Carry Options For CM9

[JFootin]

I am licensed to carry, but don't have a lot of experience doing it yet. Tell me if I am off base. To me, concealed means concealed, hence my interest in tuckable IWB holsters and J-hooks (or even Velcro fastened to the back of my belt with nothing showing at all). But it seems that most of you don't go for the tuck option, just IWB and even some OWB holsters. And clips or belt loops are more common than J-hooks. Now, I know that quite a few of you are LEOs who carry Kahrs off duty, so complete concealment is not necessarily your intention, but a comfortable and secure carry. But what about the non-LEOs? Do you count on an untucked shirt or a jacket to cover the weapon? Or do you not care if the gun can be seen?

I know that many of you have been carrying guns for years, so I want you to share your wisdom concerning the subject of concealed carry. And, of course, I value any and all wisdom from our everyday heroes, the LEOs! Let me know why my thinking seems to not be shared by many who post about the holsters that they use.

[Barth]

I've carried a variety of weapons, a variety of ways, for 15+ years.
Here in steaming hot Florida I've settled in on front pocket carry.
DeSantis Super Fly or Nemisis holster - depending on the gun.

As for concealed means concealed?
Absolutely.
Please read your carry laws carefully.

[BuckeyeBlast]

The main thing you're going through is the same apprehension that we all went through when we started CCW'ing. What if it prints, what if it shows, etc. THE BEST thing you can do is buy a quality holster, and it sounds like you're on the right track. When I carry IWB, it's in a Crossbreed MiniTuck. If I'm wearing a golf shirt, T-shirt, etc, it's untucked. I find myself in a natural motion where I give my shirt a quick tug after bending over, etc to ensure that it's covered, but I do that without thinking anymore. I'm concerned about showing, but no longer paranoid. I wear tighter than average T-shirts and w/ a proper holster I don't print w/ my PM9.
If I'm wearing a dress shirt, then I will often tuck it in. Typically, I wear my dress shirt a little loose so that it hangs/folds slightly over my waistline and covers the clips. But in those situations I typically pocket carry and there's nothing to worry about.
Bottom line - I don't worry about the clips. People in public will never notice the clips unless they're deliberately looking for them, and those who actually know what they are will be pro-ccw people who are probably legally carrying themselves. I've never been spotted in nearly 10 yrs of CCW'ing.
If you're really paranoid about it, maybe this will help... I experimented with one standard clip on the front of my holster and one hidden clip on the rear. I would cover the exposed clip w/ cell phone holster attached to my belt. It may give you an added level of comfort until you're more used to it. Me, I switched back to both standard clips. If I'm in a situation where I'm that concerned about showing, I pocket carry my P380 instead of carrying my PM9 IWB.
http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a453/RightClickError/Gun%20Stuff/PICT0092.jpg
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[Dietrich]

I wear an untucked Guy Harvey tee-shirt and cargo shorts/pants in the summer and that wardrobe works well for IWB carry.I too,use a Crossbreed holster for concealed carry,whether I`m carrying a PM9 or a Glock model 30.I was very antsy when I first started carrying but the fact of the matter is that people really aren`t all that observant.I don`t worry about the gun showing when I`m dressed as I previously stated because it isn`t going to.As far as slightly printing goes,you really don`t have anything to worry about.Most people aren`t paying you enough attention to notice and a slight shift in your shirt will eliminate printing anyway.I`m lucky in the fact that at my age I have become pretty much invisible to most folks.I have become one of the faceless people that no one ever pays any attention to.It`s a terrible way to be if a guy was trying to get laid but it`s great for concealed carry.

[LaP]

As the about comments have stated, most of us were very aware we were carrying during the first couple weeks/months. After a while it feels odd NOT to be carrying.
I switch between IWB with a Bianchi 100 holster and pocket carry with a Galco Pocket Protector. You may have to change some of your shirts and maybe some styles of pants, but you will find some combination that works for you. I think most of us here have a boxfull of hosters that looked good on paper, but just didn't pan out in public.
Enjoy the experimentation.;)

[Bawanna]

I carry OWB mostly although I'm working my Silent Thunder IWB into the wardrobe. OWB is just more comfortable for me. I use a Mernickle leather rig that rides really high. Not much of my 1911 is below the belt, very little in fact. So high that some requested him to make a mid ride and a low ride as they couldn't draw from so high. I so far have no issue drawing and it works very well sitting all the time, doesn't interfere with armrest etc. I think sitting in a wheelchair kind of helps break things up and people don't expect a derelict in a wheel chair to be armed to the teeth with weapons of mass destruction. I of course have to wear a vest or untucked shirt but as already stated, most will never notice. In fact what gives us away are the guys that are constantly adjusting or have their hand on the gun when they run, shifting etc. A good belt and holster and don't mess with it and you'll be fine.

Dietrich, I'm sure looking forward to becoming faceless as you describe. Right now I usually feel like the pied piper with the chicks following me around all the time, tough to stay low profile with a parade every where I go.
Kind of limits my movement some too, some places dont allow animals.

[BuckeyeBlast]

I`m lucky in the fact that at my age I have become pretty much invisible to most folks.I have become one of the faceless people that no one ever pays any attention to.It`s a terrible way to be if a guy was trying to get laid but it`s great for concealed carry.

This happened to me when I had my boys. I've never really had many women problems, but lately I get more looks from grandma's than I do 20 somethings. Last summer I'm out enjoying a topless day in my Jeep. A car w/ 4 girls pulls up next to me "Hey Jeep guy..." :w00t: and I'm feeling pretty good about myself. No sooner to I smile back and I hear "Oh ****, he's got a car seat in the back." Instant ego deflation. :(

...and pulling it back to topic... I CCW w/ my boys too. My biggest fear is that one day one of my sons gives me a hug around my waist and says "Daddy, is that your gun?" Of course the answer will be "No, that's just Daddy's phone" but I still hope it never happens around the 'wrong' people who know me but I don't want knowing that I carry or even own a firearm.

[Barth]

As the about comments have stated, most of us were very aware we were carrying during the first couple weeks/months. After a while it feels odd NOT to be carrying.
I switch between IWB with a Bianchi 100 holster and pocket carry with a Galco Pocket Protector. You may have to change some of your shirts and maybe some styles of pants, but you will find some combination that works for you. I think most of us here have a boxfull of hosters that looked good on paper, but just didn't pan out in public.
Enjoy the experimentation.;)

+1 on that - LOL!

[Barth]

I actually dropped my pants in a public stall and my
44 mag hit the floor and slid outside the door.
I snapped it up as soon as is hit. But someone else in the bathroom said
Damn Boy!

Then a few times in restaurants patrons noticed printing while I was sitting.
And I had an uncomfortable conversation with the manager.

Generally leaning over or sitting can cause issues at times. Along the wind blowing open your shirt. That’s when I first went with fanny packs and finally to pocket carry. But that’s just my personal embarrassing experiences.

[cgo99]

I've carried a variety of weapons, a variety of ways, for 15+ years.
Here in steaming hot Florida I've settled in on front pocket carry.
DeSantis Super Fly or Nemisis holster - depending on the gun.

As for concealed means concealed?
Absolutely.
Please read your carry laws carefully.

