View Full Version : Kahr is taking a whopping
recoilguy
08-15-2011, 11:15 AM
on another web site I frequent. handgunforum dot net has a bunch of "Bad experiances with my Kahr" posts.
I have pointed some of them this way. It bums me to see the problems Kahr owners seem to be experiancing and if that was the only site I read I would certianly shy away from Kahrs.
RCG
BuckeyeBlast
08-15-2011, 11:29 AM
Kahr's are a beautiful thing when they're working right, and a PITA when they're not.
Bawanna
08-15-2011, 11:33 AM
Kahr's are a beautiful thing when they're working right, and a PITA when they're not.
Pretty much like everything in life huh? Cars, refrigerators, wives, power tools..........
dzldust
08-15-2011, 11:51 AM
it's the same on every forum if its not a gen 4 Glock having a problem its a Kimber,thats what its all about ,making it run smoother ,better or more reliable.alot of times its ammo or a limp wrister and first thing they do is get on a forum and bash the gun or the manufacterer then the frenzy begins.....I try to read up and give most quality firearms a chance but sometimes you get one made on a Monday after a crazy weekend or a friday when someone is rushing to get outta dodge
jocko
08-15-2011, 12:09 PM
Kahr's are a beautiful thing when they're working right, and a PITA when they're not.
like owning my Porsche..:target:
Longitude Zero
08-15-2011, 12:25 PM
Pleased customers generally remain silent. Mad customers carp without limit.
jocko
08-15-2011, 12:26 PM
boy u got that right
Popeye
08-15-2011, 03:29 PM
It's the net when someone says something negative about anything others have to jump on the band wagon.:19:
jocko
08-15-2011, 03:38 PM
course also if one is to believe everything he reads on the internet, then he needs some serious mental health treatment
yqtszhj
08-15-2011, 04:06 PM
Funny, I have a Kahr (had 2 total), 2 Berettas, 2 Rugers, a colt, a RIA .45, and that's just the handguns and I have never had any real problem with any of them or my rifles that wasn't either ammo or shooter related. Mostly shooter.
I did have the chance to make a mistake and buy a Kel-Tec PF9 but my gun guy steered me away from it to my first Kahr. I'm glad he did. Not only did I get a good gun but ended up here with all the other clowns on this forum where I might actualy fit (or should I say mis-fit) in.
Send any Kahr complainers this way and we'll try to help them see the light.
BuckeyeBlast
08-15-2011, 04:18 PM
Pretty much like everything in life huh? Cars, refrigerators, wives, power tools..........
Kinda, but most car or refrigerator problems I can diag and fix myself. Now, you did hit the nail on the head when you mentioned wives though. :D
Barth
08-15-2011, 05:01 PM
Funny, I have a Kahr (had 2 total), 2 Berettas, 2 Rugers, a colt, a RIA .45, and that's just the handguns and I have never had any real problem with any of them or my rifles that wasn't either ammo or shooter related. Mostly shooter.
I did have the chance to make a mistake and buy a Kel-Tec PF9 but my gun guy steered me away from it to my first Kahr. I'm glad he did. Not only did I get a good gun but ended up here with all the other clowns on this forum where I might actualy fit (or should I say mis-fit) in.
Send any Kahr complainers this way and we'll try to help them see the light.
+1.
Lots of guns with zero problems.
What are these people doing anyway - LOL!
jocko
08-15-2011, 05:16 PM
Kinda, but most car or refrigerator problems I can diag and fix myself. Now, you did hit the nail on the head when you mentioned wives though. :D
wives are no problem, screw um dump their asses, pay 90% of all ur income for the rest of your life, support her and her next husband. Life is good, u just gotta put it in the right perspective:target:
yqtszhj
08-15-2011, 05:33 PM
wives are no problem, screw um dump their asses, pay 90% of all ur income for the rest of your life, support her and her next husband. Life is good, u just gotta put it in the right perspective:target:
I messed up, I married, had kids, and have been working my tail off before and ever sense. I should have married jocko's ex wife instead. ;)
apdturbo
08-15-2011, 05:34 PM
great topic, as with the springfield/hs produkt XD pistol line, they are bombproof say for 1 thing. the "striker retaining pin" is a pin designed to be a replaceable weak point in the pistol to prevent the striker from maxing out against the backside of the breechface. they supposedly fail after several thousand rounds however some fail within several hundred and some have been shot 10's of thousands of rounds with the original still perfect. this little pin has created much topic and contraversy for the xd/xdm line...... its a few cents for an upgraded replacement and only a few minutes to swap in yet still bashing.
