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Bob G
08-29-2011, 05:11 PM
OK I have had my CM9 now a little more than a month..Yesterday at the range I started getting FTF and some stovepiping..On inspection I noticed my overall case length on my reloads looked long..When I got home this was verified..Very slight but there..Then I started thinking about the failures with my CW9 mags..With these mags (CW9) adding the pinky to the grip, I felt that the mag being pulled a little forward was causing the failures..Nose dives mainly..This week I am going to tweak the OCL on my loads and see if this is in fact the culprit on both this weeks failures and the CW9 mag failures..Thoughts?

Second point... I bought and installed the Trijicon ns that Kahr offers..Not paying attention enough at the store I bought Loctite Ultra gel control Superglue..I did the install thinking it will either work or not $30 either way was not going to be the end of the world..I had read the thread on the Loctite coming loose, so I thought what the hell..Fifty rounds at the range and the front sight is tight..I think that the only problem will be in 10 years when I want to replace with new ones....

jocko
08-29-2011, 05:29 PM
u might be on to something with the OAL thing, that will effect feeding and might be the issues u had witht he 7 round magazine to. Personaly I would think the 7 round mags just seem to not perform well in the PM9 or CM9, Flush fit mag seems tog iv eno i9ssues. Let us know..

Bawanna
08-29-2011, 05:45 PM
Your long handloads are definitely a contributing factor. I think Kahr chambers are on the tight side. The only issue I've ever had with my PM45 was with my reloads being just a few thousand's long.

If I have an issue I go right back to factory and see if it has a problem.

Bear549
08-29-2011, 05:54 PM
I had the same issue with CCI Blazer. For me it was a combination between a very tight gun and the mag followers catching the mag release inside of the mag. It would always happen on the 2-3 round. I continued to tweak on the follower until it did not rub. I went to the range again, still had FTF but not as many. After checking the followers again, I could see scratchs were they had rubbed. I sanded more off and last weekednd I put 150 rounds of CCI through it and not one hiccup out of the 6 or 7 round mags. I have now put about 800 rounds through it and I love the gun as much as any of my others.

Brittanyman
08-30-2011, 02:01 PM
Had my CM9 for a month or more. Have about 300 rounds through it, both FMJ and HP. Have no problems other than my magazine floor plate sliding off. Now have that corrected.

I really like this weapon. It is very accurate for a pocket 9mm, and the recoil is more than managable. I have a pocket holster for it along with 2 gun bag/fanny packs. I'm waiting for a custom made holster to fit the CM9 with a Crimson Trace laser.

franco45
08-31-2011, 01:31 PM
I have had my Cm9 for about 3 months. I use the 6 round magazine and 7 round CW9 magazine every time i shoot it. I have had no problems yet.
Brittanyman, let's see that custom holster when you get it. A Crimson Trace laser is on my wishlist. I could use the one on my CW9 but don't want to switch back and forth. I would just rather have both guns ready to go.

Quickdraw
08-31-2011, 07:55 PM
My handloads run a little longer than spec in my Lyman manual. They load no worse than the Federal and Speer factory loads. I believe the challenge in the 7 round mags was too much spring pressure. I'll be out again Friday AM to further confirm my fix.

CJB
08-31-2011, 08:05 PM
FTF and some stovepiping.....overall case length on my reloads looked long..

The 9mm is a fairly high pressure but small case volume cartridge. Because of that, seating depth, as well as sorting of brass is more critical on the 9mm than on some other rounds that are used in autoloaders.

By seating long, you increased available volume, lowering pressure a bit. Dunno how the PM/CM9 likes long rounds, but the PM45 does NOT. It seems to shoot the short stuff just fine... stuff way too short for any 1911. I dare say it would load 45GAPs from the 45ACP magazine!

Before you condemn things, do what is the cardinal sin of re-loaders, and buy some factory ammo and try that in the CM9. There is nothing like adjusting the reloads to match the pistol - a rewarding benefit of loading your own.

Brittanyman
09-01-2011, 03:03 PM
I have had my Cm9 for about 3 months. I use the 6 round magazine and 7 round CW9 magazine every time i shoot it. I have had no problems yet.
Brittanyman, let's see that custom holster when you get it. A Crimson Trace laser is on my wishlist. I could use the one on my CW9 but don't want to switch back and forth. I would just rather have both guns ready to go.