Not that many years of experience as Barth but I myself have settled for pocket carry my PM9 here in Florida either on a "Nemesis" or a "Hidden Holster".

[JFootin]

Barth,
Yeah. I definitely want to look at front pocket carry. I formerly owned a small 25acp gun, and I had a Desantis Nemesis for it, but to me the grip printed when I was seated, no matter whether I was wearing jeans or khakis. I thought about the Superfly, but it is so much more expensive, I might as well get something nice in leather, like one of those from pocketholsters.com (http://www.pocketholsters.com/).

BuckeyeBlast,
Great pics! It looks like you think like me, going for the tuckable IWB. That Crossbreed Mini-Tuck is popular. To me, it looks so big, but maybe that is just in pics. I don't like the clips with the crosses on them, but they have Velcro as an option. Definitely a good setup.

Dietrich,
Yeah. Invisible. Me too. You know, women have menopause. Well, I think some of us middle aged men suffer from womenopause! There sure has been a pause in female interaction for me! :(

LaP,
My collection is growing! I have a SmartCarry that I bought when I was thinner. I'm trying to lose some weight so I can get back into it. :o I have an Ace Case under desk holster that is a POS. I found a concealed carry T-shirt at a good price on eBay, got the right size (XL), and it is good quality. But the holster sits all the way over at 3 o'clock (I'm a lefty), and my middle-aged barrel chest and man-teets make it hard to reach the pistol. :(:o I'm sure this collection will continue to grow! :p

Wow! Lots more messages. I'll post this and then reply to some more. :)

[cw45fan]

Do you count on an untucked shirt or a jacket to cover the weapon?

Yes... IWB untucked shirt 90% of the time... shoulder rig w/jacket 10%.

[TheTman]

I can't afford a lot of leather, so I try to make do with what I purchase. I use a De Santis Sof-Tuck at about 5:00, with a heavy forward cant so the handle rides up around my kidney so I can get a good hold of it when want too. When I do have to tuck, my dress shirts tend to pouch out in the back and you can't tell I have a weapon on me. A clip hangs over my pants waistline with a small hook that catches the bottom of my belt. No one's ever mentioned anything or said anything. I don't dress up very often so normally I just wear a large untucked tshirt a size bigger than normal. The only time the gun really prints is when I bend over at the waist and the handle protrudes some, so I try and remember to bend my knees and keep my back straight. I think my most concealable rig is my Charter Arms .44 special which has the Barami Hip Grips. A hook protrudes off the handle enough to allow you to hook it over your pants and belt. This allows "mexican carry", where you stick the gun down the front of your pants without a holster, but holds the gun firmly from slipping down your pants. I don't worry about catching the trigger on anything as It's a heavy double action pull, and I'm sure I'd notice the cylinder turning if it did catch on something. These grips are available for a lot of small revolvers, and great for just throwing something on real fast for a quick trip down to the market. Let me point out, a double action pistol is the only thing I would carry in such a manner. I also have a couple Uncle Mikes shoulder rigs I can wear under my suit or sport coat that conceals very well.
And as been stated above, nobody's paying that much attention anyway.

[JFootin]

Bawanna,
The way its going, it won't be too much longer until I am sitting all the time, too. I guess it would be hard to find an IWB holster that will be comfortable all day long seated. I am tempted by the Tagua Open Top Lined Belt Holster (http://www.taguagunleather.com/new/open-top-leather-belt-holster-p21) at $45 shipped, with a nice cant, detailed molding and full leather lining.

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/TaguaOpenTopLeatherBeltHolster.jpg

I think the lining will help protect the finish of my shiny CM9, it looks like it will be easy to draw and reholster the gun, and it will hold the gun close to my side. The picture shows a full sized 1911, but my CM9 would not go nearly as far below the belt line. And it is such a great value!

[TucsonMTB]

I've carried a variety of weapons, a variety of ways, for 15+ years.
Here in steaming hot Florida I've settled in on front pocket carry.
DeSantis Super Fly or Nemisis holster - depending on the gun.
+1 . . . No Super Fly, but the DeSantis Nemesis is great.

I am also fortunate to have a nice Galco horsehide pocket holster, courtesy of Mr. Ljutic here on the forum. It is absolutely terrific. Being a cheapskate, it would have been hard for me to justify at its real price. But, for you well-heeled guys, it is the cat's meow. :)

[Barth]

+1 . . . No Super Fly, but the DeSantis Nemesis is great.

I am also fortunate to have a nice Galco horsehide pocket holster, courtesy of Mr. Ljutic here on the forum. It is absolutely terrific. Being a cheapskate, it would have been hard for me to justify at its real price. But, for you well-heeled guys, it is the cat's meow. :)

Oh man!
Now I may need to get another holster - LOL!
http://gunsforsale.com/ghg/images/Galco_Pocket_Holster.jpg

[TucsonMTB]

Oh man!
Now I may need to get another holster - LOL!
Looks like you already have it covered, but if horsehide is your thing . . .

http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/large/212/212180.jpg

Midway can fix you right up at this catalog link (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=644615&cm_mmc=Froogle-_-Self-Defense%20-%20Holsters%20%26%20Belts-_-PriceCompListing-_-644615).

[Barth]

Looks like you already have it covered, but if horsehide is your thing . . .

http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/large/212/212180.jpg

Midway can fix you right up at this catalog link (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=644615&cm_mmc=Froogle-_-Self-Defense%20-%20Holsters%20%26%20Belts-_-PriceCompListing-_-644615).

Oh man - I like that even better!
And I order stuff from Midway too...
I guess that's what friends are for - LOL!

Thanks Much!
(Looks like it's ordering time!!!)

[Bawanna]

Bawanna,
The way its going, it won't be too much longer until I am sitting all the time, too. I guess it would be hard to find an IWB holster that will be comfortable all day long seated. I am tempted by the Tagua Open Top Lined Belt Holster (http://www.taguagunleather.com/new/open-top-leather-belt-holster-p21) at $45 shipped, with a nice cant, detailed molding and full leather lining.

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/TaguaOpenTopLeatherBeltHolster.jpg

I think the lining will help protect the finish of my shiny CM9, it looks like it will be easy to draw and reholster the gun, and it will hold the gun close to my side. The picture shows a full sized 1911, but my CM9 would not go nearly as far below the belt line. And it is such a great value!

It looks good. If you find yourself headed for a chair full time we'll have a lot to talk about. First wheelchair lesson #1. Never listen to a wheelchair salesman that isn't in a wheelchair himself. They lie. ALOT!
You'll no doubt do electric so less issues to deal with but I'm here to help if you need it. I'm a border line journeyman derelict now. Been a long long time.

[TucsonMTB]

I guess that's what friends are for - LOL!

Thanks Much!
(Looks like it's ordering time!!!)
My pleasure . . . always happy to help a fellow junky! :D

[JFootin]

Lots of good thoughts. Thanks, everyone! :)

Bawanna,
You mentioned the Silent Thunder. It is strait cant, so I guess it can be worn on the side, but a lot of people use it for appendix carry. How can they do that sitting down? When I am seated, my legs go 90° strait out immediately below my belt. Even with a small gun like the CM9, it would be binding terribly.

