificed. I find Fox's obsession with this story to be just as sinful and perverse as those Jerry Springer rejects who are getting in fights while trying to get in to see the trial!

A brief mention of the verdict is all the coverage that should be given to it.

[500KV]

I'm with JFootin on the excessive hype concerning this circus.

I just loaded up and went out and burned two hundred rounds of .45ACP and 50 rounds of 40S&W.

Strange how it calms one's nerves.
Now the bad part...Cleaning.

[JFootin]

IMO you have the right idea for better use of your time! :59:

[Bawanna]

I have a bridal shower going on at my house (pray for me). I happily insconced in my man cave. Got 300 45's loaded so far with lots of time left.

Who's Casey Anthony?

[jocko]

INSCONCED????

OK, I give up, that is entirely to big of a word for u to be using bawanna. get down to normal so I can understand you...Websters's even says that is a word that western people try to use to show that they are smarter than the rest of us...

[Bawanna]

INSCONCED????

OK, I give up, that is entirely to big of a word for u to be using bawanna. get down to normal so I can understand you...Websters's even says that is a word that western people try to use to show that they are smarter than the rest of us...

That Webster dude was one smart cookie. That's exactly what I did. I don't know what it means either but it surely did make me look smart huh?

Bridal showers over, all gone. I survived. Chair battery dead from missions. all the food and stuff and here I am plumb starved. Need fuel. Life is good. Entering hell week now. Wedding saturday, then maybe a semi return to a normal life I hope.

[CJB]

Let us bow our heads in prayer for brother Bawanna, and beseech our Creator (or other deity of choice) that he survives the hormonal onslaught brought upon his humble dwelling by the double X chromosome crowd.

[Dietrich]

I can`t find my dictionary but I`m reasonably sure that insconced means firmly seated on the toilet.Glad to be of help.

[Bawanna]

I can`t find my dictionary but I`m reasonably sure that insconced means firmly seated on the toilet.Glad to be of help.

I thought that was enthroned but I could be wrong. Can't find my word book either, probably left it in the bathroom.

Interesting sucky story. In grammar school we had a teacher that made us close our eyes and open the dictionary in front of the whole class. Run our finger down the page and read the word and it's meaning.

I hit diahrea 3 days in a row. Third day I had to go to the principles office when I lost control and blurted out you gotta be shittin me! Teacher had no sense of humer and a temper like a badger.

True story. What are the odds.

[jocko]

bawanna there are no odds for you, u are one of a kind, u cannot predict with nothing to ever base something on, Why wold anyone doubt your diahrea thing.

Whats diahrea?? I must have an out of date Websters. course my dictionary was written by nuns, so u know some words just never made it into print. But I do remember seeing the word Jesus and Christ in their dictionary but one day at school my buddy next to me farted and I said Jesus Christ jake stop that and wow did I get my ass wipped over that. :popcorn::popcorn:

[Bawanna]

Let us bow our heads in prayer for brother Bawanna, and beseech our Creator (or other deity of choice) that he survives the hormonal onslaught brought upon his humble dwelling by the double X chromosome crowd.

Amen! I survived round #1. I think it's a 10 round match. Keep those prayers a coming.

[Willieboy]

Hey Bawanna, I like the writing in red in your signature line. Well said.

[OldLincoln]

And anybody who watched Chucky knows that's a bad idea!

[CJB]

Bridal showers, baby showers, Tupperware parties... if I'm present at any of those, I gotta squat to pee for a week!

Insconsed? I think thats the act of being force fed scones.....

[melissa5]

Bridal showers, baby showers, Tupperware parties... if I'm present at any of those, I gotta squat to pee for a week!

Insconsed? I think thats the act of being force fed scones.....

Women could pee standing up .....if we wanted to sprinkle on the seat and floor the way you guys do! :p

[Bawanna]

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Gender police! Keep your hands where I can see em. No gender wars on my watch.

I know a fella down the street, full grown man, my age. His wife makes him and his son sit to pee. What a wooosse, and to tell me this which I did not care the least about. Course now I have little room to talk but I have a valid excuse and my hormones are perfectly fine and dandy.

I'm gonna let ya off with a warning this time Melissa. Not playing favorites or nothing even though you are of course one of my favorites around here.

