Another small 9mm being introduced: Beretta Nano

[gb6491]

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2011/08/15/beretta-nano/

[Bawanna]

Rather boxey looking but not bad. I'll be looking to see one when they hit the shelves.

No external slide lock doesn't sound appealing but surely there must be some logic or something I'm missing in that regard.

It looks like they borrowed alot of design from all the other manufacturers.

[TheTman]

Damn, I really like Italian made Beretta's. If it's Berretta, it won't be inexpensive, so many guns and so little money . :hurt:
I think I'll keep looking for .357 wheelgun for now.

[O'Dell]

Damn, I really like Italian made Beretta's. If it's Berretta, it won't be inexpensive, so many guns and so little money . :hurt:
I think I'll keep looking for .357 wheelgun for now.

The writeup said retail of about $475 - Probably about $325 to $350 street.

It would have been nice to have the dimensions and weight - pretty important in a CC gun. So far with all the "pocket" nines coming out, I haven't seen anything that would tempt me to trade the PM9.

[jocko]

:19:the internal slide lock sounds interesting, other than that sure not gonna ride in my pocket...

NANO what a damn name, almost as bad as Bawanna:19:

[TucsonMTB]

Dayam! If you want to read about any of the new products in the handgun industry . . . KahrTalk is the place! Thanks for sharing, Greg!

I share Bawanna's lack of enthusiasm for the absence of a slide lock, but I have a couple of .380 ACP pocket guns with the same issue, so it may not be a big deal. Certainly one less thing for people to be annoyed about when it fails to lock or locks prematurely. For a pocket gun, that may actually be a positive to some people.

At least the interchangeable sub-frame will handle .40 S&W. That is a good thing in my opinion. However, it will be very hard for anything displace my enthusiasm for the PM40 design unless it has a magic trigger or a self-cleaning feature, or maybe loads its own magazines. Just kidding about the last two. :D

[jocko]

Maybe I missed that Tcson mtb, but us dummies up here in Indiana took that statement to be it was an internal slide stop but I guess after thinking about that for a minute, how would one disengage if necessary??
damn, that meanas
Bawanna was probably right and ol jocko was wrong--again.

oh my, I best take myh meds..

personall that interchangeable sub frame stuff is b. s. I would serioulsly doubt if that crapola is being done much by the other maker that advertises that crap to, I think it was sig even. sounds good, stillu have only one gun in the end, and to me maybe you have to draw the design line down the middel to accomadate different calibers. Make a 9 and forget about all those other calibers, or make a 40 and forget about all those other calibers. YMMV.:target:

[wayneo1]

too chunky looking,

[jocko]

forgot about how the kt32 worked even. Ha done of them to. Broke two barrel lugs in a row with the 32. The lugs were so pouse it wa sunbelievable. they replaced my barrel with a new one and I got less than 50 rounds out of it and it busted the lug again. I peddled it as soon as I got it back. P:itifufl fokking gun, IMO>

[yqtszhj]

Looks like a Glock/Diamondback/Boberg cross. I would like to shoot one though.

[gb6491]

Dayam! If you want to read about any of the new products in the handgun industry . . . KahrTalk is the place! Thanks for sharing, Greg!.....
You are welcome kind sir.

Some thoughts:
Unless there is a lever on the other side (which I doubt as they tout the absence of a external slide stop), it looks like you'll need a tool (maybe a cartridge rim) to disassemble it as that looks like a slotted dis-assembly pin and has an arrow next to it. Duh: they write: "Completely snag free design"

I wonder if there is an internal slide stop as per some European and American guns: IE the slide will hold open after the last round is fired, but can be released by the slingshot method (with either an empty magazine well or magazine with rounds in it). Oops, I see my fellow Arizonian has already brought this up.

The frame reads: "Retract slide to see if loaded. Fires without magazine." (there's another line but I can't make it out). That seem to indicate no magazine disconnect or LCI.

Glock style trigger device, but the trigger looks like it might have long travel.

Looks like the mag latch could be reversible. Double Duh, they wrote: "Totally ambidextrous"

I wonder if the two little indents at the front of the frame will serve as some type of rail.

I'm guessing close to PM/CM 9 size with a taller slide. If other Berettas are any indicator, the slide will probably be a little wider as well (seems the Italians like'em top heavy). Could they have squeezed an 7 rounds in there?

