PM9 Any Changes 2006 & 2011

[MBFD]

I bought a used 2006 PM9. It looked so new that I didn't ask the question of what year it was made until after I bought it. Dealer told me that their have been NO changes between the 2006 and the 2011 models.
True?

Since I'm not the original owner do I have any warranty still available?

[E the B]

Not true. The 2011 version is reportedly 1/8 inch longer and the slide is chamfered at the forward end to ease holster insertion. I can't speak to the internals, but someone surely will.

That said, it's debateable whether this change is a true improvement. If the PM9 looks new and you got a good price, I'd roll with it!

[MBFD]

$460 W/box, 7 rd mag,6 rd mag, trigger lock, manual

[Dietrich]

Never fear,MBFD.I`ve sent a PM to my man Jocko.He knows a ton about these guns and will be more than willing to share his knowledge with you.

[MBFD]

Thanks

[jocko]

I am going to bet your pM9 has the blunt nose version of the slide, where as today the new model PM9 has the longer slide. I will also bet that your recoil assembly has the smaller washer type flat end of which probalby measures 3/8", which sometime in 07-08 they went to the 1/2" flat washer back portion of the recoil assembly. Both will work fine in ur gun, Why they made this change I think was that some of the recoil springs was riding over that 3/8" flatr end and the 1/2" took care of that little issue. Internals, back then you had the polymer magazine catch button, they again made a change to a MIM magazine button around 08-09. Again your can replace your polymer button with the MIM part and it will fit perfect. My thoughts are to, if this magazine release button is OK, then don't fokk with it.

Now what you can do that the new belevled slide owners cannot do is that you can go to wolffs gunsprings and just order the outter recoil spring for ur PM9 in the factory weight of 18# or the little stronger (which I recommend) 20.5# recoil spring. Order a 3 pak, saves money with postage etc. You have a forged slide lock lever but later versions kahr started to taper the end of the slidelock lever to cosmeticaly make it look nicer and supposably could help with some of the shooters who occasionaly hit the slide lock lever with their thumb and then pre engaging the slide lock lever. IMO it was all for cosmetic reasons and little value other than that.

IMO and this is just my opinion,,,, I have the blunt nose version PM9 like yours and I would not trade mine for 3 new version PM9 with the beveled slides which are longer and for right now also, YOU CANNOT BUY RECOILS SPRNGS FROM WOLFFS for it either. and also kahr now only sells the comeplte recoil assembly for all the new style slides, and old style slides,,, which is IMO a total rip off, as that all that is needed is the outter recoil spring to be replaced every 1500-2000 rounds.

Go to gunsprings.com and order a 3 Pak of PM9 recoil springs and while ur at it, order a 3 pakd of 5% extra strength magazinhe springs for your 6 round magazine and if u really want to tune up the pM9 order their 5# striker spring. It just drops right in and will not change trigger travel of 3/8" but will change trigger poundage downt o 5#. Really makes a nice neat set up..

Thanks Deit for the heads up on this !!

[MBFD]

The PM is on hold for four more days. So I can't look to see about the washer, mag release and spring.
Is the 1/2 washer something I can do?
Will there be evidence of it riding over?
Should I change it no matter?
If so, where do I get it?

All of those springs are a cheap t-up and I will get them.
Do I need a new Wolf guide rod as well?
Do I have a warranty?
Is $460 a good price?
It came with everything inc Kahr pocket holster (for sale).

I had a law enforcement priced new PM9 for $560 waiting and was just waiting for my credit card to cool off from my last purchase, G26.
I had just finished 3 hours of shooting with friends and was ready to go. They helped me make my decision. I don't usually rush into buying. But buying used means it might be gone tomorrow.

Thanks for your input Jocko.

[Bawanna]

The PM is on hold for four more days. So I can't look to see about the washer, mag release and spring.
Is the 1/2 washer something I can do?
Will there be evidence of it riding over?
Should I change it no matter?
If so, where do I get it?

All of those springs are a cheap t-up and I will get them.
Do I need a new Wolf guide rod as well?
Do I have a warranty?
Is $460 a good price?
It came with everything inc Kahr pocket holster (for sale).