TheTman
08-15-2011, 05:43 PM
If you believed everything you read on the internet, you'd never buy anything. It all has to be taken with a grain of salt, and realize, someone is pissed off and venting. And as someone mentioned earlier, others are quick to joing the mudslinging. As has been said thousands of time, happy owners don't post much, this site being an exception to that.
jocko
08-15-2011, 06:23 PM
and some are just TROLLS who like to stir and move on ..
cgo99
08-15-2011, 07:09 PM
If you believed everything you read on the internet, you'd never buy anything. It all has to be taken with a grain of salt, and realize, someone is pissed off and venting. And as someone mentioned earlier, others are quick to joing the mudslinging. As has been said thousands of time, happy owners don't post much, this site being an exception to that.
Amen to that, I gotta say I see members of this forum praising their Kahrs quite often (me included). That's not always the case in other forums so either Khars are pretty good or you are a bunch of freaks.......or maybe both, who knows!!
.......Now, you did hit the nail on the head when you mentioned wives though. :D
Yeah. He really hooked me with that one, too. The first three broke down pretty early on. This one, at 25 years, is way out of warranty and showing a lot of wear, but is still fully functional/works pretty good.
PattayaPistol
08-15-2011, 07:43 PM
It took me a few years to get up the courage to buy my Kahr. I had read all the bad Internet reports about how unreliable they were. I also stumbled upon this forum with some good reviews but was still worried, as (living in Thailand) I don't have the option of returning any defective gun to the mother ship. However I bit the bullet, bought my PM9 and it has become my favorite gun. Most of my other guns stay in the safe now-a-days.
Yes, the Internet reviews can really affect people's perception.
Now, as for former wives.............. :eek: No, I will not go there.
Cheers
PP
Longitude Zero
08-16-2011, 08:29 AM
For the money Kahrs are just about the best thing going. When you stick with the known names in the industry, S&W, Kahr, Colt, Ruger etc you rarely get a clanger. Go with some off brand and the troubles are endless.
If you want to see a POS brand scrambling try looking up the Diamondback DB380 and DB9. Non-stop problems from the get go. Also this is the same firm that Kahr is suing for patent/copyright infringemenet.
O'Dell
08-16-2011, 12:24 PM
I messed up, I married, had kids, and have been working my tail off before and ever sense. I should have married jocko's ex wife instead. ;)
I have TWO ex-wives - no waiting. :rolleyes:
jocko
08-16-2011, 01:06 PM
u wouldnot want my x-wife, . trust me on that.I pass to O'Dell, with two x's he certainly didn't learn .
O'Dell
08-16-2011, 02:37 PM
Funny, I have a Kahr (had 2 total), 2 Berettas, 2 Rugers, a colt, a RIA .45, and that's just the handguns and I have never had any real problem with any of them or my rifles that wasn't either ammo or shooter related. Mostly shooter.
I did have the chance to make a mistake and buy a Kel-Tec PF9 but my gun guy steered me away from it to my first Kahr. I'm glad he did. Not only did I get a good gun but ended up here with all the other clowns on this forum where I might actualy fit (or should I say mis-fit) in.
Send any Kahr complainers this way and we'll try to help them see the light.
Unfortunately, I did make that mistake, and never did get my PF9 to be reliable. I sold it and bought my first Kahr, a CW9, and have been in the Kahr Kamp ever since for a small, light, and dependable carry gun.
In the last five years, since the PF9 episode, I have bought about forty pistols. [Those two burglaries took their toll] Only two have had any issues at all. Both were expensive 3" 1911's, and both had a problem of not going completely into battery part of the time. The Kimber's problem was solved with better mags, and the STI required a reaming and polishing of the chamber and a stronger recoil assy, which was handled by the factory. Now all my pistols operate as the should.