Here are the pictures you requested. The pocket holster I bought at the Dixie Gun Show in Charlotte. It is generic, but it was the only one that fit my CM9 with the laser. It works great. The materials makes the holster stay in the pocket when drawing the gun.

The hip holster was custom made for me by MTR Custom Leather. Matt Rector is the leather craftsman. He is a young man out of Ramseur, NC. His e-mail address is sales@mtrcustomleather.net and his phone number is 336-953-2924. He didn't have a mold for my CM9 With the laser, but he does now, because he used mine as the model for the mold.

The holster is well made. He said he uses horse hide only. It is easy to put on and take off because of the snaps.

wyntrout
09-01-2011, 03:29 PM
I would think that you would want to start with a major factory brand FMJ with your first range session to start from a known set of ammo variables. If you have problems with factory ammo, that means more than problems with a batch of hand loads... loose crimps, out-of-spec OAL, stretched cases, loose or mis-seated primers, and so forth. Each round could be different in so many different ways... lots of luck with that!

Wynn:)

franco45
09-01-2011, 08:00 PM
Brittanyman,Thanks for the info on the holsters. I may have to give young Matt a call when I laser up the CM9.

Popeye
09-02-2011, 11:18 AM
I love my Kahr PM9 I think it's a great pistol with never a problem of any sort, but I'm really starting to wonder if Kahr is pumping the CM9 out to fast and coming up sort on the quality control end. If it is supposed to be just a more inexpensive version of the PM9 than how come we are hearing so many problems with them and people returning them to be repaired multiple times when the PM9's are so reliable. I'm not bashing Kahr but I'm really starting to wonder what's going on with the CM9's. They seem to be hit and miss if you get a trouble free one or not. It's starting to sound like the problems Kel Tec had a few years back with there PF9. Like I said not bashing in any way but I am wondering.:behindsofa:

Joe L
09-02-2011, 01:05 PM
My CM9 is fine. My PM40 is fine.

Joe

Bawanna
09-02-2011, 01:43 PM
We've actually heard of very few problems with the CM's. I just found one at a relatively new shop (thanks Scoundrel, they confirmed still in stock). I might head over tonight and take it out of circulation. If one of the guys here doesn't get there first. I gave him first dibs since I'm not sure my wife would go for it. Shes preferring a revolver which is fine. I need to get her some more trigger time with an auto.

yqtszhj
09-02-2011, 02:13 PM
Get it, get it. the moderator needs to have one.

jocko
09-02-2011, 02:51 PM
I love my Kahr PM9 I think it's a great pistol with never a problem of any sort, but I'm really starting to wonder if Kahr is pumping the CM9 out to fast and coming up sort on the quality control end. If it is supposed to be just a more inexpensive version of the PM9 than how come we are hearing so many problems with them and people returning them to be repaired multiple times when the PM9's are so reliable. I'm not bashing Kahr but I'm really starting to wonder what's going on with the CM9's. They seem to be hit and miss if you get a trouble free one or not. It's starting to sound like the problems Kel Tec had a few years back with there PF9. Like I said not bashing in any way but I am wondering.:behindsofa:

since its intro the cm9 has been very very dependable out of the box. I am guessing that we have not read of ahalf dozen that has had to go back to kahr for what ever. 6 more than should be but it is gonna happen. We also don't know of the issues are gun related or shooter related.

Bawanna
09-02-2011, 03:04 PM
Get it, get it. the moderator needs to have one.

Sound logic there for sure. I've not used this ploy before so maybe, just maybe I can make it fly.

I do have a MRI 1911 G model in the works so she might bulk. The intended purpose is for her :lie: of course. I am a devout advocate of letting a woman or new shooter make their own decisions. But I'm sure I can find a purpose for it in case she doesn't like it. Can't think of anything not to like but I'm not thinking too hard either.

I think he said 442 with 5% LE discount so around 420 if I remember right. Not a bad price for a brick and mortar local shop. They need my support. Wish my bank would think this way and give me more support too.

jocko
09-02-2011, 03:11 PM
u really shouldhave one "ol greatone". that way u can speak with real authority!!! besides that u justmight fall in love with it and sell all those other guns with those BIG ASS HOLES in the barrel..