Incidently as long as we're gender jabbing here (hmm thats a combination) I work in the office with 8 women. Some of them are far bigger slobs than any guy I ever knew and I've known some slobs in my day.

Have a nice day, drive safe.

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[melissa5]

What! Did I just "piss off or on" 99% of the forum? :)

[Bawanna]

Now thats funny right there. Better to be pissed off than on I reckon.

[Dietrich]

Did you know that if you mix three parts water to one part urine it makes a mixture you can water azaleas with to make them grow big and full?I don`t know if you`re better off standing or sitting while mixing it though.Wheee!!!

[jocko]

that is not right diet,definitely not right, I have pissed off my back porch in pourng rain and it still kills all the grass. I think ur mixture is off!!!

[Dietrich]

I ain`t talking about grass I`m talking about azaleas and it works.Believe me.

[melissa5]

My dad used to pee around the garden to keep the deer away.

[JFootin]

Women could pee standing up .....if we wanted to sprinkle on the seat and floor the way you guys do! :p

If you want us to sit down to pee, we need an extra long toilet bowl and a seat with the gap in the front. Else wise, if you want us to use one of those dainty, short bowls, we'll be peeing on the front of the seat and on the floor in front of the toilet. Or, we'll scoot back so far trying to prevent this, that we'll poop on the back of the seat. :eek:

[Dietrich]

Well,I reckon this proves Casey Anthony isn`t high on the list of things that concern us,don`t it? Seems the conversation has kind of drifted.

[CJB]

Women could pee standing up .....if we wanted to sprinkle on the seat and floor the way you guys do! :p

There's a story there about a old GF's amazing ability with aim... but I'll not tell it.

And, all I know is the weeds around the edge of my pineapple patch are the tallest and fullest, and come back strongest, right at the back corner of the house where it meets the patio.... (ahem).

[melissa5]

If you want us to sit down to pee, we need an extra long toilet bowl and a seat with the gap in the front. Else wise, if you want us to use one of those dainty, short bowls, we'll be peeing on the front of the seat and on the floor in front of the toilet. Or, we'll scoot back so far trying to prevent this, that we'll poop on the back of the seat. :eek:

LOL! Please don't sit down!

Frankly, women ARE just as messy as men. I just wanted to poke a little at CJB. :19:

[CJB]

No disagreement from me there ma'am!

[MikeyKahr]

I ain`t talking about grass I`m talking about azaleas and it works.Believe me.

You would know, wouldn't you Dietrich!!

[Dietrich]

As a matter of fact,yes I do.Mrs.Dietrich grew some of the largest azalea bushes in the Raleigh area using just that method.Azaleas thrive in acidic soil and the acid in urine is like filet mignon and 6 layer chocolate cake to them.Biggest damned azaleas I ever saw.I used to kid her about her "yellow" thumb but the proof was in the pudding.A lot of people didn`t believe her when they asked her secret but the ones who did had a yard full of azaleas.So if anyone wants to grow some,my advice to you is to get yourself an old slop jar and start saving up.If you`re close enough to your neighbors,see if you can get them to chip in..If you have family close by,ask them too.The wife has already got 4 bushes started at our new place and there are more to come.Excuse me for now.I have to go drink some iced tea.A lot of iced tea.

[O'Dell]

I was going to ask 'who's Casey Anthony' then 'who the heck is Chuckie'. I have now decided I don't want my name anywhere near this conversation!

[Willieboy]

Good idea O'Dell. It seems rather unhealthy.

[jimbar]

that is not right diet,definitely not right, I have pissed off my back porch in pourng rain and it still kills all the grass. I think ur mixture is off!!!

I've pissed off a few people in my time, but never pissed off my back porch,.....just sayin'.....;)

[jocko]

oh yes and I manage to do both of those very well!!

[jocko]

can't believe they didn't find her guilty of at least aggravated man slaughter. someone killed that 2 year old and it seems she didn';t crawl in that damn bag herself. and who never reporeted their daughtrer missing to anyone for over 31 days. I just question how that stuff can be over looked and letting her off with just lying to police officers..