I had a law enforcement priced new PM9 for $560 waiting and was just waiting for my credit card to cool off from my last purchase, G26.
I had just finished 3 hours of shooting with friends and was ready to go. They helped me make my decision. I don't usually rush into buying. But buying used means it might be gone tomorrow.

Thanks for your input Jocko.

You can swap the washer, it's actually part of the guide rod. Easy. You can shoot it to see if it works and if it does, dont worry about it. Or order one from Kahr and you'll get the new 1/2" style.
You have no warranty but most likely you won't need it anyhow. Don't sweat that. I think it's a good price if it's in decent shape as you describe.
Won't hurt to put a recoil spring in it since you don't know it's history. If it does have the plastic mag release you can make the call weather to swap it out or not. Again it may work fine as is. If not get it from Kahr with a guiderod if you have the smaller 3/8" washer.

[jocko]

The PM is on hold for four more days. So I can't look to see about the washer, mag release and spring.
Is the 1/2 washer something I can do?
Will there be evidence of it riding over?
Should I change it no matter?
If so, where do I get it?

All of those springs are a cheap t-up and I will get them.
Do I need a new Wolf guide rod as well?
Do I have a warranty?
Is $460 a good price?
It came with everything inc Kahr pocket holster (for sale).

I had a law enforcement priced new PM9 for $560 waiting and was just waiting for my credit card to cool off from my last purchase, G26.
I had just finished 3 hours of shooting with friends and was ready to go. They helped me make my decision. I don't usually rush into buying. But buying used means it might be gone tomorrow.

Thanks for your input Jocko.

the price is right.

the recoil rod, if it has the 3/8" back flat end on it, is OK, If you buy a new recoil assembly u will get the 1/2" size, but if it was mine I would shoot it with what is in there, quite possably it could by now have that 1/2" recoil assebly inh it. either way it is jo problem. I never had ever any troubles withy my 3/8" old style but when I did order a new recoil assembly it was the 1/2 new style, so my opinion.: If it ain't broke don't fix it. all parts u order from kahr, just go to their webb site and order the complete assembly, if u feel better about it, I think the cost is $24 for the complete recoil set. The recoil rod will last forever. Wolffs makes no recoil rod for the PM9, , no one does. Kahrs are the best, stick with them for sure.

You basically have no warranty as the gun is 5 years old or close to it. KAHRS warranty is 5 years.. Again u need to check to see if you have (and I know you do) the blunt noxe version PM9, as I told you, IMO that is the best gun for it is smaller than the new style PM9 with the extended beveled slide, which I never did understand why they even did this change. If you order a new recoil assembly from kahr, u will need to tell them yolu have the old style slide so that they send you the correct recoil assembly, If you have the blunt nose version slide, that outter spring should have 13 coils where as the new style now has 15 coils and it will not work in your gun. REMEMBER THAT.

The only springs u need for ur used kahr is the recoil spring and like I told you earlier, if you have the blunt nose slide, then just order the outter springs from wolfffs gunsprings in the factory wieight of 18# or the little stronger version of 20.5#. Even if you have the 3/8 size recoil assembly those wolffs springs will work perfectly. allu need is the outter spring. (wolffs makes kahrs springs, so you got the best)

It would be nice if you bought the gun to have a agreement with the dealer that if it doesn't work right, u can return it. It should be OK, u can't hurt a kahr by shooting it, just to well made of a gun. If you get the owners manual with it, READ IT AND THEN RE READ IT. There is a little trick to re-installing the slide lock lever and the manual tells you how to do it without harming anything. I bought my K9 used and it has never faltered once and it was 6 years old when I bought it. I had no warranty, I didn't care, as I felt if something was not right, I could take care of it.

Your police price on a new kahr IMO is alos excellent, consiedr this. you get 5 years warranty, two magazines, all the latest stuff is in that gun. Ur talking about a $100 different, a new recoil assembly if u need it will cost you $25 plus postage, you get a extra magazine with the new model and if this used one doesn'thave it with it, then that is another $40. Other than u will havethe extended beveled slide like all have now. I like the shorter version but I am old school, nothing wrong what so ever in the new slide.