Bawanna
09-02-2011, 03:17 PM
Maybe so, maybe so. I know it will happen someday, just not sure today is the day.

JFootin
09-02-2011, 04:16 PM
Get it! You know our mod has to have one! You must have something you can sell to cover the cost of the gun and some accessories.

Bawanna
09-02-2011, 04:36 PM
For Sale:

One wife. Blonde, left handed. Good looking. Good cook. Firm subscriber to it's for the children. Relatively low maintenance. High energy. Good teeth. May include a couple dependents age 26 and 17. Do little, eat alot, high maintenance.

485.00 plus shipping obo.

jocko
09-02-2011, 04:55 PM
sounds like a good resume to me. not sure about the shipping though,need to know more about thje "weight" factor. Has she ever skinned a horse, or goat??? can she speak two languages, preferabl;y Italian . Have no need for spanish speaking..
Will she fit on the back of a StreetGlide OK.:behindsofa:

Bawanna
09-02-2011, 05:09 PM
sounds like a good resume to me. not sure about the shipping though,need to know more about thje "weight" factor. Has she ever skinned a horse, or goat??? can she speak two languages, preferabl;y Italian . Have no need for spanish speaking..
Will she fit on the back of a StreetGlide OK.:behindsofa:

I could send her economy class air, they don't care about weight she's probably like 150 give probably not take 10 pounds. The thought of skinning a horse would not be pleasant for her nor would your Italian traditions of mailing parts namely heads please her. Not sure of her feeling towards goats but I suspect she'd not like skinning them either although I'm rather fond of them. Not in any mano goato way ya know.
She speaks fluent Swedish, not a word of Spanish but English is her first language. Guess I should have listed her as "Rare".
She'd fit on the back of a StreetGlide no problem. Rode many many miles behind me although it was on a metric. Before I knew any better.
Just in case she ever reads this I'm gonna raise the price 10 bucks, I don't want her to think I don't think shes worth much. Say that 4 times fast.....


Forgot the dependents, ones heavy, probably 230, the other is scrawny, maybe 120, but he's wirey and can pump weights bigger than himself but I can still take em both on a good day, specially if I bring my lunch and after my nap.

OldLincoln
09-02-2011, 05:33 PM
I thought when getting a gun for the wife you're supposed to narrow the choice down to 3 or 4, buy them all and shoot them till you're satisfied they're dependable then say "Honey, which one of these do you want?" After all you wouldn't want her to say later "I thought you said this is a dependable gun."

I know if my wife could shoot and I handed her a gun and she had just 1 little problem, even limp wrist, she'd refuse to ever shoot it again. Nor would she ever even try another gun - period.

jocko
09-02-2011, 05:41 PM
good point, KISS comes into mind here. A revolver would be best for a woman wo is greek to guns, It will go bang every time and when it doesn't she just pulls the trigger again KISS is the only way to please a woman. We tend to buy for our womken WHAT WE THINK IS BEST, not what they think is best or comfortable with. Seen that hundreds of times when a hubby would bring his wife into my gun shop to buy her a gun. he would immediately pick up a semi and think kthat was the ticket for her. Most could not rack the slide when even showed how to do it, most couldhnot colear a jam when showed how to do it. Most left my shop with a J frame model 36 smith back then to..

IMO Definitey take your time in buying ur wife or loved one a gun, take themto a shooting range let her try different guns, let her decide which is best-safest etc. If they are mentaly scared they wil lnever learn to carry If a woman has never been around firearms and is at the age of 30+, it is hard to reprogram them into female rambos. If she is totaly uncomfortable IMO then just drop it and get her some of thebest pepper spray things out there. I* have seen that two shot Kimber model and IMO it is simply the finest made, not cheap, but this sucker will shoot a spray with good pressure a long long way. two good blasts is allu need with this kimber model and she is 100% legal..

Bawanna
09-02-2011, 06:58 PM
"and she is 100% legal.. "

Oh I forgot that little citizenship thing. I did get her a resident alien card and a very recent CCW permit. That should raise the price another 5 bucks anyhow.

