CM9 so far not so good

[motorcityfred]

I got my new cm9 on sat. 7-16 when right home broke down the gun and I did the proper prep for the new kahrs ( thanks jocko for the great posts ) then lubed it as from the kahr lube diagram then off to the range on mon. 7-18. I when thru 150 rounds of wwb and I had 2 nose dives ( not so bad ) when home cleaned and lubed the gun and I sanded the mag follower and cleaned and lube the spring.Back to the range on mon. 7-25 ran thru another 150 rounds of wwb and I had 4 or 5 nose dives. I was not a happy camper when right home called kahr and I shipped the gun back to kahr on wed. 7-27, I'm still waiting on my gun back from kahr. This gun shoots great when it fires, but kahr has had my gun in repair longer than I have owned it. Boy I'm glad I didn't the extra money on the pm9. They have kahrtalk. com so we can fix are own guns without sending them back.If kahr doesn't get there sh-t together this is my first and last kahr........:cool:

[jocko]

not much sense in us adding to anything that might have helped u, as the gun is back at kahr. My opinion: u rushed things to much, in a hurry to send it back without coming here first and letting members know what was going on to get thieir comments. The cm9 is just one super gun and \yours has to be one of maybe two that I have known to have to go back.

hope it all works out oK for u.

[apdturbo]

kahrs are just very tight no slop guns, they take a little bit to properly wear and naturally smooth out.

hope the it functions better for you upon its return.

[motorcityfred]

Why do I have to fix my own gun? Kahr knows they have issues with their mags.Just wondering what is the come back percent rate is on new kahrs? There are 2 or 3 lgs in my area that don't sell kahr because they have too many malfunctions. If the motor city built cars and trucks like kahr builds guns we all would be mechanics.

[Bawanna]

Alot of gun shops and a lot of shooter get a puzzled look on their face when you say Kahr. Just haven't heard of them. I know they were out for a long time before I knew who or what they were.

Alot of shops hear rumors that there are issues, take them as gospel or have one come back with an issue and call it pandemic and dont want to sell anymore.

I had one dealer tell me I didn't want one when I got my PM45, said they were too expensive. So I just went to Buds and got one. They didn't say they were too expensive.

Alot of guys behind the counter at gun shops could do equally well working on a used car lot so I don't take what alot of them say like it came from the good book.

Truth be told if you have no tolerance for tweaking or breaking in a gun, to make it reliable and run well then maybe a Kahr isn't for you. And that's perfectly ok. There's very little that will compare with them for size and carry comfort but there are many that are close.

PS- I don't know anyone that owns a car that doesn't want a good mechanic for a friend or a plumber far as that goes. The difference is motorcity builds em so a mere mortal even with a big tool box can't work on anything, sort of computers with wheels and transmissions anymore.

[dzldust]

just put another 200 rounds through my CM9 without a hitch,did you use the same ammo on both trips when you had the nose dives?

[Bill K]

Sorry to read that you had issues with your CM9. Hope Kahr gets it running 100% and back to you in short order.

[TucsonMTB]

just put another 200 rounds through my CM9 without a hitch,did you use the same ammo on both trips when you had the nose dives?
+1 . . . I don't have a 9mm Kahr, but my PM40's are both rather picky about JHP rounds. They seem to like shorter, lighter bullets, with a rounded profile. Come to think of it, I believe I bought the lightest FMJ rounds early on too, trying to reduce the recoil for my wife during break-in.

Anyway, when your gun comes back, please allow me to suggest finding a 115 grain or 124 grain FMJ round that is cost effective for the break-in period. Then cautiously explore available JHP rounds to find something your gun likes.

Once you find the right ammo, I would suggest that you resist the urge to wander or you will have a small pile of ammo your pistol does not like, as I do. :rolleyes:

Best of luck and welcome to the forum. :D

[motorcityfred]

I ran winchester white box 124 grain fmj 150 rounds each time I went to the range, kahr asked what kind of ammo I was using and when I told them they said ship the gun the back them. When I get the gun back from kahr I'm running back to the range to check it out.

[TucsonMTB]

I ran winchester white box 124 grain fmj 150 rounds each time I went to the range, kahr asked what kind of ammo I was using and when I told them they said ship the gun the back them. When I get the gun back from kahr I'm running back to the range to check it out.
If you don't have too much of the Winchester stuff, try to find some Federal American Eagle. It should be similar in cost and probably more consistent. Several people I know will not buy WWB no matter how cheap because they have had bad luck with it. Not in Kahr pistols, by the way.