If you had to pay one trip back to kahr on ur used model for what ever, it willeatup your $100 in a herartbeat, for postage and service work. I sure would want to shoot that used one before buying it or have some type of return policy. good luck.

PM sent :

[Jitterbug]

I have an older 2004 model PM9, and recently purchased a brand new model for the wife.

My 2 cents...if I could get your police discount on the new one I'd go for it.

On my older PM9, recently after about 1500+ rounds the plastic mag catch broke (wouldn't want this to happen at an inappropriate time, since the mag drops out) and I ordered the new metal one which popped right in for $13.95.

The new "old style" recoil assembly with the 1/2" flange (washer) works fine in my old model, however the outer recoil spring Kahr ships does not. I had to purchase new ones from Wolff, Kahr is very sloppy in regards to the outer spring replacement on the old model, in my opinion, having just dealt with it...threw $25 away on that deal and their solution wasn't satisfactory to me...I couldn't lock the slide back by hand and Kahr essentially told it was ok like that...NOT

The new Wolff outer recoil spring will work just fine on the old 3/8" flange recoil assembly.

Again...not a big deal, and I'm very happy with my old model PM9 and sure it's good for many more rounds, I considered selling it and updating to the new model, but have decided it's not worth the effort, my old model is just fine.

But for the $100 difference, considering your discount, you get the new model and a new 5 year warranty.

Jocko does bring up a good point about recoil spring replacement down the road, (changing the outer spring every 1000 rounds) on the new model your only option is pay the $25.00 for the entire assembly, as of a week or two ago Wolff was not stocking the new model outer spring, however I would expect them to at some time in the future.

When I ordered the outer recoil spring from Wolff it came with the striker spring and an inner spring.

MBFD, I hope this isn't confusing, it sounds more complicated then it is, just if it were me I'd spring for the extra $100 and go new. The PM9 will probably make a nice compliment to your G26, it's a notch down in overall size, weight and thickness.

I owned a G27 which I eventually sold, because there wasn't anything it could do for my personal CCW usage that the PM9 couldn't do better, with the possible exception of mag capacity.

[jocko]

If I was going to buy new, it would be the cm9.

Wolffs recoil outter spring will fit perfectly on the old style 3/8" flange and the 1/2" flange recoil assembly..

[DJK11]

I must comment on the Wolffs recoil spring and the new PM9 slide. I phoned Wolffs and asked about their PM9 recoil spring kit. I mentioned the old and new slide and 2 coil difference, 13 vs. 15. The Wolffs rep. said it will work just fine and I can't go by the number of coils. If it does not function properly, phone them and they will correct it or issue a refund or credit.

I purchased 2 sets. It takes about 10 min. to replace the springs and then just wait for the lock tite to dry. I have over 1200 rnds. with the Wolffs 20.5# setup and the pistol is 100% reliable.

In conclusion, regardless of other comments and opinions I have the PM9 newer slide and the Wolffs 20.5# springs installed and it functions fine.

Am I the only person on this site that has tried this set up?

[jocko]

ur partially right as the 13 coil springs will certainly work in the longer slide. That just is common sense, but the 15 coil kahr springs will not fit in tthe old blunt nose slide, and wolffs makes both springs for the kahrs. There is a difference or there would not be two different lenght coil count springs either. I have talked to the wolffs people about this and from what I got from them, they really didn't know there was now two different lenght PM9 slides or PM40 slides.

So yes it is working OK in your longer slide kahr as u have now installed the shorter recoil spring in this gun which IMO is not the correct thing to do. The inner recoil srings are the same for the short and long slide. It is the outter that is different. 13 coils vs 15 coils , one is longer than the other . Many have had the wrong recoil assembly sent to them for the older style slide and complained because they can't get it in the gun and kahr tells them to cut off a quarter coil at a time and retest. That tells me that kahr sent them the wrong outter recoil springs. He might have been partially right oin not countinbg on the number of coils but in this case they are wrong for sure.