Regards,
Greg

[BEARDOG]

Cool. I will have to check one out.
A Beretta 92F was the first pistol I bought when I turned 21. It is still is my go to SHTF gun, totally reliable for over 20+yrs and 1000's of rounds.
I hope they come up with the specs soon??? They should have released that info first!

[Dietrich]

It will be interesting to see what they`re all about when they hit the shelves.Beretta has instant name recognition and a reputation for making fine firearms but Kahr has set the standard for tough,dependable,9mm pocket pistols.Let`s see how they match up.:popcorn:

[BEARDOG]

The frame reads: "Retract slide to see if loaded. Fires without magazine." (there's another line but I can't make it out). That seem to indicate no magazine disconnect or LCI.


Regards,
Greg

I believe the last line reads. DO NOT PULL TRIGGER FOR DISASSEMBLY.
A good thing!;)
Another good thing... A Nicely fitted FLUSH floor plate... WoW! :rolleyes:

[Barth]

Damn, I really like Italian made Beretta's. If it's Berretta, it won't be inexpensive, so many guns and so little money . :hurt:
I think I'll keep looking for .357 wheelgun for now.

http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/1851087_sw640_4m?hei=380&wid=380

[gb6491]

I believe the last line reads. DO NOT PULL TRIGGER FOR DISASSEMBLY.
A good thing!;)
By golly, I believe it do too! Thank you kindly :)
Regards,
Greg

[jocko]

wow, all that damn writing on these guns, turns my stomach. They take a nice looking gun and then fokk it up with the koran written all over it. Kahr did that with the Mass complaint PM9 on top of the slide. Put a damn sticker on the gun and let the owner see it, read it and then peel that crap off.

"retract slide to see if loaded, fires without magazsine. Give me a fokking break here please. that crap in itself would ruin any sale for me. I know I know, lawyer crap, shoot um all, bury them in one hole save big bucks.

[gb6491]

http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/1851087_sw640_4m?hei=380&wid=380
Barth,
Nice looking S&W! Where did you get those grips?
I have a similar style on my model 60-9, but minus the checkering and scroll work. I kind of like that.
http://i54.tinypic.com/14sj28.jpg
Regards,
Greg

[JFootin]

It would have been nice to have the dimensions and weight - pretty important in a CC gun. So far with all the "pocket" nines coming out, I haven't seen anything that would tempt me to trade the PM9.

Not pretty at all. I wouldn't trade my CM9 for it. The only "pocket" nine that makes me drool a little bit is the Kimber Solo. It is pretty to start with and you can put wood grips on it!

[Barth]

Barth,
Nice looking S&W! Where did you get those grips?
I have a similar style on my model 60-9, but minus the checkering and scroll work. I kind of like that.

Regards,
Greg

Unfortunately that's not my gun... (sad now)
Thinking of picking up a 640-1 and found that pic browsing the net.
These are my guns.
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo11/21/d6/b5617a557189__1313271879000.jpg

Looks like that's a special factory Smith
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_766309_-1_757959_757780_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

[gb6491]

...They take a nice looking gun and then fokk it up with the koran written all over it....
Darn, do you have a Helwan too?:D
http://i51.tinypic.com/2u5e69e.jpg
Regards,
Greg

[jocko]

Oh my that is verse 19, paragraph 6 on page 2 of the koran. I know exactly what that says. It is geared towards muslims. it says to,,, " see if loaded, please point towards head and pull trigger."

[TheTman]

