Kahr PM9 vs. Walther PPS

[RogerP9fan]

Enjoy guys. From the one and only Hickok45. As always, an excellent comparison of two fine pistols.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53BL71s_Hc

[JimBianchi]

Hickok45 always has great vids!

[RogerP9fan]

Dare I ask in this forum which one wins? :eek:

[cw45fan]

He likes 'em both... As do I... ('Course if you're on a budget, a CW9 will fill the need too.)

[asparkoflife]

Hickok45 is great love his videos! Always a great source of info! I was going back and forth between the PPS and PM9 before I found out about the CM9. Went with the CM9 love it! Still like the looks of the PPS though!

[RogerP9fan]

My two Kahrs are sweet but I have a feeling I may be more accurate with the PPS with it's shorter Glock like trigger. I'm gonna practice more at the range with my Kahrs and see if I can pull up my low groupings.

[RUT]

>>Hickok45 always has great vids!<<

Indeed he does, and no matter which gun he picks up he hits what he's aiming for! :)

[WilliamG]

Hickok45 is a great shooter. He makes a point I FULLY agree with on the PM9:

If you're NOT going to carry it hot, get a different CCW gun. Racking this gun is not easy, and can easily get hung up on JHP ammo if not racked with extreme force. (Good luck doing that in a SHTF situation...)

[Rotorflyr]

Just my opinion, but if you aren't comfortable carrying "hot", do what ever it takes to become comfortable with it.

[WilliamG]

Just my opinion, but if you aren't comfortable carrying "hot", do what ever it takes to become comfortable with it.

Yep, agreed. And to do that, chamber a round and put it in your holster. It's the only way to get used to it. :53:

[JFootin]

Yep, agreed. And to do that, chamber a round and put it in your holster. It's the only way to get used to it. :53:

+1 on that! The Kahr trigger is designed such that there is no danger of you, the shooter, accidentally pulling the trigger. So, carry it hot and don't worry about it. But watch out around kids, friends or relatives; make it clear "DO NOT TOUCH THE GUN!" And if you remove it from your carry position, release the mag and clear the chamber. If you are going to leave it unattended, put the mag in your pocket so your stupid bratty nephew can't re-arm it! :der::53::eek:

[Mudinyeri]

Seems to me that the PPS and CW would be a better (closer) comparison in terms of size, weight, etc.

[Bill K]

Just my opinion, but if you aren't comfortable carrying "hot", do what ever it takes to become comfortable with it.

Amen! Saved my butt.

Concur with the rest on liking his videos even on firearms in which I'm not particularly interested.

[RogerP9fan]

Seems to me that the PPS and CW would be a better (closer) comparison in terms of size, weight, etc.Good point. But if u use the flush baseplate on the PPS, it's the same height as the PM9. You're right about length, weight being greater.

[WilliamG]

I simply could not get used to the ridiculous magazine release on the PPS. But to each his own. :)

[Mudinyeri]

I recently picked up a PPS 9mm in a trade. While I haven't gotten it out to the range yet, I've done some dry-fire practice with it as well as some mag change practice.

My first impression is that the trigger is way grittier and creepier than I expected. Before I bought my CW40, I tried out a PPS. I don't remember the trigger on that gun being like this one.

Secondly, the mag release is odd but I've developed a technique utilizing the middle finger on my shooting hand that allows me to easily and consistently drop the magazine. Dropping magazines has always been a struggle for me with the CW. I guess my hands are a little bigger than average and my shooting hand palm puts pressure on the back side of the magazine in my CW making it difficult to drop when utilizing a standard mag release position.

[RogerP9fan]

Everyone is telling me how well and accurately the PPS shoots. They tell me coming from Glock, it's only natural to choose the PPS for your slim single stack CCW. It's very shootable.
All of that may be very well true....but you know what? I shoot that little CM9 quite well indeed. It's smaller and lighter with the same capacity. Hmmmmmmm.....

[Popeye]

I have a PM9 and love it. A friend of mine has a PPS in 9mm it is a very fine pistol and I shoot it quite well. I personally like the looks and ergo's of the PM9 where I think the PPS is a bit of an ugly duck and I'm not sure I'm crazy about the location and operation of the mag release. The PM9 is smaller and I believe a little easier to CC. As I said though both are fine pistols.

[Bill K]

What are those bottles he shoots that spray and pin wheel?

[lslick23]

I owned a PPS 9 and I thought it was a great gun. It was sized right,accurate and I enjoyed the trigger. Unfortunately my experience ended with Walther refunding me after the 3rd trip back. It has a design flaw with that backstrap safety. If the mag isn't pushing hard enough on the backstrap to disengage the safety the gun won't shoot. It's a complicated design they need to part with IMO. I'll take my simple design CW9 over a PPS now.

[Popeye]

What are those bottles he shoots that spray and pin wheel?

More than likely cheap sodapop briskly shakin before shot. :D

[Mudinyeri]

I have a couple hundred rounds through my PPS now. The trigger has smoothed out considerably. I don't think the previous owner shot it much.

As far as my ability to shoot it accurately goes, that has also improved. During my first range session, it didn't point all that naturally for me. After another session, it's much more natural. Overall, I would say that I shoot it a bit more accurately than my CW40, at this point, and about the same as my PM9.

I really like not having to hit the slide release (or override the slide release) to chamber a round, initially.

[apdturbo]

pm9 gets my vote!!!!! not sure the cm9 was released when hickok45 made this comparison video. hickok45 is a great shot. i'm sure all of us wish we had a shooting setup like his. i have to drive 20 minutes to my closest range, everytime it feels like the longest 20 min drive of my life.