I have found that it takes wolffs about a year or two to come out with their own recoil springs for we owners to buy. How long has the cw series been out???? HAVE we seen any wolffs recoil springs for any of the cw kahrs???NO and they make them for kahr. Kahr might just have a agreement with wolffs that they make their springs for their guns but cannot sell them themselves for a certain period of time. Surely the CW9 kahrs which is one of the most popular kahrs out there should have had recoil springs listed on the wolffs site..

[MBFD]

After reading all of your excellent/knowledgeable suggestions I have decided not to take possession of the 2006 PM9 for $460 and get the NEW PM9 for $560.
For $100 more I get everything NEW, improved, warranty and all mine.
Shoot Straight is willing to reimburse me 100%.

NOW - would anyone want to buy the 2006 PM9 W/Kahr pocket holster for $460? I've never sold a gun and don't know the rules to do so.
Sorry - I realize this is not the For Sale area.

Thank you all especially jocko for your support in helping me make my decision. Jocko 1/8 longer won't matter that much.

[jocko]

if shoot straight will take it back,I think I would go that way, save some hassle. I think you did the right thing, althoughI am so prejudice towards that blunt nose PM9, but you IMO did the right thing, U have the lastest of everything, 5 years warranty two magazines (although I think that extgended magazine is the most butt ugly magazine ever made) I would suggest u buy an extra flush fit magazine kand use the extened magazine for range use, . Some haveissues with thgat 7 round magazine so be alterted to that and if u do,u can call kahr and ask to send it back in exchange for a round mag.

You will shoot differently with the 7 round magin the gun as ur grip is now better fitting but IMO why is anyone buying this ultra compact gun toi stick an exztened magazine in it for one more round.If u can't do it inh 7 ur probably dead and if u feel you need more, then indeed carry a spare magazine. Indeed do the pre prep and lube thing found on the kahr tech section.

[MBFD]

I'm glad to hear that I did the right thing. Once SS said it was OK and that they could sell that gun for that price everyday it made it much easier for me to go with the new one.

Another question: for $40 more I can get the slide in black. Is this a desirable option? I know that some hate the two tone. I have two Sigs two tone and the G26 total black.

[JFootin]

Have you considered the CM9? It is every bit the same quality gun as the PM9, minus some things that you will never miss. Ask jocko. They are getting great reports and he recommends that you save yourself a lot of money tht you can spend on a couple of mags and nice IWB and pocket holsters!

[jocko]

I'm glad to hear that I did the right thing. Once SS said it was OK and that they could sell that gun for that price everyday it made it much easier for me to go with the new one.

Another question: for $40 more I can get the slide in black. Is this a desirable option? I know that some hate the two tone. I have two Sigs two tone and the G26 total black.

in my mind I would go for the dlc finish. It is durable as hell, looks nice. U did the right thing and your police price sure sounded good to me. Had it not been for such a nice price,m I would have surley recommended the cm9 for around $400.

[mightymouse]

I must comment on the Wolffs recoil spring and the new PM9 slide. I phoned Wolffs and asked about their PM9 recoil spring kit. I mentioned the old and new slide and 2 coil difference, 13 vs. 15. The Wolffs rep. said it will work just fine and I can't go by the number of coils. If it does not function properly, phone them and they will correct it or issue a refund or credit.

I purchased 2 sets. It takes about 10 min. to replace the springs and then just wait for the lock tite to dry. I have over 1200 rnds. with the Wolffs 20.5# setup and the pistol is 100% reliable.

In conclusion, regardless of other comments and opinions I have the PM9 newer slide and the Wolffs 20.5# springs installed and it functions fine.

Am I the only person on this site that has tried this set up?
This is good to know. Being a gear head, car guy first I'm miffed by spring lengths a bit longer shorter, a few more coils etc, not working. Length often has zip to do with spring rate, the actual tension applied to the mechanism. I've added shorter overall length and had my car sit higher, longer can be soft as butter, etc. Seems as long as there is no coil bind or stacking, the physical contact of all coils into a solid mass, then experiment away. This would be easy to measure before trying.