I don't think it looks bad at all. Everyone is gonna have an opinion on how it looks. I just know the two Beretta's I've shot, my friends 92 made in Italy way before our military took an interest in them, and my own Italian Cougar .40 have been absolutely flawless. The only "problem" we had, was back testing reloads, and my friend was experimenting with very light loads and we finally reached a point where there wasn't enough power to cycle the slide. Neither has had a problem when using commercial ammo or reloads that were within the specs. If the Nano continues this tradition, I will probably be very interested, the price mentioned seemed very reasonable, next we'll have to compare dimensions to the PM/CM9. Nothing against Kahr, but I've had such good luck with Beretta's that they are my number 1 choice in semi's. If Beretta had something similiar to the CW line, I'd probably have those instead of my CW. Their compact pistols have double stack mags with way too fat handles for me to conceal efficiently under a tshirt with my skinny frame. My CCW used to be the Cougar, (mostly jacket weather and colder) and the Charter Arms .44 for summer, until a friend let me shoot his CW45 and I really liked the dimensions, the way it fit my hand, and the way it shot. It conceals well with a tshirt and I've become quite fond of my 2 CW's. I'd have to check the trigger and this no external slide release on the Nano before I'd buy one, and would really like a .40 so I don't have another SD ammo to stock up on.
Oops, forgot about my little .32 Beretta Tomcat. It's not quite as reliable as the others I mentioned, but I think that's mosly rimlock problems inherent in the .32 cartridge. Most times dropping the mag and slapping the back of it against a solid surface clears the problem up, surely not something you'd want to have to do in a SD event.

[jocko]

justmy two cents, I would think beretta is not going to be lose to the karh in size, and weight. I might be wrong and soon there will be stats on it to. I don't forsee a 14 oz nano,

Beretta always made good guns, that is what they do for a living. Their long guns are a treasure to hold and shoot..

[muggsy]

Rather boxey looking but not bad. I'll be looking to see one when they hit the shelves.

No external slide lock doesn't sound appealing but surely there must be some logic or something I'm missing in that regard.

It looks like they borrowed alot of design from all the other manufacturers.

The NANO does lock open after the last shot is fired. It doesn't have, or need an external slide release. You simply slingshot the slide. No nose dives or failures to feed. You don't have to polish the feed ramp or sand the magazine follower. I hate to admit it, but it looks like Beretta has built a better mouse trap. Check out the Beretta torture test on You Tube. From the assembly line, degreased and 1,000 rounds fired in one range session with no cleaning, and no failures of any kind. Now that's performance.

[Russ]

Rather boxey looking but not bad. I'll be looking to see one when they hit the shelves.

No external slide lock doesn't sound appealing but surely there must be some logic or something I'm missing in that regard.

It looks like they borrowed alot of design from all the other manufacturers.

I would like to provide my opinion as a Nano owner. The slide on the Nano will only lock if you have an empty magazine. Not a big deal operating without a slide lock unless you encounter a double feed issue. The Nano if you check on the Beretta forum several Nano owners including myself are experiencing issues where the spent shell is not leaving the chamber when using light loads. This problem of a spent shell in the chamber and the next round wanting to chamber I discovered was a challenge to clear with the absence of a slide lock. One hand I held open the slide and with the other hand pressed the mag release. If the mag dosent drop free you will need s third hand which I wad not born with so that is a time when the slide lock would be helpful.

The positive is reassembled of a field strip. Very slick. The slide will lock back into place and the screw which replaced the slide lock will turn automatically a quarter turn when the slide is in its proper place and your done resembling.

[jocko]

Nano way to early yet to get to excited about it. It certainly offers nothingto make me ugle over it, nice gun but so is my Kahr, already Russ has stated some things he is not to happy about. Trust me in a 100 years there is still ONLY ONE MOUSE TRAP..
I hope it works out great. Beretta makes great stuff. Lots and lots of small compace 9's out there on the market today,one outta be able tofind one that please him. I'm gonna stick with what works perfect for me and that is my PM9. I really don't need to dry shoot my PM9 a 1000 rounds to trust it with my life. Actualy not sure I have ever seen any kahr people do a dry lube fireing either. It might just surprise the hell out of u. One does notneed to polish the feed ramp on kahrs, probably no better polished feed ramp out of the box today than kahrs. Sadning followers is certainloy not a pandemic thing with kahrs They proobably have 250K of them floating around out there. We tend to make to much out of a few doze that pop up on this forum and attribute them to all kahrs which is just not so. again IMO way way to early to start peeing one's pants over the nano. I wold bet for sure they will not be inthe weight class as the kahr cm9 or PM9, not gonna happen.

