dammit do what you're taght!

[newkahrowner]

Ok ive only been shooting since feb. but ive got over 1000 rounds between my cw45 and cw9! so i like to think i know what im doing?.
Heres how it went down, i was at the place by the river where i shoot, i have tons of empty green smal camping propane cans so i figured id shoot at them from 60 feet.
I was doing quite well, did i mention i just replaced the ejector,spring,and both pins in my cw9? Ok so i hit the last can i wanted to hit.
dropped the mag from the cw9, emptied remaining bullets from mag. put bullets in case where i had got them from, put guns in case and closed. (wait for it)
I clean up my mess and put gun case and bullets in the trunk of my lincoln ls, i just threw that in there because it gets better!.
I proceed to pick up my brass and leave. So i go to a friends to give him his 600 bucks i had in my pocket and he asked if i got the cw9 fixed so i say yeah ill show you what i replaced. I open the trunk and since he lives in a nice neighborhood i was going to take the slide off of the gun so i was not to offend anyone.
heres the good part. ok it really sucks!!!!!!
So i grab the gun and there is no mag in it. point it into the trunk remove the takedown pin grab the slide pull the trigger,(any guesses?) BAM!!!!!!! yeah i forgot to check for a round in the chamber so i shot a bullet into my trunk and it hit the gun case and hit my cw45!
i was all SCREWED up and had no clue what to do so i put the gun in the trunk checked for holes in the car and GTFO.
Heres the dammage. i lost 1 9mm and my new flush mount 45 mag which was empty in the gun thank god! and the bullet knocked the trigger bar cover off unharmed and bent the bejesus out of the spring. after close inspection the only dammage was the trigger bar spring because i found the screw that holds the cover on but its probably stripped now. so 10 dollars worth of parts later the cw45 will be fixed. now the reason i told all of this.
what size allen wrench does that screw take?.
Go ahead take your shots, i have no excuses other than not doing what i was told to do time and time again.
But in the end theres no damage to my car! i NEVER HAD THE GUN POINTED AT A HOUSE OR ANYONE! AND MY 400 DOLLAR GUN WILL BE FINE AND I LEARNED A VALUABLE LESSON THE HARD WAY!

[Suthrncop66]

At least it was a cheap lesson

[Bawanna]

Your not the first to do something like that. Many have done it before you. I'd be willing to bet a substantial sum that you won't ever do it again.
The fact that you followed the rest of the safety rules even though you stumbled on one saved the day, possibly somebodies life and who knows what possible property damage.

Hold your head up. LIve and learn. It takes a man to fess up to a mistake like that or many others for that matter.

I have a story to tell too but I'm not man enough.

[newkahrowner]

yeah the sad part was it was my ccw instructor that saw it but he said in the situation hat it was i.e. no one or nothing got hurt take it with a grain of salt basically and he also added he would keep his mouth shut for 100 bucks. haha
he also commented that other than not clearing the chamber he watched and said i did everything right.

[newkahrowner]

oh yeah i realized i spelled taught incorrectly after i posted this thread.

[jocko]

we won't live enough to make all the mistakes so we hav eto lear from "others" NEWKAHROWNER is only telling us what many have done and will never relate to a forum. Kudos to him. We shouyld learnb from this not judge him or others from it. We all make mistakes, some with guns, some with motorcycles!!!!, some with women, if you did all three then u should be looked at really closely by a good psychiatrists..

My appointent isnext Monday at 8 a.m.!!

[bigmacque]

I appreciate your lesson, as that sounds like a mistake all too easy to make and perhaps hearing that it has actually happened will help keep myself and others from the same error.

Glad no one was hurt.

[Diocoles]

Read this and reminded me of last night.
Getting ready to clean my AK. Had it up in the fixture and got distracted.
Came back and started in and had to say to myself, "follow procedure".
Checked and cleared again before starting.


This is a good reminder to keep following procedures all the time.

Glad no one was hurt.

Sorry about your .45 but it sounds like it won't be mad at you too long.... :rolleyes:

[TucsonMTB]

now the reason i told all of this.
what size allen wrench does that screw take?.

So . . . is someone going to answer the original poster's question and tell him the wrench size he needs or point him to the source of the information?

[OldLincoln]

>>after close inspection the only dammage was the trigger bar spring because i found the screw that holds the cover on but its probably stripped now. so 10 dollars worth of parts later the cw45 will be fixed. now the reason i told all of this.
what size allen wrench does that screw take?.<<

CW45 Trigger Bar Cover allen screw size?

It's likely a torq type and a #2. However, if truly stripped and the same setup as the PM9, the poly frame is what stripped and that's another story. I suppose others have patched that up but I wouldn't know how.

[frank_drebin]

Can you post some pictures of the damaged area?