[TucsonMTB]

Another question: for $40 more I can get the slide in black. Is this a desirable option? I know that some hate the two tone. I have two Sigs two tone and the G26 total black.
If you prefer all black guns, it's a useful option. The surface of the DLC is rougher to the touch than untreated stainless, almost like parkerizing.

I have two PM40's one is two tone (untreated stainless slide) the other is black DLC (Diamond Like Carbon, I believe is Kahr's term).

When cleaning out the striker channel on the DLC gun the brake cleaner spray degreases the slide leaving it dark gray until it is oiled again. Paper towels catch and leave particles on the surface of the DLC. A soft tee shirt works better for the final run down. It is easier to grip DLC when racking the slide (but not enough to matter).

Overall, unless black is important, the regular stainless finish seems easier to care for. Mine only has two places where the black has worn off, the end of the slide stop shaft and a very small but noticeable scratch on the front of the slide that I cannot account for. My stainless gun with twice the rounds looks like new. Your mileage may vary . . .

Disclaimer: I happen to like shiny stainless guns. Not everyone does. The DLC gun is "growing on me". I have a blackening kit on order from Caswell's plating to handle the small marks in the future. ;)

[MBFD]

JFootin: for some reason the law enforcement price on the CM9 was only $100 cheaper, even though the MSRP is $200 more for the PM.
That $100 more for the PM gets me a lot. A second mag, all the cosmetic differences that make it a PM series and well it's a PM not a CM!

[Jitterbug]

My older 2004 model has the Black coating, personally I prefer Black, and I must say it is very robust, after 7 years of pocket carry and banging around as an all the time CCW the finish is still like new. Can't say the same for the night sights, which is a different finish and the black has worn off them.

When we purchased the wife's new PM9 she went with the stainless, the retail savings was about $70 and she just had to be different. I think the Bi-tone is sharp too, can't go wrong with either in my mind.

I think you made a good choice on the new.

[E the B]

IMO and this is just my opinion,,,, I have the blunt nose version PM9 like yours and I would not trade mine for 3 new version PM9 with the beveled slides !!

Now Jocko, you're obviously one of the top PM9 gurus here and I don't want to disrespect you TOO much, but if someone offers you three new models for your your older PM9, and you DON'T take them, I'll support you for President of the new Kahr "More Money than Sense Club."

IMO and this is just my opinion . . . ;)

E the B

[jocko]

probably right. more like 2 new kahrs with beveled slides. and I do have more money than brains, which isn't much either. But I truly do not like the new slides and I am in the process of trading my good friend out of his blunt nose PM9 that he bought used and never shoots it. Thats what happens when one gets older in life, they get set in their ways. I just alwasy wondered WHY kahr even did it. I never heard of one compaint on the looks of the kahr slides. so so similar to glocks slides, and I realize .20" is not much to talk about , but again, it is .20" longer than my PM9 and as u know .20 here and .20 there adds up0 to .40 and so on.

course as u know I am the minority in my opinion ... oh and I truly hate kahrs PM9 extened round magazine, but again it is my minority opinion-maybe...

[MBFD]

Jocko is it just the beveled nose you don't like about the new ones?

I haven't got my money from SS yet - will do that Monday - so the pistol is still mine if I want it. It seems most (including you) think I'm doing the right thing getting the new for $560.
Kind of surprised for that price ($460) I had NO takers on passing it on. If I pass up on it I would think you could contact SS directly and deal with them. It also comes with a Kahr pocket holster.

[jocko]

ur ding right in buying new, the price of the used PKM9 IMO is excellent but u basically have no warranty and whether u use if or need it, you have it in the new price. Yes to me it is just the beveled slide and as I stated it could be just my stubbornuss and old age to that I don't like change for change sake. I see no advantage in what kahr did, none that would ever convince me anyhow, some said maybe easier to holster. B. S. glocks have been being holsters for years witht he same blunt nose version, why change what works. But yes buy new when ever u can. Did u by any chance get to see and feel the kahr cm9 and do they offer a good police price on the cm9 kahrs by any chance. Just one super little gun.
Some also feel the blunt nose style is now old school and willnot buy it if they know about it, as if you ever had to have the slide rpelaced it wold be with the new style beveled version and that would also require a new barrel and recoil assembly so replaement would be expensive is such a thing had to happen. YUP BUY NEW.