JFootin
09-02-2011, 08:41 PM
"and she is 100% legal.. "

Oh I forgot that little citizenship thing. I did get her a resident alien card and a very recent CCW permit. That should raise the price another 5 bucks anyhow.

When I suggested you sell something to raise the money for the CM9, this wasn't anywhere in my thought process! :confused: LOL!

I wish I could afford to bid on this auction, but I'll have to pass. :behindsofa:

PaiN
09-02-2011, 08:50 PM
I've not had a Kahr since the trouble and fiasco with a damn PM45 :(
I sold my LC9 tonight(nice reliable gun, but I hated the trigger) At an LGS I saw a super clean CM9 for $375, I called them and its still there.
I'm very tempted....

yqtszhj
09-03-2011, 10:19 AM
"and she is 100% legal.. "

Oh I forgot that little citizenship thing. I did get her a resident alien card and a very recent CCW permit. That should raise the price another 5 bucks anyhow.

You're asking way to little. If you have gone through the government red tape with green cards, etc..., etc..., etc..., and she cooks and all that other stuff that's worth double the price. I've been through that red tape with my bride and let me tell you that you need a return on that investment.

yqtszhj
09-03-2011, 10:20 AM
I've not had a Kahr since the trouble and fiasco with a damn PM45 :(
I sold my LC9 tonight(nice reliable gun, but I hated the trigger) At an LGS I saw a super clean CM9 for $375, I called them and its still there.
I'm very tempted....

Get it. that's a good price and mine has been 100%.

johnh
09-03-2011, 10:25 AM
That is a very good deal. You are down in the dealer price range I would say. I have been thinking about a CM for my Mrs. too. I am going to try her on my P9 first and see if it is "purse" sized in her opinion.

Bawanna
09-03-2011, 11:00 AM
You're asking way to little. If you have gone through the government red tape with green cards, etc..., etc..., etc..., and she cooks and all that other stuff that's worth double the price. I've been through that red tape with my bride and let me tell you that you need a return on that investment.

Good point, just to sweeten the deal she likes to fish and I'll throw in the boat. She don't clean em though.

JFootin
09-03-2011, 11:35 AM
At an LGS I saw a super clean CM9 for $375, I called them and its still there.
I'm very tempted....


Get it. that's a good price and mine has been 100%.

Man, that's a GREAT PRICE! I'd jump all over that.

PaiN
09-03-2011, 01:01 PM
The CM9 I saw is very clean but used......I'd say $375 is fair as NIB CM9s are going between $460-$480 around here.

PaiN
09-03-2011, 03:19 PM
I went ahead and bought the CM9....I need to give it a cleaning and re-lube. I should be able to get it to the range on Monday.

I hope its a good one :rolleyes:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x298/Mikepain_pics/DSC03961.jpg

stiletto
09-04-2011, 07:42 AM
Buds Police Supply has got new CM9s in stock for $389 shipped. You can buy from them if you are:


Active Military personnel - all branches
Retired Military personnel - all branches
National Guard personnel - all branches
Military Reserve personnel - all branches
Fire Fighters - including volunteers
Paramedics and EMTs
TSA Employees
Commercial Pilots
Federal Flight Deck Officers
Court Judges
District and Deputy District Attorneys
All sworn Law Enforcement Officers - city, county, state, and federal
All retired Law Enforcement Officers - city, county, state, and federal
All Corrections Officers
State Licensed Security Companies

Ressom
09-04-2011, 07:49 AM
Buds Police Supply has got new CM9s in stock for $389 shipped.

At Bud's regular shop it is only $410 shipped. That is a good deal! I bought my CM9 from them... it was the first I've purchased over the internet/shipped to FFL. It went a lot smoother than I expected. The FFL I chose was already a 'preferred' FFL and he only charged $10.65.