RUSS, I would like to think after a few hundred rounds the recoil spring on the Nano would ease up enogh that lighter loads would funciton better. It might be a tight recooil spring like kahrs at firt then it shoots itself in OK. Is it a dual captice recoil spring on the order of the kahrs PM series?? Nice to have an owner on here with both guns and we can get good and honest feedback.

specs:

Nano cm9 kahr

length 5.63 5.42 not worht arguing about
height 4.17 4" again not worth arguing about
barrel 3.07 3" not worht arguing about
width .09 .90 same (lets agrue that)
weight 17.7 ounc 14 ounce ,,, worth arguing about

price each around $400 +-

Nano is definitely pocketable.

Lets recall the kimber solo, it still has teething pains, very subjective to anything but premium loads. when any gun maker enters the world of the subs it is a whole new ball game. The Nano will be agood gun, but it has to past the shooters test first.

[jeepster09]

My gun can beat up your gun.......and it only weighs 25 ounces. :7:


http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv276/jeepster09/IMG_1335.jpg

[jocko]

damn I love that dual tone finish...makes me pee my pants even. really stinks up sh-t when riding my harley though as it gets all over the exhaust system and I then really have no issues with anyone when I want to park my bike though. ANYWHERE!!

[Russ]

Nano way to early yet to get to excited about it. It certainly offers nothingto make me ugle over it, nice gun but so is my Kahr, already Russ has stated some things he is not to happy about. Trust me in a 100 years there is still ONLY ONE MOUSE TRAP..
I hope it works out great. Beretta makes great stuff. Lots and lots of small compace 9's out there on the market today,one outta be able tofind one that please him. I'm gonna stick with what works perfect for me and that is my PM9. I really don't need to dry shoot my PM9 a 1000 rounds to trust it with my life. Actualy not sure I have ever seen any kahr people do a dry lube fireing either. It might just surprise the hell out of u. One does notneed to polish the feed ramp on kahrs, probably no better polished feed ramp out of the box today than kahrs. Sadning followers is certainloy not a pandemic thing with kahrs They proobably have 250K of them floating around out there. We tend to make to much out of a few doze that pop up on this forum and attribute them to all kahrs which is just not so. again IMO way way to early to start peeing one's pants over the nano. I wold bet for sure they will not be inthe weight class as the kahr cm9 or PM9, not gonna happen.

RUSS, I would like to think after a few hundred rounds the recoil spring on the Nano would ease up enogh that lighter loads would funciton better. It might be a tight recooil spring like kahrs at firt then it shoots itself in OK. Is it a dual captice recoil spring on the order of the kahrs PM series?? Nice to have an owner on here with both guns and we can get good and honest feedback.

specs:

Nano cm9 kahr

length 5.63 5.42 not worht arguing about
height 4.17 4" again not worth arguing about
barrel 3.07 3" not worht arguing about
width .09 .90 same (lets agrue that)
weight 17.7 ounc 14 ounce ,,, worth arguing about

price each around $400 +-

Nano is definitely pocketable.

Lets recall the kimber solo, it still has teething pains, very subjective to anything but premium loads. when any gun maker enters the world of the subs it is a whole new ball game. The Nano will be agood gun, but it has to past the shooters test first.

Jocko:

Yes, the Nano is a dual captice recoil spring. I think part of the issue is Beretta built the Nano on a 40 caliber platform and backed it down to a 9mm. It really is built like a tank and I think the over build may be part of the problem to accepting 115 grain loads. I hope the spring in time loosens up enough to shoot the cheap ammo because it shoots the heavy stuff with no problem and the recoil is very manageable due to the stout spring.

Note: I fired 150 rounds of 115 grain Federal and three failed to eject. An entirely different issue then what I encountered with the Cm9. With the Kahr I never had a spent shell not eject from the chamber. Usually it was a failure to feed into the chamber or a stove pipe.

I read on the Beretta sight to keep the gun locked open for a month to loosen the spring. One month sounds like a long time. I'll try a few days and see what happens.

Slide Lock/Double Feed/Field Strip:

As I mentioned in a previous post void of a slide lock is a little different especially if you encounter a double feed and the magazine will not fall free without some help. You only have two hands and unless the magazine will drop free without assistance a third hand which I was not born with comes in handy to clear the double feed.

The screw in place of the slide lock pin to disassemble is not like a regular threaded screw. It only turns a quarter turn and when turned the slide comes right off by firing the trigger or pushing the recessed deactivator button. To reinstall the slide all you do is take the slide and back it onto the rails and when the slide comes in contact with the shaft of the screw the screw will turn back a quarter turn into the locking position and you are done. It really is the slickest field strip I have ever encountered.