[wayneo1]

couldnt see how they could convict, they dont have any concrete evidence. Is she a bad mother, seems so, but being a bad, disgusting person doesnt mean your a murderer. So for the evidence I see it as fair.

[O'Dell]

As far as I know, none of us were in the courtroom for the whole trial. It's pretty hard to determine guilt or innocence when all the evidence comes from snippets of info and sound bites on TV.

[JFootin]

couldnt see how they could convict, they dont have any concrete evidence. Is she a bad mother, seems so, but being a bad, disgusting person doesnt mean your a murderer. So for the evidence I see it as fair.

The caveat is "beyond a reasonable doubt." That is what the jurors are saying: beyond a reasonable doubt, that is all they could find her guilty of. All the prosecutors could do was present the circumstantial evidence (some of it strong) that they had, and say what they THOUGHT happened. If there was no other plausible explanation, jurors might could have arrived at a different verdict, especially with the multiple idiotic actions of the defense.

It is what it is: blind justice. But there is a higher Judge who really knows exactly what happened. His justice is not blind, and it is always right. But His mercy is so much greater that there is a real hope of Casey asking for it and getting it. The woman caught in adultery is a good example. The Law said she should be put to death, but Jesus commuted her sentence and told her to go and sin no more.

[CJB]

The only truth we know for sure, is that somebody is lying. --- And I didn't need Yogi Berra for that one!

[500KV]

The only truth we know for sure, is that somebody is lying.
That's for sure..I would make only one small adjustment to your statement:

The only truth that we know for sure, is that everybody is lying.

[CJB]

I'll give you one more truth. For the rest of her life, Casey Anthony won't be able to fart in public without the media making something of it. Any traffic ticket, LEO will be on her like stink on poo. She lets her lawn grow too tall - instant code enforcement action. To paraphrase Harry Callahan, "if she lets her dog piss on someone's lawn", they'll come for her. She's a free ride to media fame, all you need is a reason to reach out and touch her. She doesn't have the Hearst resources to fade into relative obscurity like Patricia did.

[jocko]

cjb, is probably more on target than not. Public is never gonna believe she was not instrumental in some part of this fiasco, she will have to live with it and it won't be nice more than likely. which is fine with me

Ijust have a hard time understanding how she couldhave went 31 days and never reported her daughter missing and then came up with the stroy that some nanny took her and that didn't hold any watrer with the jury./ Hell she could have drowned the child in the pool and still called authorites and claimed it was an accident. Do u cover up an accident with a murder. Makes no sense.

[CJB]

Do u cover up an accident with a murder. Makes no sense.

If the accident carried a real stiff penalty, you might. For instance, say the child was alone for a long time, and did in fact drown. Say the child was floating in a pool for so long it was immediately clear, there was no reviving her with a call to 911. A panic call to dad, the ex LEO and strongarm of the clan. He knows the penalty is stiff - leaving the child alone, resulting in a death; not having the pool secure, resulting in a death; etc. Those are laws in Florida. So, there is some motive to conceal an accident.

How better to conceal it, than to just make the child disappear, or if later found, have it look like some outside source of foul play. Not saying _anyone_ was using their brains on this one, but... the motive to evade the accidental death penalty might have kicked in.

[jocko]

Well I ain't buyng into that scenario but again I was not on the jury or set there for 30+ days hearing all the b. s testimony from both sides. Probably had they not charged her with 1st degree murder and maybe manslaughter, a conviction might have happened.

Water over the damn now, , she is freeer than prison but society can be real cruel to.

[CJB]

Much crueler perhaps.

[jimbar]

I'm sad to say I watched a good bit of this circus,(I have no life), and I could never really trust her dad, George. Granted, this seems to be a really, really screwed up family, but I still am not 100% sure she did it. I know most of the circumstantial evidence points to her, I mean, what mom of a two yr old doesn't go beserk when their child is missing for 31 minutes, much less 31 days. That just don't compute.
But I just can't shake the gut feeling that George, and Cindy for that matter, knows more than they're telling. If I were on the jury, I'm not sure I could have convicted either. Regardless, I don't think we'll ever know what really happened to that baby girl.
I'll bet the Hollywood movie- makers are chomping at the bits to get this story on film, and Casey will be collecting the cash,.....sad,...really sad.