BuckeyeBlast,
Yeah. I don't want a lot of people knowing that I carry, or even own a gun. (I wish I had bought mine FTF so the evil government wouldn't know, either. :mad:) You know, the Brady Bill established the instant background check, but also specifically forbade the gov't from keeping a database of gun purchases. Yet, Janet Reno's D.O.J. was keeping a database in direct violation of the law! I'll BET they are still doing it! She should be in prison for some of the things she did while in office, and so should Eric Holder!) But I told my older brother and he is a blabber mouth, so most of the family will know before long!

Barth,
Thanks for your candor. I hope to avoid such incidents. I definitely don't want to be noticed printing in a restaurant, and I sure don't want my gun dropping on the bathroom floor! :eek:

thetmanski,
That Sof-Tuck is quite a value, isn't it? I had ordered a few items from Optics Planet, including a Sof-Tuck, but the left handed holster was backordered. They said they'd have it in a week, but I waited a week and no go. The Desantis website says its backordered, too, so I knew I wasn't going to see my order any time soon. Therefore, I canceled the holster so I could get the rest of the stuff. I guess they just do a run of the left hand holsters once in a blue moon. :mad:

Lots of votes for front pocket carry. The CM9 is almost too big for that, but the right holster is the key, one that will look convincingly like a wallet with no part of the grip poking out at the top (I bet the Remora would do that because the grip is exposed). The Superfly would probably work well, and certainly one of those from pocketholsters.com (http://www.pocketholsters.com/). But for Bawanna and me, sitting down, the access isn't so good. I guess some of those $90 CCW Breakaway Pants (http://ccwbreakaways.com/index.html) would make it a lot easier.

I still like my fanny pack for use when seated, although I would like to get one of those special made ones with the holster for the gun and the real quick access.

[JFootin]

It looks good. If you find yourself headed for a chair full time we'll have a lot to talk about. First wheelchair lesson #1. Never listen to a wheelchair salesman that isn't in a wheelchair himself. They lie. ALOT!
You'll no doubt do electric so less issues to deal with but I'm here to help if you need it. I'm a border line journeyman derelict now. Been a long long time.

I already have a power chair. I got it Spring of last year. I don't trust Obama or any of those Washington pols, so I figured I'd get one with Medicare while the getting was still good. Didn't cost me a dime. :D I had an infection in my left leg last Summer, and was confined to the power chair for over a month. So, I was wise to get it when I did.

I don't have a custom van, or any way to transport my chair. But I have a light weight, portable, folding travel scooter that weighs just 35 lb and stows quickly in my car trunk. MDA paid for that. Not a penny out of my own pocket. I am one of Jerry's kids! :) I use it whenever I am going someplace where I would have to be on my feet a lot, or do a lot of walking. I took it to the gun show a couple of weeks ago.

Around here, I use a rollator walker with four wheels. I used to use a cane, but I can't balance well enough anymore. I can only get on my feet for brief periods, and walk short distances on flat ground. I can drive my car just fine, though. I use the scooter to take out the trash and retrieve my mail, and I use the power chair when I take a bath because I can't walk without my braces and shoes on.

Life goes on... :rolleyes:

[Bawanna]

Wow you were lucky to get a power chair free. I don't qualify for one myself. The rule here is if you can operate a manual chair they won't buy you a power chair. I have two, both given to me. Guys at the dept bought me a nice barely used office power chair.

I constantly drop stuff carrying it on my lap and pushing the wheels so the power setup works really good. Course the manual chair is about the only exercise I get so I'm turning into a wooos.

The Silent Thunder is adjustable for can't and ride heighth. I don't appendix carry, keep it at 3 or 3:30 or so. Only issue for me is my IWB is about at maximum capacity without a holster so ultra slim fast needed here.

[JFootin]

Yeah. Me, too, on the middle age spread! I have cut way, way down on how much I eat and am trying to listen to my mind instead of my stomach about what to eat, when and how much. I have lost about 12-15 lb and seem to have reached a plateau. But I am continuing my dieting efforts and hope to see more rolling off over time.

I qualified for the power chair because my hands and forearms are substantially weakened and partially paralyzed, so I cannot handle the manual wheelchair. And my hereditary condition is progressive. So, aggravated by age, it is getting worse. Fortunately, my rare condition is specifically written up in the Social Security database as a progressive and permanently disabling condition. So, after I got all of my t's crossed and i's dotted on the application, and a doctor examined me and confirmed the diagnosis, I got my Disability without any denials. And they put me on a permanent status so that I will only, maybe, get a cursory review every 7 years or so. It took me 2 years to work through the bureaucratic molasses, but then they paid me 2 years back pay once my application was accepted. So, here I am: a ward of the State, with a Marxist socialist at the helm who really doesn't like white folks and wants to redistribute all of our money to the undeserving masses. He talks about taxing the really rich folks, but the first thing he did when he got in office was to freeze COL adjustments for all of us on SS. And we are not rich folks, just mostly white, and an easy target. The filters on this forum won't let me express how I really feel about Yomamma! And the stupid, STUPID, STUPID voters who put him in office!

[SkeletonSlinky]

+1 Pocket Carry

For me...pocket holster is the way to go. I carry my PM9 in my leather, home-made version of the pocketholsters.com one shown here...works great and never been questioned. Plus, I don't have to change my wardrobe to carry

http://www.pocketholsters.com/Kahr_Arms_Pocket-Wallet_Holste/kahr_arms_pocket-wallet_holster.html

[JFootin]

+1 Pocket Carry

For me...pocket holster is the way to go. I carry my PM9 in my leather, home-made version of the pocketholsters.com one shown here...works great and never been questioned. Plus, I don't have to change my wardrobe to carry

http://www.pocketholsters.com/Kahr_Arms_Pocket-Wallet_Holste/kahr_arms_pocket-wallet_holster.html

Yeah. That's the one I've been considering. But it's $55 + shipping. Nice holster, though. I'm still concerned about being seated all the time, and pocket carry won't provide easy access.

You must be pretty handy. Do you have a heavy duty sewing machine to sew that leather? Is yours nicely finished like his?

[O'Dell]

Bawanna,
The way its going, it won't be too much longer until I am sitting all the time, too. I guess it would be hard to find an IWB holster that will be comfortable all day long seated. I am tempted by the Tagua Open Top Lined Belt Holster (http://www.taguagunleather.com/new/open-top-leather-belt-holster-p21) at $45 shipped, with a nice cant, detailed molding and full leather lining.

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/TaguaOpenTopLeatherBeltHolster.jpg

I think the lining will help protect the finish of my shiny CM9, it looks like it will be easy to draw and reholster the gun, and it will hold the gun close to my side. The picture shows a full sized 1911, but my CM9 would not go nearly as far below the belt line. And it is such a great value!

I've got one of those and they work very well on the belt. The leather is a bit thin, so the long term durability may suffer, but because it collapses around the gun, it will support several different pistols.

I've been carrying for many years and have never found an IWB holster that I really like - the Remora comes close. Therefore for me, it's on the belt when I have a jacket or untucked shirt to cover it. If not, the LCP or PM9 go in the pocket or if I'm going to setting or driving, on the ankle.

[JFootin]

That's good advice, O'Dell. Thank you.

[Bawanna]

O'Dell brought up an excellent point. If your gonna be seated full time (and I would hold out as long as possible, sitting sucks.) the ankle is an excellent option. It's easily accessible, hides well under most pants, (not shorts of course) and they have excellent retention.

I wear my PM45 on the ankle all the time without issue. I nearly put it on last week on the one decent day I put on shorts but realized I had a wardrobe malfunction before I went outside. Put it in my back pack for that day.

On that note I don't like putting a gun in a back pack behind me since I can't hear and it's out of sight someone could easily access it, not likely but possible. A small pack on the front would work good but I like my guns to come with me if I leave the chair. Get in someone elses car and leave your chair behind for even a little while and anything can happen.

In a bank during a robbery and you get tossed on the floor I want the gun with me, not left on the chair.

[JFootin]

The ankle rig is a thought. But I wear custom made braces on my lower legs and feet. They are quite bulky, leaving no room on the inside of the right leg. They are open on the front, so I might be able to put a holster there, nestled into the open channel, but I'm not sure anything bigger than a NAA mini-revolver would fit. As long as I am going to get up on my feet at all, I'll need the braces.

I am leaning in 3 directions:


My $3 fanny pack (which sits in front, not anywhere near my fanny :rolleyes:), the only limitation being a zipper on the top to access the gun with some difficulty; or invest in one specifically designed for concealed carry of a gun, with an adjustable Velcro attached holster and instant access to the gun. Many of them, though, have unusual shapes that telegraph their intended purpose. I want one that looks perfectly normal, with pockets for cell phone, wallet, etc.
A Deep Concealment Shoulder Holster (http://www.activeprogear.com/234.html) that conceals under any shirt and positions the gun enough toward the front for easy access beyond man-teets (:p). (I have one T-shirt holster freshly added to my holster mistakes box that positions the gun all the way on the side, 90° from the front and out of reach!) I would wear Western style shirts with snaps instead of buttons for lightning quick access without ruining the shirt. I like the idea of a shoulder rig for use with normal shirts.
A comfortable OWB holster on the side, such as the Tagua one pictured in an earlier reply. An untucked shirt would keep it out of sight.

[Bawanna]

http://www.mernickleholsters.com/ps/bwcc_6a.html

Check this one out too. A little more money but a great holster. If you have mobility issues with your shoulders it might be to high a ride but it hides very well. I wear mine, the plain model nearly every day with my Cbob. It should be even more comfy and small with any of the Kahr models.

I checked with Bob (great guy) awhile back and he had the molds to make em for Kahrs.

[TucsonMTB]

You may have overlooked the most obvious solution . . . a pretty blond or brunet (your choice), armed to the teeth, to accompany you anywhere there might be a threat. Much more fun than a holster . . . :D

[ripley16]

I've been carrying a gun since 1975. The years have taught me a few things...

* A good quality holster is a must. Not only will it hide well, last long, but it will usually be more comfortable.

* Little, light guns are easier to hide.

* I quit worrying about "flashing" after I realized that nobody is especially paying attention to me, much less looking for a gun on me. Acting normal and natural is the best concealment.

* Don't trust a mirror to tell if something covers well. Ask your spouse to check your cover and concealment.

* Don't tell anyone you're carrying. Friends may give you away by their actions or comments.

* There's an old FBI poster that instructs what to look for when trying to spot a person carrying. Avoiding the "tell-tales" such as the frozen arm, no arm swing, constant hitching and fiddling, belts too tight, clothes out of season, as well as the obvious bulges and bumps. Learn to leave you gun alone.

[BuckeyeBlast]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pPsuc9rvU4Y/TDTptYgS9CI/AAAAAAAABvA/mBHuRP7Y1xU/s1600/how+to+spot+a+gun.jpg

[earle8888]

Tastes change, things change, etc. I used a 7Trees in the belt with 19-2 S&W for many years. Have a NULL made, same as original 7Trees for P45. Now that I am older and much much broader, IWB is not comfortable in the car. On the belt is fine. BUT, harder to conceal. THUS, I now predominantly use a pocket, cheap nylon, holster and PM40. Works great and I don't fell dressed without it .

[JFootin]

You may have overlooked the most obvious solution . . . a pretty blond or brunet (your choice), armed to the teeth, to accompany you anywhere there might be a threat. Much more fun than a holster . . . :D

If only. :rolleyes:

Thanks, guys. A lot of good advice. I'll find what is right for me in time. Then, I'll have a holster sale! :D

[JFootin]

Hey, check this collection of nice, reasonably priced holsters by Lindsey Ross. All are available in right or left hand for Kahr handguns.

http://www.ccwsupply.biz/RossLeatherPAGE.htm

They look nice. Has anyone here used one?

[ltxi]

I've been carrying a gun since 1975. The years have taught me a few things...

* A good quality holster is a must. Not only will it hide well, last long, but it will usually be more comfortable.

* Little, light guns are easier to hide.

* I quit worrying about "flashing" after I realized that nobody is especially paying attention to me, much less looking for a gun on me. Acting normal and natural is the best concealment.

* Don't trust a mirror to tell if something covers well. Ask your spouse to check your cover and concealment.

* Don't tell anyone you're carrying. Friends may give you away by their actions or comments.

* There's an old FBI poster that instructs what to look for when trying to spot a person carrying. Avoiding the "tell-tales" such as the frozen arm, no arm swing, constant hitching and fiddling, belts too tight, clothes out of season, as well as the obvious bulges and bumps. Learn to leave you gun alone.

Good advice. I'd like to add one *bullet. Belts...nothing but top quality gun leather. Both casual and dress. If you have a "running in the rain" problem, even have to think about it, you've got the wrong gear.

[jocko]

ITXI; ur 3rd sentence is what I have said for year. NO ONE IS LOOKING. It just doesnt happen. Ihave pocket carried for over 48 years and years back a J frame seemed small but was large by what some of of todays guns are and nobody ever notices. They just aren't looking and if you have a ccw permet, who gives a fokk anyway. I have dranke coffee wityh 3 LEO for years, alwyas a gun in my front pocket and never once has anyone ever noticed. Maybe if they think a person cold be a bad guy etc, then they might profile his body more but that is not the same scenario as what is the norm.

all of your points IMO are dead on though.. To me the person who talks about carrying toothe rpeople is a BRAGGARD AND PROBALBY SHOULD NOT BE CARRYING IN THE FIRST POACE..

[JFootin]

Good advice, guys. What do you think of those Ross holsters? In my search for the perfect holster, I am moving away from IWB and toward OWB, and I have been advised not to try and carry too far behind the hip. I tend to want to do that because I have big love handles, but I am flat in the back. When I wear at the side, it seems to print through my shirt, plus the love handle gets in the way of drawing a little bit, and reholstering a lot. :o Any advice from you seasoned CCW veterans?

[wyntrout]

I usually don't worry about someone "noticing" that I'm carrying, but I was talking to a lady cop who had pulled up while I was out in the park behind my house, and I swear, it was like she had x-ray vision... I felt like she could tell from the way she was looking at me... the area she glanced at. She knew I was a friendly... friend of the park-resident cop, and didn't say anything, but I feel like she had real good powers of observation, and could "tell".
That's a great thing for cops, or anyone... good guys, being able to size someone up and figure who and where any threat is.
That danged "chart" showed a lot of my moves... or tactics! :blushing:
I don't feel the need to grab my gun when running while I'm wearing a MiniTuck... but I still try to do that! I've found that my shorts don't fall down if I really cinch up my belt. I can't do the lower wear position that's so comfortable... with a gun IWB.