[jocko]

ur doing right in buying new, the price of the used PM9 IMO is excellent but u basically have no warranty and whether u use if or need it, you have it in the new price. Yes to me it is just the beveled slide and as I stated it could be just my stubbornuss and old age to that I don't like change for change sake. I see no advantage in what kahr did, none that would ever convince me anyhow, some said maybe easier to holster. B. S. glocks have been being holsters for years witht he same blunt nose version, why change what works. But yes buy new when ever u can. Did u by any chance get to see and feel the kahr cm9 and do they offer a good police price on the cm9 kahrs by any chance. Just one super little gun.
Some also feel the blunt nose style is now old school and willnot buy it if they know about it, as if you ever had to have the slide rpelaced it wold be with the new style beveled version and that would also require a new barrel and recoil assembly so replaement would be expensive is such a thing had to happen. YUP BUY NEW.

[MBFD]

Read back a couple - and see abut the CM9

[MBFD]

Jocko - I went to Kahrs site to see the diff. in slides. I look at all the PM9's and they all have the blunt nose - it's not till I get to the CM9 do I see the beveled nose.
Is it just the CM that is beveled?

[jocko]

no, it is just kahrs webb site is using old pictures on new model guns. tells me that also some inside people don't know what is really going on sometimes. ALL PM9 AND PM40 kahrs now come with the beveled slide, like ur seeing in the cm9 photo.

[MikeyKahr]

Jocko - I went to Kahrs site to see the diff. in slides. I look at all the PM9's and they all have the blunt nose - it's not till I get to the CM9 do I see the beveled nose.
Is it just the CM that is beveled?

MBFD, the newer PM9s are beveled too. http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=5700&highlight=style+pm9

[TucsonMTB]

no, it is just kahrs webb site is using old pictures on new model guns. tells me that also some inside people don't know what is really going on sometimes. ALL PM9 AND PM40 kahrs now come with the beveled slide, like ur seeing in the cm9 photo.
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/241654000/241654048/pix848165343.jpg

Here's a more recent picture, borrowed from a GunBroker ad.

[jocko]

good man tucson, nice photo..

[TucsonMTB]

good man tucson, nice photo..
Thanks, Jocko! Ya' know, I also wish Kahr hadn't messed with the slide design. Yeah, I like my PM40's with their beveled front . . . but no more than the older design. Guess I am just an old curmudgeon myself. :rolleyes:

[t4terrific]

...order the outter springs from wolfffs gunsprings in the factory wieight of 18# or the little stronger version of 20.5#.
What is the benefit of using the heavier recoil spring? Can changing spring weight hurt the reliability of a PM9 that has been flawless to date?

[jocko]

some feel (like me) that little heavier spring is kinder to the gun, might be totally false. If u having no faults with the factory spring, indeed just stay with it and if u have the blunt noSe PM9 or pM40 u can just order from wolffs the outter spring,and buy in quantites of 3 or more and the price gets cheaper. Recoil springs are cheap in price, so replace as u feel the need. My comments on the 20.5# is mine no gospel as u well know. Wolffs offers that little extra weight for the old style PM9 and PM40. I shoot um, i LIKE UM, BUT MY kAHR IS MAGNA PORTED so felt recoil is kinda mute with me theory above.

certainly if ur gonna shoot hot ass loads all the time thed 20.5# spring should last longer also:blah:

[JFootin]

some feel (like me) that little heavier spring is kinder to the gun, might be totally false. If u having no faults with the factory spring, indeed just stay with it and if u have the blunt noSe PM9 or pM40 u can just order from wolffs the outter spring,and buy in quantites of 3 or more and the price gets cheaper. Recoil springs are cheap in price, so replace as u feel the need. My comments on the 20.5# is mine no gospel as u well know. Wolffs offers that little extra weight for the old style PM9 and PM40. I shoot um, i LIKE UM, BUT MY kAHR IS MAGNA PORTED so felt recoil is kinda mute with me theory above.