Anyway, it sounds like you have it under control. I'll keep some fingers crossed just in case and hope for a positive report. :)

[yqtszhj]

I ran winchester white box 124 grain fmj 150 rounds each time I went to the range, kahr asked what kind of ammo I was using and when I told them they said ship the gun the back them. When I get the gun back from kahr I'm running back to the range to check it out.

You should be good to go when you get it back. Maybe there was a snag with your's. I can tell you once you get it running right you will love it. I'm up to 300 rounds and no (and I do mean zero) problems.

I carried my little LCP today to shoot it because it's been a while. After shooting the Kahr and then going to the LCP I asked myself why am I bothering. I like the Kahr too well now. Then I had a squib from some import ammo in the LCP after about 15 rounds so that ended my range time today. :(.

Hang in there. You will love that CM9.

[dzldust]

I have an LCP as well and between the CM9 and my MK9 they make it feel like junk,Now that I am used to the smooth Kahr trigger even my Glocks feel course and sharp.....

[motorcityfred]

Thanks guys for all your infor and help, I'll bet when I get my cm9 back it will be ready to rock and roll......Just remember there's no party like a DETROIT party because a DETROIT party never ends..........KID ROCK

[yqtszhj]

Thanks guys for all your infor and help, I'll bet when I get my cm9 back it will be ready to rock and roll......Just remember there's no party like a DETROIT party because a DETROIT party never ends..........KID ROCK

I like your state bec. my permit is honored there not to mention it's the locale of Ted Nugent the motor city mad man. Now, I have to make a trip to your neighbor state of IL and am not too thrilled about it. It's not honored there. But I guess I shouldnt worry since Chicago is one of the country's safest cities.:rolleyes:

[dean1818]

Maybe a dumb question, but did you use the slide stop, or slingshot the slide?

[motorcityfred]

Maybe a dumb question, but did you use the slide stop, or slingshot the slide?
I used the slide stop and it nose dive I think on the 2 or 3 round

[motorcityfred]

I like your state bec. my permit is honored there not to mention it's the locale of Ted Nugent the motor city mad man. Now, I have to make a trip to your neighbor state of IL and am not too thrilled about it. It's not honored there. But I guess I shouldnt worry since Chicago is one of the country's safest cities.:rolleyes:
Michigan is a right to carry state my ccw is honored in about 40 states if your state honor's Michigan then you can carry here.As far as my nick name go's it was a take off from terrible ted the motor city mad man

[Quickdraw]

Mine did the same thing on the 7 round mags before I worked that out. The 6 round mags have been perfect.

[motorcityfred]

Mine did the same thing on the 7 round mags before I worked that out. The 6 round mags have been perfect.
I send the gun back to kahr because to let them know they have bullshit mags. the follower hangs up and I think top of the mag.were the lips are is to wide and the bullets move around a bit

[jocko]

Why do I have to fix my own gun? Kahr knows they have issues with their mags.Just wondering what is the come back percent rate is on new kahrs? There are 2 or 3 lgs in my area that don't sell kahr because they have too many malfunctions. If the motor city built cars and trucks like kahr builds guns we all would be mechanics.

certainly don't have to fix a gun, u can do just what u did, send it back, The fix IMO is simple from what you stated where the rounds were hanging up at round 2/3. That is indicati8ve of the follower getting hung up by the mag release button. A 5 minute fix, IMO sure would have saved a ton of time. Many things on guns (all guns) are such that can be fixed/repaired, smoothed or what ever one wants to call it by the owner. We all want perfect guns , most are, those that are not are usually fixed right by the owjner. That is what these forums are also for to help a person who has what could be a minor issue.

The mag lips are such that the top round in kahr mag are loose compared to other mags. That will not change from kahr, It is what it is. This has been discussed and cussed many times on this forum.

[jocko]

ur quote:I send the gun back to kahr because to let them know they have bullshit mags. the follower hangs up and I think top of the mag.were the lips are is to wide and the bullets move around a bit


in less than 10 posts u are an authority on kahrs. u get my vote!!

[hdsteve69]

Sorry to hear your are having trouble, hopefully Kahr will get it fixed for you . I wouldn't be so quick to give up on Kahr though, once you get it back if you still have the same problem,like said previously try different ammo and certainly come back here for advice to make it right. Hell I know people with Kimbers that have issues due to ammo but they still love there guns they just shoot different ammo. I personally love both my Kahrs I have a cw40 and a k40 I have polished and put wolf springs in both these weapons and have not had a single problem in 1000 rounds between the two of them. I have ten different handguns I take to the range and I found myself leaving 8 of them at home most of the time since Ive owned my kahrs. As far as the motorcity putting bad cars out ,well I have been a mechanic for 14yrs and guess what they do put bad cars on the road no manufacture of any product sold here or any where makes a perfect product 100% of the time.