To lock the slide you need an empty magazine. To release the slide you release the empty magazine and pull back slightly on the slide and sling shot it.

Concealment:

I have pocket carried the Nano for the last three days using the exact same Desanti Super Fly I used when I owned my Kahr CM9. It fits and covers the trigger. The biggest difference is the weight. The Nano is heavier over my Cm9 and I can tell the difference. It is not huge but it is noticeable. Length is also slightly longer and height but it is not enough to make a big difference. The one thing I have noticed pocket concealing in my dress slacks is the Nano is muzzle heavy which has made for the gun to stay in a more muzzle to the ground position. I am not suggesting the CM9 completely turned in my pant pocket but I have noticed the Nano is just slightly more upright when pocket concealing. I don't think it is a big deal just an observation.

The added weight for the Nano I believe is in the receiver. When you field strip you can see the inside of the upper grip forward to the trigger is encased in stainless steel and the guild rails are more substantial.

Magazine:

No surprise the magazine on the Nano is better. The follower is steel instead of plastic. I would say the one negative the Nano has is the plastic base plat is huge but it does make for a finished look when in the gun. If you planned to carry an extra magazine in your pocket the large plate could be an issue catching on your pant pocket if you tried to remove quickly.

Sights/Aiming:

The Nano points well. I have not attempted to remove the removable sights and I don't plan to remove them after I read on the Beretta forum one person did not use loc tight and the sight came off. When he reinstalled he over tightened the set screws and stripped.

Accuracy:

I managed to group 7 rounds at 7 yards in 3 1/2 inches. About the same as I managed with the CM9. My eye sight is not the greatest. I figure if I am in a stressful situation hitting a target at 7 yards will be an accomplishment for me.

Trigger:

The trigger is good. You have to bring it all the way forward to reset. I think the Kahr trigger is a little better but the Nano is good.

Russ

[Ressom]

Maybe I didn't read that right, but do you need to do a field strip to clear a jam? And then you need to fire the trigger to do the field strip?

IMO, not a good design if that is the case.

[Ressom]

Ok, I see. It is also plastered on the side of the gun:eek::
http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz295/CycleWrencher/Guns/Guns001-2.jpg

Evidently you need to use the deactivator pin. So that means you need some kind of pin pusher along with a spent case (or maybe a fingernail) to twist the takedown pin in order to field strip.

Beretta is definitly trying some new stuff with this gun.

[jocko]

I just hate all that verbage on these guns. no douvbt lawyers said it has to be there for stupid people who probalby should not own such a gun in the first place. I still hate it with a passiohn.

[Popeye]

I got to tell ya Guys, I'm just not impressed with this pistol at all. Certainly would never trade my PM9 for one. I wish them well with it but I'll pass.

[jocko]

totally agree, glad u said that first though. Give me a cm9 any day..

[Popeye]

Jocko maybe it's just that picture, but the Nano looks to me like it sits higher in the hand then the CM/PM9's. Really doesn't do much for felt recoil and rapid follow up shots if it is. Not sure I get the whole deactivator pin dohicky or needing some sort of flat blade and pin pusher (tools) to break the pistol down.

[jocko]

yes and someone even posted the recoil was lighter than the cm9 which I find hard to believe as the gun bore axis from the photo is much higher than kahrs patented system. Course felt recoil is just that "felt recoil". I guess if the gun never jams etc, then this take dwon question and clear9ng the jam thing is a mute point. for as u know popeye, only kahr gun give issues!!!!!!!!

I like u am not here to bash the nano. another choice for gun owners is not a bad thing. Knowing what I know about my kahrs, I see not one thing in that nano that bends my crank:behindsofa:

[Popeye]

Absolutely no need to bash the Nano as every gun has features that some gun enthusiast like and others don't. Only time will tell how good of pistol the Nano really is. Like I mentioned I'm not impressed with it, but I'm sure many others be crazy about it. Either way like you say having another choice is a good thing.

[Russ]

You can field strip without pressing the deactivate button. The reason Beretta included that option was to reduce their liability of an accidental discharge when field stripping.