Wynn:)

[ripley16]

Good advice, guys. What do you think of those Ross holsters? In my search for the perfect holster, I am moving away from IWB and toward OWB, and I have been advised not to try and carry too far behind the hip. I tend to want to do that because I have big love handles, but I am flat in the back. When I wear at the side, it seems to print through my shirt, plus the love handle gets in the way of drawing a little bit, and reholstering a lot. :o Any advice from you seasoned CCW veterans?

Carrying from 12:00 to 3:00 can be problematic for some people of girth, (which describes me), because the gut and the hip "throw" the gun out, away fraom your clothing. From 3:00 to about 4:30 generally fit the spot between the hip and the rear pocket, and is a better location, IMHO.

This is a good spot for me because I can reach it easily and I can still dig my wallet out from my pocket. You may need a holster with at least 15 degrees of cant and preferably more... as much as 20 degrees is better still. The further around you move, the more cant the holster needs to ergonomically fit your draw. I would resist placing your gun much further back as you loose peripheral sight of your cover and the draw speed decreases.

I don't know about Ross holsters, but both Mitch Rosen and Galco make excellent holsters that work well OWB and behind the hip.

[wyntrout]

Yep, 4-4:30 IWB for me and long loose polos and Tees... gotta be cool... shorts, too, the 5-6" inseam... no excess pockets... or length. I wanna be cool! Thinking Magnum cool, but with his sidekick's physique.

Wynn:)

[JFootin]

Hi ripley16, and thanks for the advice! Its decision time (until the next time the holster itch strikes me :p).

I have narrowed down my search to two holsters:


I can get the Tagua Open Top Lined Belt Holster (http://www.taguagunleather.com/new/open-top-leather-belt-holster-p21) for $45 shipped to my door. They have it in stock for a lefty to fit a PM9/CM9, so I can get it quick. I have been told the leather is kind of thin, but it looks good. Good cant. No shield on back. It is lined with smooth leather at that price!
Here is one that will last forever, the Ross Pancake (http://www.ccwsupply.biz/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=C&Product_Code=ROSSM5WN&Category_Code=RBH), for $73.50 + shipping. This holster is made of thick, high quality leather, suede lined, great cant for behind the hip carry. Here is the Ross Collection (http://www.ccwsupply.biz/RossLeatherPAGE.htm) at ccwsupply.biz. He has negotiated some incredible prices on these Ross holsters!

So, should I go for the Ross at about $80 (an incredible value), or the almost suspiciously low price on the Tagua?

Thanks, everyone, for all your wisdom and advice. :)

[TucsonMTB]

You only go 'round once on life's merry go round. ;)

[ripley16]

That Ross M5WN Pancake Body Shield holster looks like a winner to me.

[JFootin]

That Ross M5WN Pancake Body Shield holster looks like a winner to me.

Yeah, me too. I am a little apprehensive about ccwsupply.biz, though. A wonderful website, and they make statements about customer service, but you get voicemail with the mailbox full if you call and, so far, I haven't got any reply to some questions I sent by email. Every page says the holsters are available for all of the guns on the list, left or right handed. But when you go to the online store to place an order, the gun selection menu is labeled "Right Hand Gun Model:". There is a selection for "Gun Hand", but that label on the gun menu bothers me (I'm left handed). :mad: I wonder if it is implying that I may not be able to get a particular holster left handed for my gun? I have to wait until next week to place my order (piggy bank is empty), so I'll wait and see if I get a satisfactory reply to my questions before I decide to place an order.

[ltxi]

ITXI; ur 3rd sentence is what I have said for year. NO ONE IS LOOKING. It just doesnt happen. Ihave pocket carried for over 48 years and years back a J frame seemed small but was large by what some of of todays guns are and nobody ever notices. They just aren't looking and if you have a ccw permet, who gives a fokk anyway. I have dranke coffee wityh 3 LEO for years, alwyas a gun in my front pocket and never once has anyone ever noticed. Maybe if they think a person cold be a bad guy etc, then they might profile his body more but that is not the same scenario as what is the norm.

all of your points IMO are dead on though.. To me the person who talks about carrying toothe rpeople is a BRAGGARD AND PROBALBY SHOULD NOT BE CARRYING IN THE FIRST POACE..

Credit where due....all but the last bit about belts was Ripley16's insight, not mine.

[JFootin]

In case ccwsupply.biz doesn't show themselves as a responsible business that I can trust, I can still fall back on the $45 Tagua. Or, I have a new option from about the oldest holster maker in the country, El Paso Saddlery: the #88 "Street Combat" Holster (http://www.epsaddlery.com/p-73-88-street-combat-holster.aspx#KitInPostBack) (don't you love that name?). It is $70, suede lined, medium high rise and has a very accessible combat grip. There are many options that can multiply that price, but I'll just get it plain in black. Look at how the muzzle of the PM9 rides less than an inch below the bottom of the belt. Nice!
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/ElPasoStreetCombatHolster.jpg

[OldLincoln]

Not trying to change your mind, but have you considered the Silent Thunder? The soft leather lining would protect your finish and the Kydex is thin yet makes it easy to reholster. It's also cooler than leather against your skin should you go without an undershirt.

[JFootin]

OldLincoln, thanks!

I have a Kydex IWB holster. It is comfortable against my underwear (I always wear underwear - don't live in Florida). But I don't like how it makes my pants sag down on that side. I have a good, thick gun belt, so that's not the problem. But I wear my pants with my belt cinched up enough to make it ride just above my hips. Somehow, the holster inside my pants and belt ruins that and causes sagging. Just something about the way I am built. Plus, my hands are crippled—partly paralyzed, and my wrists are weak and stiff (I'm no wimp, just challenged physically in some ways), so I need the gun to be very easy to get to and draw.

Many people recommend front pocket carry, and it seems to work well for a lot of people. But I am seated much more than I am standing (I even use the electric scooter at the grocery store), so that doesn't work for me, either.

So, with a lot of thought, I have decided on a belt holster worn strong side just behind the hip. I'll just have to wear my shirts untucked to conceal it. The pancake style holsters with the widely spaced belt slots for stability look like the right solution.