TheTman
08-16-2011, 02:38 PM
I'll have an ex-wife up for auction soon. She's a good woman if you don't mind being told how worthless you are and how you never do anything worthwhile. She was wonderful support during my rounds of chemo, expecting a spotless house with fully manicured lawn at all times, because I "was allowed" to stay home while she had to go to work every day. Now I should add she did give me a break when I was about half dead with pnuemonia, thinking it was just side effects from the chemo. And she did take me to the hospital after an EMT friend saw me and told her too. (I think to get me well enough so she could browbeat me some more). Other than that she is a fine woman. And she doesn't like guns, so she won't steal your nice pistols. I'll start the bidding off at 1 Springfield Armory 1911 to take her.
pyth0n
08-17-2011, 02:18 PM
Mechanical things break. Sometimes sooner than than later. I used my P9 in an unofficial IDPA style match to test the gun and myself. I wasn't the fastest but all rounds were centered and the gun didn't miss a beat. For competition, which is not the purpose of the gun, the capacity made for reload practice. My P40 was recently sent back because the slide release was breaking the magazine followers. Kahr fixed it (time will tell).
REB 27
08-17-2011, 03:01 PM
Man, I've had a Kahr for about ten years, with flawless functioning. I wish somebody on the internet had've gotten hold of me to tell me all the problems I was gonna have with it...
yqtszhj
08-17-2011, 03:13 PM
I have TWO ex-wives - no waiting. :rolleyes:
Thanks but I'll pass.
I'll have an ex-wife up for auction soon. She's a good woman if you don't mind being told how worthless you are and how you never do anything worthwhile. She was wonderful support during my rounds of chemo, expecting a spotless house with fully manicured lawn at all times, because I "was allowed" to stay home while she had to go to work every day. Now I should add she did give me a break when I was about half dead with pnuemonia, thinking it was just side effects from the chemo. And she did take me to the hospital after an EMT friend saw me and told her too. (I think to get me well enough so she could browbeat me some more). Other than that she is a fine woman. And she doesn't like guns, so she won't steal your nice pistols. I'll start the bidding off at 1 Springfield Armory 1911 to take her.
Pass on this one also. Thanks for the opportunity.
Just curious though, were you offering to give someone a Springfield 1911 to taker off of your hands? :rolleyes:
TucsonMTB
08-17-2011, 03:25 PM
My P40 was recently sent back because the slide release was breaking the magazine followers. Kahr fixed it (time will tell).
Hey Mr. pyth0n!
Tell us more about the slide lock breaking magazine followers, please. Did Kahr make that assessment of the cause? My PM40 has broken a couple, but it seemed to be follower defects because replacing the follower itself seems to have stopped it from happening.
Oh, and Congratulations for being from the "Old Pueblo". Welcome to the forum! :)
TheTman
08-17-2011, 05:18 PM
Yes yqtszhj, I was offering someone a Springfield 1911 in excellant condition to take her off my hands. That would be a bargain for me. I imagine though it wouldn't take long before they sent the gun and the wife back, or at least the wife.
pyth0n
08-18-2011, 02:07 AM
Hey Mr. pyth0n!
Tell us more about the slide lock breaking magazine followers, please. Did Kahr make that assessment of the cause? My PM40 has broken a couple, but it seemed to be follower defects because replacing the follower itself seems to have stopped it from happening.
Oh, and Congratulations for being from the "Old Pueblo". Welcome to the forum! :)
I have 2 P40s. The one I sent in had a smaller engagement area on the slide lock, and looked to be hitting at the fwd edge of the metal insert. The metal insert in the follower was breaking out of the plastic. I sent them this gun because it also released the slide when the mag was inserted and didn't lock the slide back after the last round. Since the mags were used in both guns, I had decided this was the one that should be sent back. I only wrote Kahr that the followers were breaking and let them trouble shoot the problem. They replaced the slide lock and followers in the magazines. The slide lock now looks identical to the one in the gum that did not go back. Hopefully I chose the right gun to send. I think I did. Time will tell if the problem is permenantly fixed.