You don't need to field strip to clear a jam. I had a little bit of a challenge clearing a double feed jam (spent shell in chamber live round pressed up against spent shell) without a slide lock it made it a little tricky to clear. One hand to hold slide back to release the tension on the shell pressed against spent shell and second hand to press magazine release. If the magazine does not drop free you don't have another hand to remove magazine.

In that situation a slide lock would have made it easier. Russ

[jocko]

no doubt an owner will figure out how to clear a jam in time..

[Chuck54]

Didn't Mork say "nano nano" ?






I LIKE my PM9 and have not seen another small pistol I like better.

[Russ]

I pulled this from the Beretta Forum. I thought it may be helpful if anyone is having issues with failure to eject the spent shell. Personally, I never had issues with my CM9 ejecting the spent shell and I never read on this forum of others encountering that problem.

My new Nano is having issues (3 out of 150 rds) with Federal 115 gr at Walmart. I noticed that brand is at the bottom of this list for poser factor. Note: most of types of ammo near the bottom are Walmart ammo.

I have checked on the internet for low cost 9 mm with a higher power factor and I found USA ammo that is selling 124 grain with shiping at .24 each. USA is the cost of Walmart's cheapest 115 gr stuff. I will let you know how it does. I also found some Fiochhi 124 grain for .28 each and the 115 grain was about the same as the USA ammo and that includes shipping.

If you look at the chart the Fiochhi 124 grain is at the top for power factor. Of course this will not be an issue if your Kahr can shoot the lower power rated ammo.

From my personal experience unless the Nano recoil spring loosens up I will need to look to either a 124 grain or a higher power rating 115 grain which from this chart Walmart does not carry.

I thought it was interesting the Glock draws the line above the Walmart stuff as a minimum. My friend owns a Glock 26 and he can shoot anything. I really think alot depends on the number of shots fires from the recoil spring. The Nano may very well be ok accepting the cheap stuff after a few more rounds down range.

What I find encouraging is I have not encountered any failures to feed form the Nano. I believe the magazine plays a big part in FTF and honestly if Kahr would go elsewhere for a magazine I think a lot of the FTF issues would go away.

Russ




9mm FMJ Ballistics

Brand Weight Velocity Power Factor
Fiocchi 124 1180 146.32
Fiocchi 147 1000 147.00
Fiocchi 158 940 148.52
Am Eagle 147 1000 147.00
Win RA9124N NATO 124 1185 146.94
RWS Sport FMJ 124 1181 146.44
S&B 124 1181 146.44
Rem. Express 147 990 145.53
Magtech 147 990 145.53
UMC 147 990 145.53
Lawman 147 985 144.80
Prvi Partizan 147 984 144.65
S&B 115 1250 143.75
Fiocchi 115 1250 143.75
Am Eagle 124 1150 142.60
Glock Minimum* 124 1148 142.35
Win USA 124 1140 141.36
Blazer 147 950 139.65
Lawman 115 1200 138.00
PMC Bronze 124 1110 137.64
Magtech 124 1109 137.52
Win USA 115 1190 136.85
Rem. Express/UMC 124 1100 136.40
Am Eagle 115 1180 135.70
Glock Minimum* 115 1180 135.70
Blazer/Blazer Brass 124 1090 135.16
Lawman 124 1090 135.16
Cor-Bon match 147 900 132.30
My Reloads 147 900 132.30
PMC Bronze 115 1150 132.25
Prvi Partizan 115 1148 132.02
Blazer/Blazer Brass 115 1145 131.68
Rem. Express/UMC 115 1135 130.53
Magtech 115 1135 130.53
Federal Champ 115 1125 129.38

*Per 2000 Glock Armorer's manual

[jocko]

give ur nano some time it will funciton with WWb as good as any out there. as stout as kahrs are for recoil springs, wwb works fine in kahrs, has in mine for over 32K, that is all I shoot for range fodder, out of my K9, G19 also.

let those nano sprinbgs ktake their designed set and I bet it will be perfect with wwb.

[Russ]

give ur nano some time it will funciton with WWb as good as any out there. as stout as kahrs are for recoil springs, wwb works fine in kahrs, has in mine for over 32K, that is all I shoot for range fodder, out of my K9, G19 also.

let those nano sprinbgs ktake their designed set and I bet it will be perfect with wwb.