PaiN
09-04-2011, 08:17 AM
The going rate on FFL fees here in CT is $30-$50, most of the time I don't save enough to make purchasing on-line worth it.
I'm a cardio/pulmonary therapist and don't qualify for any "sworn" personnel discounts. :(

Bawanna
09-04-2011, 10:43 AM
I also didn't qualify at Buds for the LE prices. I seem to most other places. You'd think a volunteer fireman qualifies a civilian puke in Law Enforcement would but alas they said no.
I checked and the CM9 at the new shop next town west of me is still there. They will give me the LE discount so it's like 420. Still in limbo, want the wife to try one first. I'll try to borrow one of the guys PM9's and have her road test it.

stiletto
09-04-2011, 11:44 AM
I also didn't qualify at Buds for the LE prices. I seem to most other places. You'd think a volunteer fireman qualifies a civilian puke in Law Enforcement would but alas they said no.
I checked and the CM9 at the new shop next town west of me is still there. They will give me the LE discount so it's like 420. Still in limbo, want the wife to try one first. I'll try to borrow one of the guys PM9's and have her road test it.

That's odd, their web site clearly states that firefighters, including volunteer firefighters qualify for their discounted prices. Not sure that a civilian in LE would qualify at all, since they specifically only mention sworn or retired LE officers.

PaiN
09-05-2011, 11:08 AM
This CM9 is definitely a good one.....
Its a very solid shooter....I should've been patient and waited to find a CM9 instead of rushing into a PM45 then the LC9...
Anyway, I ran 70 Speer Lawman 115g FMJ, 50 Win. NATO 124g FMJ and 50 Federal LE Barns PBX 115g +P HP(my carry round) with perfect function.
The LC9 was a good pistol but this CM9 seems just a reliable while addressing the things I did not like about the Ruger.....a more solid feel and a 1000x better trigger :biggrin1:
I shot it well for the 1st time out, groups were 2-3" @10yrds and I hardly noticed any difference in POA between the rounds. The CM also has the typical soft recoil of the little 9mm Kahrs.

yqtszhj
09-05-2011, 11:28 AM
It's a HAPPY day. It's good to hear the positive reports.

I wish we wern't getting soaked by TS Lee and I could get out in the woods and shoot a few rounds thorough mine.

O'Dell
09-05-2011, 12:15 PM
It's a HAPPY day. It's good to hear the positive reports.

I wish we wern't getting soaked by TS Lee and I could get out in the woods and shoot a few rounds thorough mine.

I hope you send it up our way in Atlanta. We need the rain, plus I don't want to work tomorrow. I've a a new reflex red dot to sight in on the 45 carbine, and if I work, I'll never make it to the range.

yqtszhj
09-05-2011, 01:12 PM
I hope you send it up our way in Atlanta. We need the rain, plus I don't want to work tomorrow. I've a a new reflex red dot to sight in on the 45 carbine, and if I work, I'll never make it to the range.

I think you may get your wish. They are talking about it hovering around here for a couple of days slowly heading your way.

tasdisr
09-05-2011, 05:35 PM
I was able to get my CM9 from my local gun store for $419.95 which I thought was a pretty good price.

yqtszhj
09-05-2011, 06:24 PM
Not a bad price. That's about $20 less than I paid locally.

Bob G
09-06-2011, 12:57 PM
OK shortened my reloads, cleaned and lubed my CM9.. Hundred rounds no problems..I think I was relying on the tetra grease too much and not enough gun oil..Proper lube is key..Night sights are solid as a rock still..Love this little gun.. CW9 mags ran flawless as well..

jocko
09-06-2011, 02:21 PM
IMO kahrs are not lube sensitive. damn near any lube will work for you, keep it clean, keep it lubed, not dripping all over hell but lubed and what ever u use willdo the job, u fixed your problem which was the reloads and not the gun, so now just shoot it like u stole it..,It s truly IMO one of kahrs fnest additions to their line. I truly hope their next CM introduction is a flawless as the cm9 has been. oh yes there will be another cm coming down the pike 40? 45?

Bob G
09-06-2011, 04:01 PM
Jacko I was definitely under lubing..I also filed one of the mag followers to see it that was the issue, but it was not!

jocko
09-06-2011, 04:29 PM
wasn't doubting your success, just rendering my opinion..

Bob G
09-11-2011, 09:22 PM
Went to to the range today and 100 rounds w/o any issues with 4 7 round mags and my 6 round mags..Night sights holding tight!! I wonder how many failures are lube issues!