certainly if ur gonna shoot hot ass loads all the time thed 20.5# spring should last longer also:blah:

jocko, I have a couple of questions:


Can I put the 18# spring in my new CM9? (The reason I am asking is because my hands and wrists are partly paralyzed, and I almost need machinery to help rack my slide. My brawnier older brother can't hardly do it, either.)
If I can and do this, should I avoid all +p ammo? Or not worry about it because Kahrs are made to handle +p ammo, and I am not going to be putting 1000s of rounds through it like you?
I still have to do the break-in on this gun. Will the spring loosen up noticeably anyway?

[jocko]

u have trhe 18# in ur cm9 now. , u can't buy them from wolffs yet but your kahr factory srpings in the cm9 and PM9 (beveled slides) are the same . ur good to go. I trust with more rounds out of the gun it will get easier (somewhat). Kahrs are tight, I credit some of that to maybe such a short caspotice dual recoil assembly also and just also the nature of kahrs.

U have an issue that really IMO can't be addressed to, so for damn sure ur gonna need that slide lock lever as often as u can. Hell no shoot +P ammo, ur kahr and recoil springs are built for it. 99% don't change tothe heavier poundage of 20.5# and certainly all the new beveled slide kahr owners be they PM9 PM40 or CM9 can't go up in poundage anyhow as nobody makes the outter springs for the kahrs.

Think about this. All PM9 and PM40 hyav ethe same facoty 18# recoil springin them and the 40 cal is alot more felt recoil than the PM9 and no one complains. Ur good to go with what is in your cm9 and u should get a couple thousand rounds easily out of the recoil springs before thinking of replacing it. The sad thing right now is that cm9 owners alone with the new beveled longer PM9 and PM40 ownersw have no choice right now but to buy the ENTIRE RECOIL assembly from kahr at a price of around $25. A shame because at one time kahr used to sell us the outter springs only, as that is really all that needs changed,, for I think about 8 bucks. Wolffs makes kahrs recoil springs and my bet that eventually Wolffs will offer the outter recoil spring for the longer slide kahrs. They don't seem to get in a hurry though, so I amsaying maybe a year ot two down the road, when more cm9 and PM9 and PM40- new style get popular.

ur good to go, just shoot it like u stole it.


addition: since the above I have written to kahr asking why they will not just sell the outter recoil springs for all the PM9, pM40 and the CM9, as I felt it was a rip off to force us to buy the entire assembly when at one timne they use dto sell the old style slide owners the PM9 and PM40. My reply back was that they 'WILL LOOK INTO IT" So take that to the bank but don't expect alot of interest back from it. I think that is a kind way of saying jocko, "stuff it". its our business we will do what we want..:behindsofa:

I tried!!:32:

[JFootin]

u have trhe 18# in ur cm9 now. , u can't buy them from wolffs yet but your kahr factory srpings in the cm9 and PM9 (beveled slides) are the same . ur good to go. I trust with more rounds out of the gun it will get easier (somewhat). Kahrs are tight, I credit some of that to maybe such a short caspotice dual recoil assembly also and just also the nature of kahrs.

U have an issue that really IMO can't be addressed to, so for damn sure ur gonna need that slide lock lever as often as u can. Hell no shoot +P ammo, ur kahr and recoil springs are built for it. 99% don't change tothe heavier poundage of 20.5# and certainly all the new beveled slide kahr owners be they PM9 PM40 or CM9 can't go up in poundage anyhow as nobody makes the outter springs for the kahrs.