Thanks Jocko

[Russ]

Not pretty at all. I wouldn't trade my CM9 for it. The only "pocket" nine that makes me drool a little bit is the Kimber Solo. It is pretty to start with and you can put wood grips on it!

JFootin

When I looked at the Nano from a picture I also thought it was ugly. It really looks nicer than the picture. I like the gradual edge they placed on the slide. Beginning where the slide is etched to take hold to rack there is a 45 degree edge that flares out as it reaches the muzzle. The gun is also very flat. It took some getting use to no slide lock but the nice thing is my wife is left handed and all I need to do is reverse the magazine release and you have a left handed firearm and the slide when locked open after the last round can be racked by a left handed person using their right hand.

As I mentioned in previous posts field striping is actually easier with the Nano design.


I would recommend you go handle one at Cabela's. Anyone who appreciates precision workmanship will wet their pant especially when you tear into the firearm and study the moving parts. It really is built like a Mercedes.


Russ

[jocko]

My two new mercedes that I have owned in the past 4 years are certainly nothing to brag about. I myself would not use that as a comparision.

[JFootin]

JFootin

When I looked at the Nano from a picture I also thought it was ugly. It really looks nicer than the picture. I like the gradual edge they placed on the slide. Beginning where the slide is etched to take hold to rack there is a 45 degree edge that flares out as it reaches the muzzle. The gun is also very flat. It took some getting use to no slide lock but the nice thing is my wife is left handed and all I need to do is reverse the magazine release and you have a left handed firearm and the slide when locked open after the last round can be racked by a left handed person using their right hand.

As I mentioned in previous posts field striping is actually easier with the Nano design.


I would recommend you go handle one at Cabela's. Anyone who appreciates precision workmanship will wet their pant especially when you tear into the firearm and study the moving parts. It really is built like a Mercedes.


Russ

Russ,

I was just reacting flippantly based on the pictures. It does seem like it is a quality gun. I'd never trade my CM9 for one, though: Slide Show (http://s1230.photobucket.com/user/John_England/slideshow/My%20Custom%20CM9?sort=6). :D

[Russ]

My two new mercedes that I have owned in the past 4 years are certainly nothing to brag about. I myself would not use that as a comparision.

Jocko

I will never have the opportunity to look under the hood of a Mercedes. The only machine I own that the general public considers fine workmanship is my wife's Bosh bread maker.

If you want to drive your Mercedes to Utah you can give me a ride to the shooting range and the bullets are on me.

Russ

[jocko]

I guess I should refrase some of that. The engines are super. piss poor mileage though and premium gas is a deterent to me buying another one. labor costs are double whgat american cars are. I have a 04 audi with 80K on it and never touched the engine other than mobil one every 10K. My next vehicle will more than likel;y be a Gmc terrain for under 24K.

[Cokeman]

JFootin

When I looked at the Nano from a picture I also thought it was ugly. It really looks nicer than the picture. I like the gradual edge they placed on the slide. Beginning where the slide is etched to take hold to rack there is a 45 degree edge that flares out as it reaches the muzzle. The gun is also very flat. It took some getting use to no slide lock but the nice thing is my wife is left handed and all I need to do is reverse the magazine release and you have a left handed firearm and the slide when locked open after the last round can be racked by a left handed person using their right hand.

As I mentioned in previous posts field striping is actually easier with the Nano design.


I would recommend you go handle one at Cabela's. Anyone who appreciates precision workmanship will wet their pant especially when you tear into the firearm and study the moving parts. It really is built like a Mercedes.


Russ

Do they have more there?

[Russ]

Do they have more there?

Cokeman

They had the display gun. Not sure if they had anymore. I am a cash guy but they knocked off $25 when I opened and used their credit card.


I read on this thread someone is intetested in the 40 Nano when it comes out. This is what makes the Nano so unique. I can convert my Nano 9mm into the 40 with a conversion kit which consists of a barrel and magazine. Also if you don't like the frame no problem with the receiver serialized you can change out the frame for different shapes sizes colors etc. I was told Beretta will offer a frame with a molded into the frame laser. The sights are also removable so you can change out for night sights. I would caution I read one person striped out the screws. So you need to be careful not to over tighten and use lock tight.

Cokeman if you live near Kaysville Utah contact me and I would be happy to let you shoot my Nano at the local range. Russ

[Cokeman]

I handled one today. It was as big as I expected. If felt good though. The only thing I noticed that seemed weird was that the trigger was pretty gritty when I pulled it. With the slide off, it was totally smooth. It must be the striker that is gritty. Maybe a good cleaning would clear that up. I would like to get one.

I'm in Santaquin.

[muggsy]

too chunky looking,

So's my wife, but I still lover her. :)

[muggsy]

[QUOTE=Russ;110391]I pulled this from the Beretta Forum. I thought it may be helpful if anyone is having issues with failure to eject the spent shell. Personally, I never had issues with my CM9 ejecting the spent shell and I never read on this forum of others encountering that problem.

My new Nano is having issues (3 out of 150 rds) with Federal 115 gr at Walmart. I noticed that brand is at the bottom of this list for poser factor. Note: most of types of ammo near the bottom are Walmart ammo.

I have checked on the internet for low cost 9 mm with a higher power factor and I found USA ammo that is selling 124 grain with shiping at .24 each. USA is the cost of Walmart's cheapest 115 gr stuff. I will let you know how it does. I also found some Fiochhi 124 grain for .28 each and the 115 grain was about the same as the USA ammo and that includes shipping.

If you look at the chart the Fiochhi 124 grain is at the top for power factor. Of course this will not be an issue if your Kahr can shoot the lower power rated ammo.

From my personal experience unless the Nano recoil spring loosens up I will need to look to either a 124 grain or a higher power rating 115 grain which from this chart Walmart does not carry.

I thought it was interesting the Glock draws the line above the Walmart stuff as a minimum. My friend owns a Glock 26 and he can shoot anything. I really think alot depends on the number of shots fires from the recoil spring. The Nano may very well be ok accepting the cheap stuff after a few more rounds down range.

What I find encouraging is I have not encountered any failures to feed form the Nano. I believe the magazine plays a big part in FTF and honestly if Kahr would go elsewhere for a magazine I think a lot of the FTF issues would go away.

Russ

I encountered failures to extract early on with my CM9. A new recoil spring has seemed to cured the problem. The double feed jambs were hard to clear, because I couldn't pull the slide back far enough to lock it. I'm going to give the Nano a very hard look when they come out with the .40 S&W. What impressed me the most was the 1,000 round torture test w/o lube and no failures of any kind. No failures is what I look for the most in a defensive pistol.

[JodyH]

I like the overall design of the Nano.
I want my pocket guns "slick sided" and the Nano looks perfect.
My pocket gun is a back-up so I don't carry a spare mag anyway, the lack of a slide stop lever is a non-issue.
Its not even an issue for clearing type-3 malfunctions. With no spare mag a type-3 isn't worth clearing on a 6+1 round BUG.


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[JFootin]

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/USAAmmoBulletSpecs.jpg

[JFootin]

I have checked on the internet for low cost 9 mm with a higher power factor and I found USA ammo that is selling 124 grain with shiping at .24 each. USA is the cost of Walmart's cheapest 115 gr stuff. I will let you know how it does. I also found some Fiochhi 124 grain for .28 each and the 115 grain was about the same as the USA ammo and that includes shipping.

If you look at the chart the Fiochhi 124 grain is at the top for power factor. Of course this will not be an issue if your Kahr can shoot the lower power rated ammo.

Russ

Russ, I bought some of the USA Ammo 124 gr FMJ. Thank you! Where did you find the Fiochhi at that price?

[Russ]

Russ, I bought some of the USA Ammo 124 gr FMJ. Thank you! Where did you find the Fiochhi at that price?

JFootin

I believe I saw the Fiochhi on ammunitiontogo.com.

My order for the 124 gr USA ammo is still pending from last Friday. I called and just get voice mail. I am thinking maybe they shut down for the holiday. If the stuff is good I am going to order 1000 at a time. It will drop the price down with shipping to .21 each. I also found a promo code to knock off $10. The word is Freak. There also are some codes for a break in shipping. Of course I discovered these codes after ordered.

Let me know how the USA 124 gr works out. I figure if it is good I can stop buying the Walmart junk. Russ