[newkahrowner]

sure can, as you can see the magazine took all of the force out of the bullet, i put the plastic back where it needed to be for the cover to fit back on as it would from the factory. i should have the spring at the end of the week and will cycle some of the dummy reloads i made up to make sure everything is working fine before i attempt to shoot it!

[newkahrowner]

oh btw the screw is a t5 lol

[frank_drebin]

That's awesome! It's a keeper. You can make up a good story to share whenever anyone asks.


Maybe we should start a new thread where we can all help you with your "story". :)

[newkahrowner]

yeah i got damn lucky there was a magazine in it or else id be buying a new frame and going through the whole ffl crap again. i am however saving up for a 1911 so wish me luck lol

[newkahrowner]

ok cw45 that was shot with the cw9 update!
So i got the trigger bar spring in and installed it, and the trigger bar would not hold on to the firing mechanism, it kept dropping off of the bottom. so today i took the trigger and trigger bar out to find the bar was tweaked! i made some minor adjustments, polished it and the trigger put it back together and yay it works fine now so after shooting my gun like a ******* i was able to fix it for 6 bucks. im so happy now

[TucsonMTB]

I guess you paid your penance . . . :rolleyes:

Good job!

[newkahrowner]

took the cw45 shooting today and the results were not so good! the trigger isnt catching alot and now the takedown pin is comming out alot! im thinking one is causing the other but i will fix it trust me, i will fix it!

[frank_drebin]

If that were my gun I'd buy a trigger bar, spring, cam and cam spring. I wouldn't trust a reshaped trigger bar.

[newkahrowner]

ok i looked at the gun while racking the slide with the trigger bar cover off and saw the problem, made an adjustment and also adjusted the spring that holds in the takedown pin, i will go shoot tomorrow and we shall see but i will be ordering a new trigger bar!.

[LaP]

That's a valuable lesson for us all. As I've heard many times... if you follow at least one of the four safety rules, you can prevent personal injury to yourself and others. By pointing your firearm into the trunk, you assured that only inanimate objects would be damaged.
I'd say that you did well during a temporary lack of judgement.

There but for the grace of God go I.:o

[newkahrowner]

well the problem wasnt the trigger bar its the screw holding the trigger bar cover on being stripped and not holding the cover on causing the problem.

[TucsonMTB]

well the problem wasnt the trigger bar its the screw holding the trigger bar cover on being stripped and not holding the cover on causing the problem.
You certainly are charting new territory. I'm sure I am not the only one hoping that you find a good way to refurbish that threaded hole in the frame.

Please keep us posted. We'll be right here waiting to see how it goes. :)

[newkahrowner]

from what i can understand helicoil makes a thread repair coil small enough for this purpose but now i have to try to find one lol

[newkahrowner]

ok heres the deal, i put the new screw in and tightened the slide stop spring loaded the magazin fired 6 rounds as fast as i could and yay its fixed. thats all. oh yeah the new screw was purchased from kahr when i bought the trugger bar spring. i just didnt put it in when i found the old one which is visibly stripped. and after using my reloading micrometer the helicoils that mcmaster carr sells will not fit they are all too big!

[TucsonMTB]

Good news! Congratulations!

[jocko]

ok heres the deal, i put the new screw in and tightened the slide stop spring loaded the magazin fired 6 rounds as fast as i could and yay its fixed. thats all. oh yeah the new screw was purchased from kahr when i bought the trugger bar spring. i just didnt put it in when i found the old one which is visibly stripped. and after using my reloading micrometer the helicoils that mcmaster carr sells will not fit they are all too big!

that helicoils is needed or will work in that small of a hole. Just get either clear nail polish, or crazy glue and soakd the threads on that little screw and insert it in the frame. It will hold perfectly, but yet if needed still will break loose. There is zero pressure on that side plate and the above will hold perfectly. IMO ur going to way to much trouble even if heli coils were available.

If that screw was visibly stripped, no doubt that istheway the screw came and they just screwed inb a bad screw into good threads and caused your issue, certainly nothing you did wrong IMO BUT when they drill that polymer frame to accept those screws they actdually do thread that frame toaccept the screw, so IMO that stripped screw probalby destroyed what threads in the frame that was there, so I think I would still put some super flue there, to cover ones ass. I have never had my side plate off my kahr in 32,000 rounds. For me if it ain't broke, I don't fix it..

all this being said if the new screw is doing OK, DON'T MESS WITH IT. These other alternatives are just that "alternatives".

[newkahrowner]

uh jacko, did you read the whole thread? i did not take the side cover off! i shot the .45 with the 9mm because i didnt make sure the chamber was clear and the side cover went flying! so i was repairing the damage to the gun.

[newkahrowner]

besides i may be dumb enough to shoot one gun with the other but im damn sure smart enough to fix it on my own lol, when it comes to being mechanically inclined im a doer not a talker. not pointing fingers at anyone!