Think about this. All PM9 and PM40 hyav ethe same facoty 18# recoil springin them and the 40 cal is alot more felt recoil than the PM9 and no one complains. Ur good to go with what is in your cm9 and u should get a couple thousand rounds easily out of the recoil springs before thinking of replacing it. The sad thing right now is that cm9 owners alone with the new beveled longer PM9 and PM40 ownersw have no choice right now but to buy the ENTIRE RECOIL assembly from kahr at a price of around $25. A shame because at one time kahr used to sell us the outter springs only, as that is really all that needs changed,, for I think about 8 bucks. Wolffs makes kahrs recoil springs and my bet that eventually Wolffs will offer the outter recoil spring for the longer slide kahrs. They don't seem to get in a hurry though, so I amsaying maybe a year ot two down the road, when more cm9 and PM9 and PM40- new style get popular.

ur good to go, just shoot it like u stole it.


addition: since the above I have written to kahr asking why they will not just sell the outter recoil springs for all the PM9, pM40 and the CM9, as I felt it was a rip off to force us to buy the entire assembly when at one timne they use dto sell the old style slide owners the PM9 and PM40. My reply back was that they 'WILL LOOK INTO IT" So take that to the bank but don't expect alot of interest back from it. I think that is a kind way of saying jocko, "stuff it". its our business we will do what we want..:behindsofa:

I tried!!:32:

Thanks a bunch, jocko! :)

[t4terrific]

I would suggest u buy an extra flush fit magazine kand use the extended magazine for range use, . Some haveissues with thgat 7 round magazine so be alterted to that and if u do,u can call kahr and ask to send it back in exchange for a round mag.


I don't like the seven round magazines. I carry my PM9 in my front pocket, so the longer mag is useless there. For practice, using the longer mag would change my grip on the pistol. So, it's useless for practice. I figured the 7 rounder would be useful to carry in my other pocket, or glove box as a spare, but so many say they have feed issues using it.

All that made it useless to me. I called Kahr, and Ian told me to send it to the address on the back of the operator's manual. They then sent me a new 6 round mag (I would call it a flush fit, but Kahr's mags don't fit flush...unfortunately). They traded me a wasted mag for a useful one. Considering the $30+ price tag, and lack of inventory at Central Florida Gun Shops, on the 6 rounder, I must say it was a great deal.

Now, wouldn't it be great if someone like Wilson Combat would actually build a high quality magazine for the Kahr PM/CM9 pistols? Their 1911 mags are absolutely amazing, and Kahr's mags pretty much suck anyway.

[jocko]

I'm not sure kahrs magazines suck. other than that what u stated is deadon target. they would be betteroff giving a PM9 buiyter two flush fit mag and let him decide if he want the 7 rounder, . Most kahr owners have no issues with their magazines, what does, kahr takes care of...

kahr did u right with the exchange.

[TucsonMTB]

So far as I have seen, none of the Wilson Combat magazines are flush fit in anything they are designed for.

In fact, with their large base plates, most stick out much more than most of Kahr's magazines.

Yes, I would pay good money for a Kahr PM series magazine that fit flush in the grip and matched the grip's shape for a smooth appearance and pocket draw. Although some people here have done great things with adapted 1911 magazines for the .45 ACP Kahr pistols, I am not holding my breath that it will ever happen for the PM series in 9mm and .40 S&W. Oh, well. Most of us get along OK with the available products.

[t4terrific]

My Wilson Combat 1911 mags don't fit flush. They extend slightly, then add the thick base.

With the Kahr mag, I'm not as worried about it fitting "flush" as I am worried about them not fitting snug. There is too much gap between the baseplate and the end of the grip. The magazine moves around too much in the grip, up and down, and side to side. I would love to have a baseplate that snugs the mag up with the grip.

Also, the followers are brittle. I know first hand how brittle the followers are. My PM9 came with a broken follower. I removed it and was able to further snap it with my finger tips.

Finally, the magazine doesn't secure the top round well enough. It is allowed to move around in the magazine a lot. Too much, I think.

With my PM9, the ONLY complaint I've ever had has been magazine related. Otherwise, I don't believe there is a better comparable pistol on the market. I've shot a bunch of the competition, and wouldn't trade my PM9 for any of them.

I've always been a little torn on the MK9 though. I love all steel pistols. I chose the PM9 for the weight reduction. I do feel that I'm missing something on the durability, when comparing PM/MK9's, but it's a necessary trade for me. My PM9 rests in my pocket nearly every hour of the day.