I also have a P9 and notice that the insert is round rather than flat like the P40. I wonder why the difference. I'll have to e-mail the question to them.
Thanks for the welcome.
TucsonMTB
08-18-2011, 08:16 AM
Hopefully I chose the right gun to send. I think I did. Time will tell if the problem is permanently fixed.
I also have a P9 and notice that the insert is round rather than flat like the P40. I wonder why the difference. I'll have to e-mail the question to them.
Thanks for the welcome.
I wonder if it was Kahr or the dealer who installed the wrong slide stop. Either way, I am impressed by the way you handled it. Thanks for sharing. :)
pyth0n
08-18-2011, 12:45 PM
I wonder if it was Kahr or the dealer who installed the wrong slide stop. Either way, I am impressed by the way you handled it. Thanks for sharing. :)
This gun was the older of the two and I bought it new. So, I'm the original owner. Also the slide lock springs are different from each other, reversed. One comes under the screw (counter clockwise) & over the lock. The other comes over the screw (clockwise) then over the lock. They're held in with different screws, one an allen head, the other a common slot.
TucsonMTB
08-18-2011, 12:53 PM
That sounds worthy of a picture or two, if you have the opportunity.
jocko
08-18-2011, 01:05 PM
python, are u sure of that slide lock spring thing. that is the first I have ever heard of that,
If the spring is under the slide lock lug on the inside it weill always want to push the lever upward and cause slide locking all the tme. That spring IMO has to be on the top part of the slide lock lever sitting in that groove on that littlle nub on the inside. The purpose of that spring is to push the slide lock lever downard, never upward.
One being held in place by a Torx size 6 tool, not a allen, and the other if I understand is a slotted pol;uymer looking peace. That is a much older version and has not been around for quite a few years, but I still thought the spring worked exactly the same way.
Maybe GB6491 can straighten u or I ou8t on this , but to my knowledgfe there is only one slide lock spring for the Pseries be it 9mm or 40 cal.
I have no doubt if you put that spring under the slide lock,ur gonna get slide locking open every shot, to test my theory out, take the slide off, and now reinstall that spring accoridng to what your saying and then the slide lock lever. It is gonna want to push that slide stop lever up instandly without any magazine in the gun and that is wrong.
pyth0n
08-18-2011, 02:29 PM
python, are u sure of that slide lock spring thing. that is the first I have ever heard of that,
If the spring is under the slide lock lug on the inside it weill always want to push the lever upward and cause slide locking all the tme. That spring IMO has to be on the top part of the slide lock lever sitting in that groove on that littlle nub on the inside. The purpose of that spring is to push the slide lock lever downard, never upward.
One being held in place by a Torx size 6 tool, not a allen, and the other if I understand is a slotted pol;uymer looking peace. That is a much older version and has not been around for quite a few years, but I still thought the spring worked exactly the same way.
Maybe GB6491 can straighten u or I ou8t on this , but to my knowledgfe there is only one slide lock spring for the Pseries be it 9mm or 40 cal.
I have no doubt if you put that spring under the slide lock,ur gonna get slide locking open every shot, to test my theory out, take the slide off, and now reinstall that spring accoridng to what your saying and then the slide lock lever. It is gonna want to push that slide stop lever up instandly without any magazine in the gun and that is wrong.
I see what I wrote. I was thinking the follower pushing the slide lock up when I meant the spring pushing down. Thinking one thing and saying something else. The spring was looped around the top (clock wise & lwr anchor) and then came over the slide stop to push it down to unlock. There are two anchor hole in both my guns for the different spring set up. Kahr also changed that on my gun. Now both come under the screw (counter clockwise & upper anchor) and push down. The leg of the spring pushing down was in the same spot to rest on the slide lock. I wish I had taken a before picture. The take down video (4:36) @ Kahr shows the sloted screw in the P & K. The spring is in the counter clockwise direction around the screw & the upper anchor hole. Think I got it right this time.
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