[Willieboy]

I have no life either Jimbar and I watched it too. I share your thinking as to her family and Casey's guilt.

For three years the media attacked Casey Anthony for her bad character and bizarre behaviour. The prosecutor's office gathered up head of steam and went out to make a big splash trying to make the facts fit their theory of the crime. Once goofy Casey was identified as an unsympathetic and convictable person, I don't know if any further investigation into what happened to Calley took place.

Had I been a juror, what would have influenced me came out during the final arguments of the defense. All Casey's friends and acquaintances described her as a loving caring mother. All the photographic and video evidence seemed to show a loving mother playing with and enjoying her pride and joy. So, how does a young mother, who has been loving and caring for her baby for two years, wake up one mornng and say, "Hey, I think I want more freedom. I think I'll kill my baby today." Makes no sense to me.

During closing arguments it was revealed the state did not have a complete autopsy conducted, i.e., they did not open the child's skull to see if there was evidence of suffocation present. Why wouldn't they do this if they were so confident Casey had suffocated Calley? Wouldn't they want that important piece of information in their bag of evidence or were they afraid the evidence would not be present and that would weaken their case. The defense did take that extra step and had a big time forensics guy do a complete autopsy, knowing if evidense of suffocation was present, They'd be hurtin their own case. The forensics guy did open the child's skull and did NOT find evidence of suffocation. The telltale sign of suffocation is a blue discoloration of the interior of the skull behind the area of the ear, that MAY have been there if suffocation was the cause of death. If the discoloration had been there, suffocation as cause of death would have been supported.

The defense initiated autopsy also showed ZERO signs of prior abuse: no prior bone fractures, no signs of joint torque, no bone bruising from prior injuries, NO evidence of past abuse of any kind. Again, how does a young girl go from being a loving mother to a child killer... overnight.

It was said on the news that oh so pious George Anthony brought his bible to the courtroom so he could, ostensibly, show himself to be a loving father prepared to pray for his wayward daughter as she is convicted of murder. But wait, Casey is acquitted! So, old George books, no longer so pious. IMO, this is a wrong guy who deserves thorough investigation.

Finally, when the jury delivered their three not guilty verdicts, Casey's reaction did not look to me as if she thought she'd really gotten away with something. To me she look like an innocent person, who'd been jailed for three years, who was finally vindicated. If I was guilty and acquitted, I'd have been thumbing my nose and shooting the moon to the prosecutor's desk, not crying like a baby in relief.

I am about as conservative as one can be, but I could not have found this kid guilty. Maybe I'm just getting too old to be hard.

Going forward, I hope little Calley does get justice and Casey Anthony can find someone who really cares about her and can get her life straightened out and make the most of this second chance.

[jocko]

this case is closed as was the O.J. case afte rhis acquittal. The prosecution felt she did it and they will look no further. Personallyt IMO she did it. Personally I don't have to be slapped in the face to know it hurts, circumstancial evidence is indeed evidence., Really a mute point now though, we cvan specualate, hammer the prosecution., all we want, ain't gonna make a hill of beans difference. Maybe her dad and mother know more about it to but I think they in the end tried to cover for her to, that is what moms and dads do, right5 or wrong that is what family's do.

Hell Susan Smith drowned her 5 kids and all the neighbors and friends said she was a great mother,never abusive, never even proved anything towards that. We don't knoiw whqt makes people snap. I can tell you one thing any mother who goes without her kid for 31 days and then lies like a damn rug about how she dissappeared, gets Zero CREDIBILITY FROM ME. I would have opted for manslaughter, but IMO she was 80% cupable, who knows who the other 20% was if there was any.

She will pay a hard price inh her future life, IMO, still doesn't solve the CRIME.

[MrToad]

Therein lies the rub, jocko. Unfortunately, the letter of the law and absolute justice don't always wind up on the same side of the fence.

[jocko]

probably right, it is evident that I must have been watching a different trial.

[aray]

Jocko, you weren’t the only one who was watching another trial.

A mother who's child had just drowned would not go happily shack up with her boyfriend that very same night. And the next night. And the next night.

A mother who's child had recently drowned would not get a tattoo that same month that said "Bella Vita” (beautiful life).

I know more than my fair share about computer forensics. Casey Anthony’s computer contained searches for “chloroform”, “neck breaking” and “chest injuries” in the month prior to Caylee’s death. Those searches were deleted in the obvious places most naïve users look (why?) but were available beyond dispute to those who know where/how to look. Casey’s mom’s tortured logic of confusing chloroform with chlorophyll notwithstanding (what – she made that same mistake 84 subsequent times, over multiple days?) Cindy Anthony’s work computer was forensically proven to show she was logged in to her account and active at the exact same time Casey’s computer was performing those searches. No such searches were done on Cindy’s own home computer or her work computer. Unless someone has invented a cloning machine, that sounds like perjury for Cindy, and murder for Casey.

Sure, people are used to CSI wrapping things up in a nice neat package, with no loose ends. Real life is rarely like that. But there is strong evidence, based on Casey Anthony’s premeditated behavior, that she planned then killed poor little Caylee. No other explanation fits the data.

Well, as others have said, there is another judge, One who really is supreme, and Casey will be unable to escape His ultimate judgment.

[O'Dell]

Can't argue with your last sentence, ARAY. You're exactly right.

I didn't see any of the trial, because I seldom turn on my TV. I didn't even know who Casey Anthony was when this thread started. However, it's my understanding that the jury did not determine Anthony was innocent. They just said that she was not PROVEN guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. Personally, I think they did their job. Perhaps juries should be given three choices: Innocent, Guilty, and I know they did it, but the prosecution couldn't prove it.

Also it's possible that the prosecution over reached by making this a capital case with the evidence they had available. The death penalty is sobering to juries and puts a lot of pressure on them.

[Willieboy]

Well, as others have said, there is another judge, One who really is supreme, and Casey will be unable to escape His ultimate judgment.


If she killed her daughter, I take solace knowing there will be another trial and a righteous judgement.

[MERCTECH]

Im just glad its over. Cant wait to not see on tv anymore. 13cfl news is ate up with it.

[aray]

Im just glad its over. Cant wait to not see on tv anymore.

I'm sorry to say it isn't over and you won't get your wish. Now the blood money from Hollywood and the media is coming out. Video, book deals, photos, etc. - all available for cash. Like OJ, this is the gift that sadly keeps on giving. :(

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/filthy_mom_shopping_around_for_pay_k3TWtR5EN7MZmZR dsX8oIM

[O'Dell]

Even with some financial windfalls, how many of you see a long and happy life for Casey Anthony. With her destructive personality, I doubt if she'll make fifty and it's not going to be easy life either.

[Thunder71]

I see potential for suicide actually.

[jocko]

Even with some financial windfalls, how many of you see a long and happy life for Casey Anthony. With her destructive personality, I doubt if she'll make fifty and it's not going to be easy life either.

for me, I could care less, if she lives to be 50 that is 48 years more than little callee.

[jocko]

I see potential for suicide actually.

she is to chicken sh-t for that. maybe she will dissappear AN NO ONE WILL EVEN WANT TO REPORT IT..

Let her live with one of the chosen "12".

[jocko]

I see potential for suicide actually.

better chance of finding her in a plastic bag with tape over her mouth and still to be declared a suicide:blah:

[jeepster09]

I'm sorry to say it isn't over and you won't get your wish. Now the blood money from Hollywood and the media is coming out. Video, book deals, photos, etc. - all available for cash. Like OJ, this is the gift that sadly keeps on giving. :(

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/filthy_mom_shopping_around_for_pay_k3TWtR5EN7MZmZR dsX8oIM



Speaking of OJ.....I heard he was quoted as saying he thought she was guilty.:eek:

[TheTman]

I don't have cable so wasn't able to follow all the info. But I was at a friends house when they read the verdict. My friend about crapped her pants.
I just hope the judge gives her maximum sentences on the stuff they found her guilty of. Prison isn't kind to child molester/killers.

[MERCTECH]

They did give her the maximum but with time served she only has to serve 6 more days. She has yet to see general population. She has been in solitary confinment for 3 years.

[jocko]

yes I think she is in for a surprise when she hits the public sector, be it a grocery store, movie theater, restaurant