[motorcityfred]

Sorry guys if I upset anybody with my comments about kahr guns, don't worry your never hear a word out of me again

[Papa13]

I have run 260 thru my CM9 with out a hitch, factory and reloads, 115 gr and 124 gr. I like and am only using the 6 round mags. This is my first Kahr and been very pleased with it, hope you get yours going. Just my 2 cents worth!!

[Bawanna]

Sorry guys if I upset anybody with my comments about kahr guns, don't worry your never hear a word out of me again

No need to run off Fred. Certainly wasn't part of my long range plan. Everyone here is entitled to their opinions.

[hdsteve69]

Ya fred there is no reason to leave ,I think most are just trying to let you know that Kahrs are good weapons and can function very reliably and definately be a trustworthy weapon. You just have to give it a chance.

[yqtszhj]

Sorry guys if I upset anybody with my comments about kahr guns, don't worry your never hear a word out of me again

Hang around. You say exactly what you think so you fit in real well around here. This is a very Pro first and second amendment site.

[Dietrich]

What the heck happened to Fred?I missed everything again didn`t I?

[Rotorflyr]

Why do I have to fix my own gun? Kahr knows they have issues with their mags.Just wondering what is the come back percent rate is on new kahrs? There are 2 or 3 lgs in my area that don't sell kahr because they have too many malfunctions. If the motor city built cars and trucks like kahr builds guns we all would be mechanics.

If the motorcity built cars/trucks the way kahr builds guns, there'd be fewer cars in shops in need of repairs.


Fred also should have considered trying more then one brand of ammo before declaring it a catastrophe. :p

[wayneo1]

Fred was sorta like march, in like a lion and out like a lamb. :)

[bonjorno2]

I hope it all works out

[wayneo1]

It will Khar will take care of him.

[Rainman48314]

I ran winchester white box 124 grain fmj 150 rounds each time I went to the range, kahr asked what kind of ammo I was using and when I told them they said ship the gun the back them. When I get the gun back from kahr I'm running back to the range to check it out.My PM9 shoots 115 gr best. I use Rem UMC, American Eagle, WWB. My carry round is an old standby, Federal Hydro-Shok 115 gr JHP. Boxes are a full 50 count for $16.79 + shipping. I have not done any polishing, grinding, mechanical tweaking etc. I just took time...250 rounds or so.

I also carry a Sig P238 .380 Auto. It took getting a replacement gun and a trip back to Exeter on the second one to be 100%. Guns are like nothing else you'll ever own. The smaller your gun is, the more precise ther physics has to be, ditto for timing of moving parts. Your job is to grip tight and shoot enough to break it in. Anywhere from 150 to 300 rounds. Good luck.

[charliegriffitts]

Hate to hear that you had issues with your CM9. I picked one up the other day, and didn't even clean it before shooting. I took it straight from the store to my shooting area. I put 300 rounds of wwb through it fairly rapidly and all kinds of gunk ran out as it heated up. I took it home where it came apart very easily, took about an hour to clean all the crap out of it from the wwb, but in all 300 rounds using just the 6 round flush fit that came with it I never had a single FTF or FTE. It ran perfectly.

[Bear549]

I had the same issues with my CM9 if you look at the threads. Mine just seems to picky on ammo and I will just keep shooting what it likes and after 1000 rounds or so I plan to try the other ammo again. Everyone just told me to hang in there and it will get better, which it did.

[hoghunter]

Any issues with Speer Lawman 115gr?

[Devo]

I used the slide stop and it nose dive I think on the 2 or 3 round

This sounds like my CM9 post from a couple months ago.
Most of the issue was cleared up by a polished feed ramp.

[RogerP9fan]

I was like Fred last year with my dud of a P9. Glad I decided to give Kahr another shot this year with the CM9 and then the CW45. Couldn't be happier with both.

[jocko]

indeed Roger P9, u jcertainly paid ur dues to own a good working kahr. Evidently there was something in ur brain that said the CURE is worth the PAIN.

It is very easy to get down hearted when a gun doesn't work like we all expect it to. Most gun owners probably have been there done that to. Some just get lucky. Some buy guns take um home never to be fired BUT THEY CAN SAY THEY GOT SO AND SO. One is gonna read of all kinds of things on a gun forum, u just gotta sift the gold from the sand and make as good a decision on a new purchase as u can.

We don't know who is putting "ur" gun togethertoday either. He might be some sigle guy eyeing a super blonde down the assembly line and just forgot to put the firing pin in the gun today or reversed the magazine spring in the magazine etc. If it can happen, trust me it will happen:blah::blah: