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wyntrout

08-23-2011, 06:22 PM

I would expect one of those cast iron frying pans to shatter at the first shot, though... it's not steel... with some kind of "flexibility".

Buy a rifle target... the steel kind as big as you want... made for shooting with high-powered rifles... or magnum pistols.

You could use some of those in a carrier... having front and back pouches for such... "trauma" plates.

Wynn:)

Bawanna

08-23-2011, 06:28 PM

That might not be too comfy for "the girls".

Just sayin..............................

I forgot stupid me, I'll find you a vest Melissa. Hate to have ya running around with a frying pan around your neck........................

melissa5

08-23-2011, 06:59 PM

Bawanna, has your wife ever told you about getting a mammogram? Well, compared to what they do to "the girls", wearing a frying pan on your chest would be preferable.

What started me thinking about this was a friend bought a new cast iron frying pan. I looked at it and immediately thought of body armor and the gong that Hickok45 shoots in his videos.

Bawanna

08-23-2011, 07:42 PM

I tried to focus and think about Hickok and his gong but I keep slipping back to "the girls". I think I'm cursed.

yqtszhj

08-23-2011, 07:51 PM

I think I saw Granny on the Beverly Hillbilly's use one once, oh no, that was as a weapon on Jethro.

Hey Melissa, Did you feel the earthquake today? You're closer that I am and I felt it the next state over.

melissa5

08-23-2011, 08:23 PM

Hey Melissa, Did you feel the earthquake today? You're closer that I am and I felt it the next state over.

No, I didn't notice anything in GA. The news showed a map and said that tremors were felt in NC though.

JimBianchi

08-23-2011, 08:31 PM

I've got a large, old cast iron pan laying around in the garage.

I'll have to shoot it, with a watermelon as the backstop. (22LR/38SP/9mm/45ACP/357Mag should cover the basics.)

Hopefully Sunday.

I'll bring the video camera too.

Should be fun.

TheTman

08-23-2011, 08:39 PM

Just curious as to the need for body armor? Hitting some rough parts or town? I think a vest would cover more and be more comfortable and flexible.

Barth

08-23-2011, 08:49 PM

a cast iron frying pan could be shaped and used as body armor? Has anyone ever shot one of those pans?

Melissa,
It doesn't look good -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXL22z84vG8

I'm thinking cast iron is really brittle.
Likely to be easy to punch through with FMJs.
I'm sticking with my Bianchi class III-A vest.

melissa5

08-23-2011, 08:53 PM

Just curious as to the need for body armor? Hitting some rough parts or town? I think a vest would cover more and be more comfortable and flexible.

Too much time spent thinking about what I would need after an EMP attack. :o

wyntrout

08-23-2011, 09:03 PM

Dang! A lead slug went through TWO frying pans!

Get a load of THIS shotgun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4L6Zpg9klw&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Wynn:D

melissa5

08-23-2011, 09:06 PM

Melissa,
It doesn't look good -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXL22z84vG8

I'm thinking cast iron is really brittle.
Likely to be easy to punch through with FMJs.
I'm sticking with my Bianchi class III-A vest.

Well, that answers that!

mr surveyor

08-23-2011, 10:46 PM

ya need to get one of them cast iron plates off a pot bellied stove like Clint Eastwood used in the movie

tv_racin_fan

08-24-2011, 04:17 AM

That was not cast iron.

jlottmc

08-24-2011, 08:28 AM

The handles tend to snap too. Just sayin', I have shot a bunch of 'em. You would be better with a vest.

mr surveyor

08-24-2011, 09:02 AM

That was not cast iron.

ok...what was it????

Jeremiah/Az

08-24-2011, 12:02 PM

I wore a cast iron, well almost, jock when I was a baseball catcher. It would still rattle the boys when a foul ball hit it!:eek:

O'Dell

08-24-2011, 12:40 PM

I seem to remember Marty trying something like that in "Back to the Future III".

Bawanna

08-24-2011, 12:42 PM

I wore a cast iron, well almost, jock when I was a baseball catcher. It would still rattle the boys when a foul ball hit it!:eek:

Wow, a gong to protect the dong so to speak!

I was a catcher in an earlier life, my youngest is filling that slot currently for his High School team and hopefully will again this coming season. Kid loves baseball.

Jeremiah/Az

08-24-2011, 01:19 PM

A hit on the "gong" will definitely make you quit thinkin' about sex for a few minutes or hours, as the case may be.:eek:

Bawanna

08-24-2011, 01:27 PM

A hit on the "gong" will definitely make you quit thinkin' about sex for a few minutes or hours, as the case may be.:eek:

Hmm, maybe I should get one, there might be a cure for my thinking afterall.

CJB

08-24-2011, 03:54 PM

Frying pans only make good bullet stoppers in movies..... was it "The Quick and the Dead" or was it "Cat Ballou" ....

For REAL READNECK body armor do this: Get some good size phone books about three inches thick, and duck-tape them all across yer body, lettin some of them books hang an' cover the hinter regions and nether regions as well. That'll getcha done. Plus, if you gotta go poo someplace, you always got a good wipe along with ya. Double the duty, all outta lef'tover yeller pages!

JFootin

08-24-2011, 04:47 PM

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/arteintresting.jpg

Stupid! But interesting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlVWArmysic

melissa5

09-01-2011, 05:02 PM

This little beauty was given to me by a very nice gentleman on this forum. Thank you again, kind sir! There seems to be a lot of early Christmas presents going around this forum in the last few weeks.

There's no frying pan in there! :p

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4110/dscn2298b.jpg

TheTman

09-01-2011, 06:00 PM

melissa5

09-01-2011, 06:41 PM

This doesn't look good either: http://www.youtube.com/user/hickok45#p/search/5/jqa1wdXJtV4

Anyone here ever shot one of those bad boys? I think I might try a compensated one, but not sure I'd want to shoot one without it. Looks painful.

That was definitely a cast iron skillet. :eek: My range has a 500 for rent. I have not shot it and don't plan to. :)

OldLincoln

09-01-2011, 06:49 PM

I think that .50 may even make a charging Grizzly sit up and take notice.

OldLincoln

09-01-2011, 07:46 PM

Well, maybe NOT! Just finished an article (http://www.biggamehunt.net/articles/handgun-hunting-alaskan-brown-bear) about a guy hunting Browns in Alaska with a .50 hangun. They saw a very large brown (1K lbs) sitting on a kill spot and...

"The bear started to get up when Glen backtracked and got along side of me. I trained my revolver [S&W 500 w/ 470gn] at the bear and watched Glen as he lay on the ground in a firing position. I nodded my head to him and a second later, the blast of his .500 Smith & Wesson echoed against the distant hillsides. The bear never flinched when the bullet hit him and it continued to get up. Immediately I fired my .500, the bullet striking the great bear center mass and again, it never flinched. We were about 20 yards from it and in a spot where we could be readily seen by the beast. In a blur, we continued firing when our backup with his 45/70 fired twice into the bear on the 7th or 8th shots. When the first 45/70 bullet hit it the bear went down and it got back up, the second hit didn’t seem to faze it. Glen and I advanced and kept firing at the bear. We stopped 15 yards from the wounded brownie and then I heard one of the most terrible sounds I have ever heard in my life come from Glen’s gun. Click. He had run out of ammunition. Immediately I leveled off at the animal and squeezed the trigger, the Smith & Wesson exhaled it’s firebreath . The bear went down and stayed."

Why someone would want to kill one of those spectacular creatures is beyond me, but the ballistic truth is hard to refute. All those rounds of the same gun and loads Hickok45 was shooting in the video and "it never flinched!" Oh my!

CJB

09-01-2011, 07:51 PM

Handguns are not terrific killers of large animals. The "center of mass" rule does not apply to bears! Think in terms of very carefully placed spine or head shots. Read up on some of the Steve Herrett stuff. He was meticulous on shot placement, and got the job done. None of that wild west gunfight mentality there. For a brownie... isn't the backup of choice the same as a lion gun? Or put another way, 12 gauge 3" with heavy buckshot?

Bawanna

09-01-2011, 07:54 PM

wyntrout

09-01-2011, 09:38 PM

I hope to NEVER SEE a bear in the wild. I can live without that. I don't want to hunt them or be hunted BY them!:eek:

I've seen ONE mountain lion cross the road in front of us somewhere in Colorado. I was concerned about the deer and elk, and watching for those at night. I saw something cross the road maybe 150 yards in front of us and just figured it was a deer... being light tan, but my wife said "That was a CAT!" Well, it almost stretched from one side of the road to the other! That's enough for me. I can watch documentaries or go to the zoo... that's fine, but if I have to wander around in their backyard, I carry a gun, otherwise, I'm not going to put my life at risk to commune with nature!

I've seen the tracks of all of those animals when I hiked up the 'hill" behind my in-laws... we heard the coyotes a lot and the deer and elk are all over the place... day and night... fantastic, but the predators I will pass on, given the chance!

We're planning to go to SW Colorado this Christmas and I want to take my PM45 and some ammo when we fly. I could carry 5 boxes of Blazer Aluminum-cased .45 ACP or any other 4 boxes of brass-cased... 11 lbs max. I guess I'll take 4 boxes of brass-cased and maybe buy some more at Wally World near Durango. My wife wants to shoot, too, and we are looking at using a nearby range this time. The Christmas before last, we shot up a hill(~8,000' mountain) behind the in-laws, but it was hard to find a field of fire safe to the neighbors. I shoveled out an area to stand in the snow and we had a nice shoot, but I don't see doing THAT again!
I plan to take my PM45 and water their eyes! None of us shot well the last time and I hadn't shot for 3-5 years at that point... didn't even know how long it had been! I've fired MANY thousands since... MANY thousands of .45 alone! I can't wait. I wish that we had the time to drive (my wife works and it's three days driving each way!) and I could take everything I want... lots of guns AND ammo!

Wynn:)

wyntrout

09-01-2011, 09:55 PM

I'd opt for 375 H&H or perhaps 416 Rigby myself. A shotgun will at least blind em and maybe take out their sense of smell so you can out maneuver.

Personally I think good physical condition and a good pair of Nikes is the best with a clean pair of Fruit of the Looms in your day pack when you get away.

OR, another tactic, is to have someone with you that you can outrun. Hmmm... the chair probably won't do that... maybe a 4-wheeler setup.

Wynn:)

CJB

09-01-2011, 10:12 PM

CJB

09-01-2011, 10:15 PM

Maybe all this... is why I chose to hunt ducks.

I've seen a guy get hit by a duck, while laying decoys... ruined our hunt, we had to take his very comatose body to the paramedics on shore, about 3 miles by duck boat. But a duck, even a determined one like that huge ass widgeon I shot... is not likely to eat the hunters leg clean off.

We shoot'm right next to the Shuttle Landing Strip at the cape... great place for duck hunters!

Bawanna

09-01-2011, 10:16 PM

"I hope to NEVER SEE a bear in the wild. I can live without that. I don't want to hunt them or be hunted BY them!"

Clearly no sense of adventure Wynn. I long to walk (and run if necessary) amongst them.

Always wanted to walk all over Alaska but that didn't happen. Did a little looking from the boat last year so I can at least say I been there.

Small resemblance but we do what we must.

wyntrout

09-01-2011, 10:42 PM

I've taken many walks up that little "hill" and seen the tracks of all kinds of critters... enough to know that I want Boomer with me, even in the Winter! I don't want to have to pretend I'm dead while a large predator decides whether to eat me now or come back later for snacks!:eek:
The in-laws have pictures of bears all around the house. When food is scarce, they come down to where people live, mainly to check out the garbage containers.

Their house is at about 7,200' and the "hill" probably tops out close to 8,000 ft. they have a cellular tower in the NW-most corner of their land (~7 acres) that gives them $6K+ a year rent... nice.:)

Wynn:)

steve666

09-02-2011, 07:39 AM

There was a goofy British science show called Brainiac: Science Abuse hosted by Richard Hammond (Top Gear) and later Jon Tickle which aired an episode showing how to use household and/or office items to stop bullets and arrows. They tried using computer keyboards and monitors, phone books, pillows, skillets, and all kinds of other things.
http://www.testblog.net/gallery2/d/4291-1/bra_gallery2.jpg

apdturbo

09-02-2011, 08:06 AM

so about the whole cast iron frying pan thing, save it for cooking with. we have one thats been in the family for years(was my great grandmothers), its tempered perfectly and fries THE BEST rainbow trout, chicken, and squirrel on this planet. kinda funny to pass down a frying pan i know but the thing fries stuff really well. no shooting at my frying pan please!

OldLincoln

09-02-2011, 12:06 PM

Bawanna

09-02-2011, 12:12 PM

That's right, apdturbo! Growing up that's all we had for frying. After getting married I insisted on getting one but the secret to it is never washing it with harsh detergent. I'd wash it with just a little soap and rub it dry and it was great. When we got a dishwasher, my wife snuck it in and ruined it. I tried re-seasoning it but it never was the same, then teflon came out and it was all over.

Thing is now everybody takes iron pills because they don't get it from the skillet food.

Well thats the answer. I used to look like an Iron Man, now I look like I need iron pills. Now I know why. And here all this time I thought it was because I ate too much and didn't exercise enough. What a relief.

No worries apdturbo, your frying pan is safe with me..........

TheTman

09-02-2011, 04:22 PM

That was a hell of a story about that brown bear OldLincoln. If I count right it took 7 or 8 shots from the S&W 500's, and 2 45/70 rounds to put it down. Holy Moly. I agree with Wyn bigtime in that I have no desire to hunt or be hunted by a brown bear or griz.

OldLincoln

09-02-2011, 05:52 PM

Seems like folks are always asking about which gun for bears on the various gun forums. I think I'll bookmark that link and post it when I see the question. It gives a real good picture of how one may fare even if armed with a S&W 500 Mag loaded with 47gn loads AND even if you had time to shoot them all. You only get 5 shots before you're lunch.

melissa5

09-02-2011, 05:57 PM

I wonder if bear spray works better than bullets?

Jeremiah/Az

09-02-2011, 07:14 PM

No handgun is a death ray. Remember the law of physics? There is an opposite & equal force. Anything that would knock a bear down would knock the shooter down too!

I have several iron skillets & dutch ovens that I use a lot. If you lose the seasoning in your's from washing or some acidic foods, just fry a pound of bacon, to the smoking point, & it will be as good as it was before.

OldLincoln

09-02-2011, 07:25 PM

Depends on who you ask. Don't remember where I read it now, but a good bear spray is said to be many times more effective.

I like the notion of the spray unit with the loud squeal and strobe light but the spray may be okay for dogs, not so a 1,000lb brown charging at you.

Hey, how about wearing an auto air bag that explodes out in a zilionth of a second when it's swiping your brains out. Now lets see Myth Busters try on THAT one!

wyntrout

09-04-2011, 10:40 AM

Unless a bear has had a bad experience with the sprays, it thinks the smell is something new to try. Remember that they are curious and have an extremely sensitive nose. It can be an attractant.

People still go into bear country with hair products and such that make them very attractive to bears... as in smelling like their favorite snack foods!:eek:

And anyone cooking something like bacon in bear country is CRAZY!

I can see all of that stuff on my big screen TV with no danger!

I have enough adventure going to the local convenience stores to invest in lottery tickets!

Wynn:D

O'Dell

09-04-2011, 12:04 PM

Mr Brown Bear is a tough critter.... black bears much easier to deal with.

Take a look at what griz do to each other, and survive, then think on what you need to put him down reliably.

I think my choice would be something more like a ma'deuce and the whole 9 yards....

Seriously though, the shotgun is the backup for lion. Maybe lion are fast and determined, but not as tough as grizzly? Maybe they're "smarter" than griz, knowing when to retreat? Dunno.

About thirty years ago I was on a trip through the Smokies with my ,then, wife. We stopped at an overlook near Clingman's Dome, and there was a man with his family in another car. Although, there are signs all over not to do it, he was feeding a black bear through his open window. Everything was fine UNTIL he ran out of food. The bear didn't understand, reached through the window, and with one swipe, took half the man's face off. This was before the day's of cells, so my wife stayed to help, and I beat it down the mountain to call for help. I don't know the final outcome, but if he lived, he would have needed extensive reconstruction, and definitely lost an eye.

wyntrout

09-04-2011, 12:24 PM

A lot of this stuff... stupidly thinking that all animals are friendly and pet-like, goes back to Disney and their characterization of animals.
In the 14+ years I've lived here in Florida this time, several people have jumped into the water to "play with the dolphins" or the manatees... I saw this in the park behind my house. A guy went down the ramp into murky water to touch or be near a young manatee AND others! It's against all kinds of laws to do so, AND the mother manatee might get defensive... weighing almost as much as walruses!

I heard of one guy seeing big "fish" in the ocean and jumping in to play with the dolphins! They were sharks! I don't know how he fared... anecdotal story, anyhow.

Bears can open cars like kracker* boxes... and that's pretty much what they think they are... yummy... snacks inside!:eek:

*had to change the c to k. Censor/editor doesn't like a LOT of words!

Wynn:)

CJB

09-04-2011, 12:36 PM

As Gary Larson put in "The Far Side"..... two basking polar bears next to igloos that have their tops ripped open. The text (paraphrased) "Dang Fred, those things are great! Crunchy on the outside, soft and chewy on the inside!"

JimBianchi

09-04-2011, 12:44 PM

Well I never got to shoot the cast iron pan before I went in for hip replacement surgery.

Recovery has taken a set back too, so I won't be at the range for some time, maybe three months. (I have either strained or torn my quadriceps in the same leg as the hip replacement, the hip feels fine, in fact, better than I ever hoped, the quad pain is so bad at times I have blacked out)

I am glad someone found the answer and posted it. I still have a few pans I want to blast with a variety of SD ammo, and when I do, I'll post a vid.

wyntrout

09-04-2011, 01:31 PM

Dang, Jim, take it easy. Godspeed and get well.

Wynn:)

OldLincoln

09-04-2011, 01:46 PM

I have enough adventure going to the local convenience stores to invest in lottery tickets!
Sounds like we have the same retirement plan.:001_huh:

tv_racin_fan

09-05-2011, 06:06 AM

ok...what was it????

According to everything I can find it was steel...

I heard many times that one never washes a cast iron skillet and always wondered why my mom always washed hers.. on the off chance the something did stick and needed some real scrubbin she was never averse to scrubbin away with comet or whatever but that was generally because someone had mistreated her skillet. The secret is to wash it and dry it then immediately season it as far as I can tell.

OldLincoln

09-05-2011, 10:26 AM

Yup, once messed up always messed up. When new break in right and maintain and you have the best and usually pretty much non-stick. These days it's not such a big deal as you can't really use them in a microwave - well, maybe once.

wyntrout

09-05-2011, 11:10 AM

The neatest thing I ever put in the microwave was my radiometer... the light-bulb looking thing that's a vacuum tube with a little 4-sided vane with black on one side and white on the other so that one side absorbs light radiation and spins... or is it the white side that reflects the radiation...? Hmm... just gonna stick it in the light and see which direction it spins.... The former is true, it spins in the direction of the white sides.

This is the process used in the giant solar wind sails for propelling spacecraft... very slow acceleration, though.
http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/public/-HPMtuGVDM2b71kQ_rVzj18pUkVyZvxAPRMIzl-UJnh__rxR1t7DX7XgRRxXJob5I8GUlBGUIFdFjrYZNNPSA6rhl OTHb6q9LxDmLYW8XIegeZ1ZhQPwXhHZDIIkPnoUmKc4swX6TEJ fSYi6_pgIA5q-
Mine is all clear glass. Anyhow, I put that sucker in the microwave and fired it up... WOW! Like a FLASHBULB... scared the sh!t out of me! I couldn't get the darned thing off fast enough!:eek:

It was like a small explosion... like a big flashbulb... instant brilliance! I don't know if it spun or not! But I got the MW off immediately... only a second or so passed, but it seemed longer!

You could see that the needle had turned bluish from the heat, but it still works fine. I'm just glad it didn't explode!

YMMV, though!

Wynn:D

Bawanna

09-05-2011, 11:26 AM

I bet you had some really neat personal science projects in your youth Wynn.

Had a young guy at a local gun shop I hung out at years ago, he was always thinking up stuff.

He's the one that decided to see what a paint ball did in a microwave when paintball first came out. The result of course was go buy a new microwave.

He's the same fella that insisted they didn't hurt and had me shoot him in the back from about 10 feet. He found out they do indeed hurt. Really bad.

wyntrout

09-05-2011, 12:02 PM

Yeah, it's a wonder I still have all of my digits and appendages! I did take a bit of my left thumbprint off with a power saw... lucked out there... had gloves on and just felt tugging... no pain!:eek:

Adventurous... or foolhardy... something like that!:rolleyes:

Wynn:)

OldLincoln

09-05-2011, 01:13 PM

When I was a pup, I was showing off for my cousin in the washhouse (okay STOP IT, this is not one of "those" stories!) by sticking my thumb in the washing machine wringer rollers teasing the nibble but always getting it away. Except for the last time when the rollers grabbed my thumb, took it all the way to the hand and peeled off the tissue, muscle and tendons, in other words to the bone and broke that. (That was before roller release mechanisms).

My cousin ran to the house screaming and mom & grandma came a running. The docs insisted on amputation but my mother absolutely refused. They said it would only be a useless piece of meat with no movement. Well it took a very long time but it works pretty well now considering. No strength in some motions and pops out of joint easily but it is a thumb I'm lucky to have.

So like Wynn, it wasn't smart but luck prevailed.

wyntrout

09-05-2011, 03:03 PM

Oww! :eek: I've had a few dislocations... left pinkie from laying down my XLR250 Honda (1973) when somebody came around a curve hogging the road in the mountains, while I was returning from Tahoe to Sacramento. There were forest fires closing the main roads. I tried resetting it... no go... had it flapping in the wind for about 15 miles back to Mather AFB.

Then there was my recalcitrant left rear door handle on my Audi up in Limestone, Maine... Loring AFB, when I had to push down really hard with my left thumb to open the door... pop! My thumb popped out of its socket!!:eek:

The hospital was close by on base, so I went there. While standing at the counter, I started the "tunnel vision" thing... not my first... and told the techs that I needed a chair fast... I was fainting! They got a wheelchair before I hit the floor... shock, I guess. I've experienced that a few times... medically... 3-4 times and adrenaline rushes a few times. That's where repetitive training and being able to keep functioning can keep you alive... as in helping direct the aircraft you're in!! I've had to do that a few times where I wasn't sure we were going to make it through the weather we were penetrating on descent or on "formation takeoffs" (MITO Minimum Interval Take Off... 15 seconds peacetime and 12 seconds Wartime) where our BUFF was seemingly approaching fatal limits of roll in wake turbulence.The world starts turning black and white and grainy... and my field of view is closing... like a camera iris... getting smaller... not quite that point in the aircraft, but it's painful removing the seat cushions that you were sitting on in the DOWNWARD-FIRING ejection seats at TOO-LOW an altitude at the time!:D

Wynn:)