But heck, I'll probably end up with one of about every style holster eventually, anyway! :rolleyes: Let's see. I have the tuckable kydex IWB (http://pjholster.com/?page_id=27), a Smartcarry (http://www.smartcarry.com/) deep in your jewel box holster :wof:, a nice sleeveless T-shirt concealment holster (http://cgi.ebay.com/T-Shirt-Holster-Concealment-XL-W-Small-Gun-Left-Handed-/200630636271?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb6848eef), a nice fanny pack I bought for $3 that holds my gun, wallet, cell phone, etc. right in my lap, and an under your desk holster (http://www.barsonyholstersandbelts.com/servlet/the-130/Under-Desk-Dash-Safe/Detail) from Barsony that's a $12.99 + SH POS. I used to have a Desantis Nemesis pocket holster that I sold along with a Budischowsky TP-70 25acp pocket pistol awhile back. So, I need an on the belt holster to round out my collection. :D

[BEARDOG]

JFooting, I think you are on the right track with a higher riding OWB holster considering your physical needs.
I usually carry my CM9 in a pocket holster or IWB but I have recently made myself a high ride, OWB minimal holster that works for both my CM and CW. I made it high ride so it would be a little easier to hide under a loose shirt and it works pretty well, Not as good as a IWB or a pocket of coarse but the less barrel sticking down below the belt the better for concealing IMO.
Here is mine(not finished yet) with the CW + CM in it. It is similar to the Old Elpaso you posted, that one should work for ya.
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae70/BeardogV1/cwowb33.jpg
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae70/BeardogV1/cmowb33.jpg

[OldLincoln]

J, that makes perfect sense. They do make a Silent Thunder OWB but you probably already know that. While not cripple I do fight the aging arthritis and would have to call a time out to get my PM9 out of my pocket holster, but I carry it there anyway when working in the yard.

Out of curiosity, did you consider a cross draw? Seems it would be easier to get to than anything else when sitting down - especially in a car.

[JFootin]

That's pretty, BEARDOG! When are you going to start your holster business? That one's sort of ambidextrous, isn't it? What color are you going to finish it?

Yeah. The El Paso seems to be the one. Now, if I can just avoid getting any of the finish options and keep the price to $70. :o Let's see, though. The basket weave or fish scale stamping is just $28 ... but then I would want it in brown, so I would want to get a matching belt ($72) ... and then I would want to get the matching stamping for it ($30) ... TOTAL: $200! Yikes! :eek: Of course, there is the floral carving ($78 + $75) (TOTAL: $301!) ... or the extra fancy floral carving ($98 + $95) (TOTAL: $321!) ... and then there is the dyed background and border stitching to really set it off (TOTAL: who knows, maybe $400+! Plus shipping and insurance on such a valuable shipment!) :eek::eek::eek:

Wow! It's good I don't have Melissa's resources. (I still have my eye on her, though! ;)) It'll just be plain and black and $70 out the door plus shipping, and I'll use the black Amish belt (http://www.hanksclothing.com/amish_belts_eagle_print_black_buy.html) that I bought for a gun belt and be a happy camper. :D

[JFootin]

J, that makes perfect sense. They do make a Silent Thunder OWB but you probably already know that. While not cripple I do fight the aging arthritis and would have to call a time out to get my PM9 out of my pocket holster, but I carry it there anyway when working in the yard.

Out of curiosity, did you consider a cross draw? Seems it would be easier to get to than anything else when sitting down - especially in a car.

To be comfortable, the gun would have to be at 2:30 or 3:00 (I'm a lefty). I have such a beer belly that it would be hard to reach. :o If I carried it nearer the middle, it would bind when sitting or get in the way going to the bathroom. Plus, the concealability would not be as good.

Wearing the high ride belt holster at about 8:00 will be very concealable, and it will be quickly accessible for draw and return. A loose, untucked, even open shirt or jacket would keep it concealed.

[Screendmon]

I use a OWB belt slide tagua holster with my CM9. And works really well. When I use the urinal at work the trick is to just pull the zipper down and ( if you wear boxers) pull it out and go. No need to undo belt and no one is the wiser.


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[BEARDOG]

That's pretty, BEARDOG! When are you going to start your holster business? That one's sort of ambidextrous, isn't it? What color are you going to finish it?



Thank's! ....Holster business ??? ... Yes it could be used both sides as this one has no body shield and I centered it and boned both sides.... Black or brown, I need to get some lighter brown dye to try... Good luck with your holster search, seems you have looked at all the options :)

[JFootin]

I use a OWB belt slide tagua holster with my CM9. And works really well. When I use the urinal at work the trick is to just pull the zipper down and ( if you wear boxers) pull it out and go. No need to undo belt and no one is the wiser.


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I am not getting something here. :confused: Where do you wear it that would make accessing your fire hose worth mentioning? :p I am going to wear mine strong side, behind the hip. I don't anticipate having any issues when using the urinal, either.

Is your Tagua the one they call the Quick Draw Leather Belt Holster (http://www.taguagunleather.com/new/quick-draw-leather-belt-holster-p20) that goes for $35? Or, is it the Open Top Leather Belt Holster (http://www.taguagunleather.com/new/open-top-leather-belt-holster-p21) for $45? They are both lined with smooth leather on the inside, which is nice. And their prices (with free shipping) are great.

Someone said he has the $45 one, and likes it, but he warned that the leather is kind of thin, so it might not hold up as long as some holsters. What do you think? Is the leather too thin? Do you think the holster will hold up to daily use?

[OldLincoln]

I tried an OWB for Dad's Colt but couldn't reach it when so far back to conceal. Both my shoulders are a real mess and they only work in a limited range of motion like up to 4:30.

[JFootin]

I tried an OWB for Dad's Colt but couldn't reach it when so far back to conceal. Both my shoulders are a real mess and they only work in a limited range of motion like up to 4:30.

Sorry to hear that. My shoulders work fine, so I can reach back there OK.

You know, I used to have lots of pain in both shoulders. I thought it was rotator cuff damage. Tried Glucosamine/Condroitin, but no improvement. Then, a few years ago, I started taking fish oil pills, 1000 mg three times a day. And guess what? I have no pain and my shoulders are working perfectly! Try it. Give it 3-6 months and see if it won't dramatically improve your shoulders. You can get twin-packs of it real cheap at Walmart.

[JFootin]

Yeah, me too. I am a little apprehensive about ccwsupply.biz, though. A wonderful website, and they make statements about customer service, but you get voicemail with the mailbox full if you call and, so far, I haven't got any reply to some questions I sent by email. Every page says the holsters are available for all of the guns on the list, left or right handed. But when you go to the online store to place an order, the gun selection menu is labeled "Right Hand Gun Model:". There is a selection for "Gun Hand", but that label on the gun menu bothers me (I'm left handed). :mad: I wonder if it is implying that I may not be able to get a particular holster left handed for my gun? I have to wait until next week to place my order (piggy bank is empty), so I'll wait and see if I get a satisfactory reply to my questions before I decide to place an order.

Yeah. There's a good reason he won't communicate. BBB rating = F! :mad:

Factors that lowered CCW Supply's rating include:


48 complaints filed against business
Failure to respond to 37 complaints filed against business.
One complaint filed against business that was not resolved.
BBB does not have sufficient information to determine how long this business has been operating. BBB made two or more requests for background information from the business. BBB has not received a response from this business and/or has not been able to verify information received from this business.
BBB does not have sufficient background information on this business. BBB made two or more requests for background information from the business. BBB has not received a response from this business and/or has not been able to verify information received from this business.
BBB does not have sufficient information to determine size of business. BBB evaluation of business is based on rating formula's smallest size classification.

So, I will definitely not be doing business with him! :32:

[JFootin]

JFootin, I think you are on the right track with a higher riding OWB holster considering your physical needs.
I usually carry my CM9 in a pocket holster or IWB but I have recently made myself a high ride, OWB minimal holster that works for both my CM and CW. I made it high ride so it would be a little easier to hide under a loose shirt and it works pretty well, Not as good as a IWB or a pocket of coarse but the less barrel sticking down below the belt the better for concealing IMO.
Here is mine(not finished yet) with the CW + CM in it. It is similar to the Old Elpaso you posted, that one should work for ya.
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae70/BeardogV1/cwowb33.jpg
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae70/BeardogV1/cmowb33.jpg

BEARDOG, I did go with a high ride belt holster - the Tagua Open Top Lined Belt Holster (http://www.taguagunleather.com/new/open-top-leather-belt-holster-p21). In all of my holster shopping over the last 3 months, this is the best value on the market today: $45 with free shipping for a well made holster that is fully lined with smooth leather. Here is my CM9 in it:

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/My%20Custom%20CM9/MyCM9inTaguaHolster.jpg

For this small gun, the holster is not canted nearly as much as I expected based on the picture on their website of the holster made for a 1911, but it works great like this. I have found the real sweet spot to be at 9:00, straddling the belt loop right on my hip. It is perfectly comfortable standing or sitting, and easy to draw and return the gun at that location. The holster keeps the gun tight against my body, and my spare tire helps to disguise it. A loose shirt makes it disappear.

[stumprat]

Called Tommie last Wednesday to ask about a holster for my new Kahr CM9.
Ordered the holster Wednesday night on the computer. He had the holster built and shipped by Saturday morning. In my mailbox Tuesday.

His holsters are combat cut standard (not special order). Kydex is full length to prevent barrel wear on clothing. Lifetime warranty. With 2 week buy back guarantee (including shipping) if you don't like it for any reason.

Hell of a buy for $65. Couldn't be happier with his customer service. Or the holster.

www.TheisHolsters.com (http://www.TheisHolsters.com)

[JFootin]

OK, folks. Here is the chance for those of you who missed the sale earlier this year.

Garrett Industries, LLC (http://garrettindustries.mybigcommerce.com/)


SALE

Labor Day Sale* August 28-September 7 – Coupon Code GISALE for 20% Discount on:

Holsters:
Silent Thunder IWB
Silent Thunder Champion
Silent Thunder Slim Appendix Carry
Silent Thunder STX
Silent Thunder Slim II Appendix Carry
Silent Thunder STX Auto
Silent Thunder OWB
Silent Thunder Tactical
Silent Thunder OWB Auto
Silent Thunder Tactical Auto

Mag Carriers:
K1 - (Single)
K2 – (Double) Belt Slide or Quick Mount
K3 – (Triple) Belt Slide or Quick Mount



Use Coupon Code GISALE




*Sale applies only to items listed above and for new orders received 8/28 - 9/7.

[JFootin]

OK. My order is in for a Silent Thunder IWB, left hand with the slim clip, just like OldLincoln's (http://s762.photobucket.com/albums/xx269/OldLincoln/Holsters/?albumview=slideshow)! $74.50 shipped.

[jlaudio29]

Here is what i carry my MK9 in

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q261/jlaudio29/Holster%20Pics/DSCN0433.jpg

This holster was made by me! Id love to make one for you :)

[JFootin]

Here is what i carry my MK9 in

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q261/jlaudio29/Holster%20Pics/DSCN0433.jpg

This holster was made by me! Id love to make one for you :)

That's a beautiful holster, JD! I looked at the website (still under construction), and I perused your Facebook page, but I couldn't find any pricing anywhere. I am not so well off that it doesn't matter. :o How much would one like that with plain leather band at the top go for?

[Bawanna]

Hey, Bawanna, did you have anything to do with this?

I truely wish I did but alas the Garretts are fine enough folks on their own. Don't need any help from me.

I wish I could take credit for it.

[trelliswires]

Bawanna -

Have you and JFootin considered Concealed CrossDraw holsters? Bob Mernickle makes them. Considering the necessity of sitting most of the time, aging body habitus and arthritis, crossdraw may be the easiest move. I carry full time in pocket holsters but I know that I am compromised for time if I had to draw while in a car seat. However, pocket carry is my only option because of work and going-to town dress requirements that are mandated by extreme muscle atrophy from spinal surgeries. The gun also stays cleaner with pocket carry when working in the vineyard. Packing 24/7 is mandatory down here being 10 miles north of the Mexican Border.

I am extremely happy with my Pocket Concealment Systems, Inc. (www.pcsholsters.com) for a S&W 642. My Kahr CM9 is on order as is a Harpoon PCS pocket holster for this gun. The late Lou Alessi helped Michael Meredith during his design phase.

Harpoon page: http://pcsholsters.com/catalog_item_HPN.html

Thanks, Jon......

[crazymailman]

OK, folks. Here is the chance for those of you who missed the sale earlier this year.

Garrett Industries, LLC (http://garrettindustries.mybigcommerce.com/)


SALE

Labor Day Sale* August 28-September 7 – Coupon Code GISALE for 20% Discount on:

Holsters:
Silent Thunder IWB
Silent Thunder Champion
Silent Thunder Slim Appendix Carry
Silent Thunder STX
Silent Thunder Slim II Appendix Carry
Silent Thunder STX Auto
Silent Thunder OWB
Silent Thunder Tactical
Silent Thunder OWB Auto
Silent Thunder Tactical Auto

Mag Carriers:
K1 - (Single)
K2 – (Double) Belt Slide or Quick Mount
K3 – (Triple) Belt Slide or Quick Mount



Use Coupon Code GISALE




*Sale applies only to items listed above and for new orders received 8/28 - 9/7.



Thanks for the code and date info. Will add one to the fold soon!

[JFootin]

Bawanna -

Have you and JFootin considered Concealed CrossDraw holsters? Bob Mernickle makes them. Considering the necessity of sitting most of the time, aging body habitus and arthritis, crossdraw may be the easiest move. I carry full time in pocket holsters but I know that I am compromised for time if I had to draw while in a car seat. However, pocket carry is my only option because of work and going-to town dress requirements that are mandated by extreme muscle atrophy from spinal surgeries. The gun also stays cleaner with pocket carry when working in the vineyard. Packing 24/7 is mandatory down here being 10 miles north of the Mexican Border.

I am extremely happy with my Pocket Concealment Systems, Inc. (www.pcsholsters.com (http://www.pcsholsters.com)) for a S&W 642. My Kahr CM9 is on order as is a Harpoon PCS pocket holster for this gun. The late Lou Alessi helped Michael Meredith during his design phase.

Harpoon page: http://pcsholsters.com/catalog_item_HPN.html

Thanks, Jon......

Thanks, Jon. Bawanna has mentioned Mernickle Holsters to me. He wears a PS6 high rise belt holster, I think.

I attained something very similar from Tagua for half the price ($45 shipped), and it is fully lined at that price.

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/My%20Custom%20CM9/MyCM9inTaguaHolster.jpg

I'll let Bawanna speak for himself, but crossdraw doesn't work for me because of my belly. (I do have a sleeveless T-shirt holster that holds the gun crossdraw up on my side.) The above holster does very well for me at about 8:30 (I'm a lefty), as will the Silent Thunder IWB that I just ordered. My spare tire disappears behind my hips and I have good shoulders, so the gun rides close and is easy to draw from that location.

I already have a pocket holster that works surprisingly well at minimizing the bulk and printing. It looks large in the pic, but it is very thin because it is horsehide, and the way it comes together to thin edges front and back really smooths the outline. It moves a little bit when I draw, but it doesn't come out of the pocket, so I have learned to ignore the movement. It is the El Paso Pocket Max and I got a real good price on it at Holsters Unlimited (http://gunholstersunlimited.com/el-paso-pocket-max-pocket-holster-ambidextrous-natural-kahr-pm9-pm40-mk9-mk40-pmpm9-1.html?cat_id=79). Here it is...

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/ElPasoPocketMaxHolster.jpg

There is no printing at all in my jeans when I'm standing. There's a bulge there when I'm sitting, but not too distinguishable as a gun. It's very comfortable and pretty easy to draw from, even when sitting. It is also easy to re-holster the gun, too, because the stiff horsehide stays open.

[Bawanna]

Strangely perhaps back in my vertical walking days I carried cross draw alot. Clear back at about 7 or 8 oclock and I'm right handed so I had plenty of reach around. (done Dietrich). Since sitting my arms have apparently shortened or shrunk somehow and it's difficult to access the cross draw rig. I did buy a cross draw rig for my 45 Colt awhile back but haven't even tried it yet.
I did like cross draw because if my gun was showing I would see it very early on. I think my Mernickle PS6 hides strong side much better even than my old IWB cross draws. Maybe it's just me but it seems like it.

One thing about being in a chair alot of stuff just doesn't show up, other stuff to attract the eye, stuff from 3 to 9 seems to blend into the seat back. Also lots of places to hang stuff. I prefer not to hang guns and knives on the chair if avoidable but sometimes I don't have a choice.

[jlaudio29]

Yah the website is being worked on, my gf is a web programmer so im at her mercy on when she works on my site since im getting it for free (we all know its not really free hahaha)

For something like that with no exotic its $70 shipped. the exotic band is $10 extra.

here is a picture of my pocket holsters i make.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q261/jlaudio29/Holster%20Pics/DSCN0416.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q261/jlaudio29/Holster%20Pics/DSCN0420.jpg

Anti print on one side and has two hooks to help catch and stay in the pocket. thats only $30 :)


That's a beautiful holster, JD! I looked at the website (still under construction), and I perused your Facebook page, but I couldn't find any pricing anywhere. I am not so well off that it doesn't matter. :o How much would one like that with plain leather band at the top go for?

[JFootin]

Strangely perhaps back in my vertical walking days I carried cross draw alot. Clear back at about 7 or 8 oclock and I'm right handed so I had plenty of reach around. (done Dietrich). Since sitting my arms have apparently shortened or shrunk somehow and it's difficult to access the cross draw rig. I did buy a cross draw rig for my 45 Colt awhile back but haven't even tried it yet.
I did like cross draw because if my gun was showing I would see it very early on. I think my Mernickle PS6 hides strong side much better even than my old IWB cross draws. Maybe it's just me but it seems like it.

One thing about being in a chair alot of stuff just doesn't show up, other stuff to attract the eye, stuff from 3 to 9 seems to blend into the seat back. Also lots of places to hang stuff. I prefer not to hang guns and knives on the chair if avoidable but sometimes I don't have a choice.

I like my belt holster, too. Hides OK, but I am confident that the Silent Thunder IWB will hide much better (you can even tuck your shirt over it). And if my recent experiment with a Kydex IWB is any indication, the holster and the gun will literally seem to vanish as far as feeling anything there at all, not the weight of the gun, not anything.

I like to wear strong side, just behind the hip (8:30 for me). That position reduces printing for me, yet it is close enough to the hip that it doesn't interfere or get pinched when I am seated. If I were seated all the time like you are, I would probably get to wearing at 9:00 in order to make the gun easier to draw.

[JFootin]

... For something like that with no exotic its $70 shipped. the exotic band is $10 extra.

... thats only $30 :)

Those are good prices, JD. I have been thinking about a belt holster like that with snap loops for easy on and off. I'll have to talk to you soon about that.

The pocket holster is shaped like mine, except mine is in horsehide and yours is leather.

[jlaudio29]

Yep, i can do horsehide too, just never had a request for it.

Just send me a pm whenever your ready for something.

[e5i5o]

BEARDOG, I did go with a high ride belt holster - the Tagua Open Top Lined Belt Holster (http://www.taguagunleather.com/new/open-top-leather-belt-holster-p21). In all of my holster shopping over the last 3 months, this is the best value on the market today: $45 with free shipping for a well made holster that is fully lined with smooth leather. Here is my CM9 in it:

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/My%20Custom%20CM9/MyCM9inTaguaHolster.jpg

For this small gun, the holster is not canted nearly as much as I expected based on the picture on their website of the holster made for a 1911, but it works great like this. I have found the real sweet spot to be at 9:00, straddling the belt loop right on my hip. It is perfectly comfortable standing or sitting, and easy to draw and return the gun at that location. The holster keeps the gun tight against my body, and my spare tire helps to disguise it. A loose shirt makes it disappear.


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JFootin,

I really like this holster.
Thanks for the information and website.
I have one question.
Is your a photo of that holster for a 1911 model with a pm9 in it or is the holster for a PM9 model?

Thanks.

[JFootin]

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JFootin,

I really like this holster.
Thanks for the information and website.
I have one question.
Is your a photo of that holster for a 1911 model with a pm9 in it or is the holster for a PM9 model?

Thanks.

That is my CM9 in the holster that I ordered for it. If you look on the website, they picture the holster fitted to a 1911 and it has an FBI cant. I was surprised at the super high rise and lack of cant in my holster when I got it. It doesn't hardly look like the same model holster, does it? It is still quite comfortable and easy on my gun's custom finish. But it is too high to draw effortlessly and super quickly from. The gun rides up high and close, so it is good for CCW. You might like it. It is a well made holster. Are your shoulder and elbow flexible and pain free? Then you might get along fine with this holster.

I should have gone about $30 more and gotten the El Paso Suede Lined "Street Combat (http://www.epsaddlery.com/p-73-88-street-combat-holster.aspx)" holster at $70 plus shipping. If you look at their Web page, you can see one pictured with a PM9 in it, and it has the FBI cant and is lower rise. It actually looks more like what I thought I would get from Tagua, except it is lower cut and exposes more of the gun. But it is designed for "street combat" and a very fast draw. I would still recommend the Tagua for larger pistols, but the El Paso for the small guns. I may end up getting one myself anyway. Alas, it looks like the Tagua is another addition to the seldom used holsters box. :frown:

[Unythios]

I dunno how you guys pocket carry the cm/pm9 my CM9 is way too heavy in my pocket no matter what I wear...

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[TucsonMTB]

Works for me 99% of the time. For the remaining 1%, there is either a Remora in the waist band or a P-3AT in the pocket. :D

[JFootin]

I dunno how you guys pocket carry the cm/pm9 my CM9 is way too heavy in my pocket no matter what I wear...

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Do you wear a good sturdy belt? Even with pocket carry you need a good belt, preferably a gun belt. I can carry my CM9 in my front pocket, with or without the pocket holster, and I don't even feel the weight of the gun.