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PB22POP
09-02-2011, 02:30 PM
I purchased a PM9 to carry. It is the only handgun that I own that I can conceal. I will be applying for membership at a range this month so I can get it broken in to the point of it being dependable. I used to be able to shoot at one of my friends properties but we are no longer allowed. I'd like to carry it now but I am a little leary because of potential jams issues that I've read about here. I broke it down, cleaned and oiled it per instructions on the tech page.
If I were to carry prior to putting 200 rounds through it I guess using FMJ instead of defense rounds would decrease the liklihood of a jam.
Would it be better to be unarmed than to carry it before it is broken in?

hoghunter
09-02-2011, 02:37 PM
I can ONLY speak for my OWN issues. Had I carried the CM9 and needed it I would have been in trouble. My CM9 resides at Kahr right now getting it's "issues" corrected. I did the break in, I did the sanded followers, etc. but it did not help. I would recommend doing the 200 break in. I think even Kahr says that in order to be dependable it needs 200 round break in period (but that is from memory, don't quote me on that). I am sure others will chime in. Some folks have had ZERO issues with the CM9 while a few unlucky folks like myself have not had a similar experience.

jocko
09-02-2011, 02:46 PM
I purchased a PM9 to carry. It is the only handgun that I own that I can conceal. I will be applying for membership at a range this month so I can get it broken in to the point of it being dependable. I used to be able to shoot at one of my friends properties but we are no longer allowed. I'd like to carry it now but I am a little leary because of potential jams issues that I've read about here. I broke it down, cleaned and oiled it per instructions on the tech page.
If I were to carry prior to putting 200 rounds through it I guess using FMJ instead of defense rounds would decrease the liklihood of a jam.
Would it be better to be unarmed than to carry it before it is broken in?

on the kahr tech section two good sticky's that will make ur PM9 a success. #1 kahr lube chart, #2 propper prepping opf ur new kahr. U mor than likely won';t have any issues if u even ignore these two stycky
's but why not prep ur gun right before going out the first time. If u can't shoot it before actually carrying it, then load the fokker and carry it. It will work OK, break in is what it is break in, where shooter and gun also mate up right. It is always best to carry a gun that has had rounds down range but in ur case, to leave it home until u can go out and shoot it, kinda leaves a time element where u are unprotected. Clean it, lube it follow the prepping thread and your gonna be good to go anyhow.

OldLincoln
09-02-2011, 02:47 PM
Just my opinion, but I would not carry it until I knew it was ready. My thinking is you may unintentionally cut off another avenue of escape if your mind is undecided about using the gun.

Also, I wouldn't be in a rush to sand followers until you know you have an issue. I have 1 6rd and 2 7rd mags that are perfect since I tightened the top end of them.

One must do when first shooting is to run it with ample lube. Folks tell you too much is bad and it may be after completely broken in but I suggest making sure lube point 6 on the chart is greased and rubbed in a bit. Don't need to slather it, but don't smear it on and rub it all off.

les strat
09-02-2011, 02:53 PM
If you carry it without shooting it (which I don't personally recommend), I would not load the mag full, rack one in the chamber, and and one more to the mag while it is still not broken in.
Put the full mag in. Rack one. Carefully remove the mag and tap the back of the mag against something to reseat the rounds, especially the one on top.

PB22POP
09-02-2011, 02:56 PM
Thanks Jocko ... I figure I will at least have one round which is better than none.

PB22POP
09-02-2011, 03:03 PM
If you carry it without shooting it (which I don't personally recommend), I would not load the mag full, rack one in the chamber, and and one more to the mag while it is still not broken in.
Put the full mag in. Rack one. Carefully remove the mag and tap the back of the mag against something to reseat the rounds, especially the one on top.

les strat ...Thanks for the tip!

jocko
09-02-2011, 03:15 PM
Thanks Jocko ... I figure I will at least have one round which is better than none.

one beats a rock:behindsofa: I personally have no fears the gun will do what it is designed to do. We all want u to shoot the gun before carrying but if it cannot be done for awhile, then why have it in the drawer at home. . Kahrs are not touchy. some of our recommendations are just that RECOMMENDATIONS. Many choose to just ignore them and shoot it like they stole it

Bill K
09-02-2011, 03:39 PM
Lets see... Would I rather carry a one shot pistol or nothing at all? Go ahead call me stupid but I believe I'd carry the one shot pistol and hope that it just might empty the magazine if I HAD TO USE IT. I do not live a more risky life style and take more chances because I carry, just the opposite as a matter of fact.

PB22POP
09-02-2011, 03:42 PM
Bill K ... I feel that one is better than none too. It's such a nice litle gun I hate to see it sitting at home.

jocko
09-02-2011, 04:38 PM
Lets see... Would I rather carry a one shot pistol or nothing at all? Go ahead call me stupid but I believe I'd carry the one shot pistol and hope that it just might empty the magazine if I HAD TO USE IT. I do not live a more risky life style and take more chances because I carry, just the opposite as a matter of fact.

u should know to. One can shoot a gun for a 1000 rounds and never have one issue and BINGO the very next shot could be at a BG and the fokker malfunctions. Sh-t happens, we cannot fortell the future. If I could I would tell u who is going to be our next president so we could either rejoice earl;y or cry in agony as to what is coming down our throats:behindsofa:

PB22POP
09-02-2011, 04:58 PM
u should know to. One can shoot a gun for a 1000 rounds and never have one issue and BINGO the very next shot could be at a BG and the fokker malfunctions. Sh-t happens, we cannot fortell the future. If I could I would tell u who is going to be our next president so we could either rejoice earl;y or cry in agony as to what is coming down our throats:behindsofa:

So true! If we only knew the future.

The gun club has it's meeting next Thursday and hopefully I will be able to shoot this thing soon. I'm really looking forward to it!

OldLincoln
09-02-2011, 05:40 PM
OK, guys, I changed my mind. I'm only concerned that it may take a while to get to the range and he get too comfortable with the notion.

I have to confess I still haven't really shot my new shotgun, though it's in defense position. What I did is gut a shell and fire the primer to make sure that much works. If the primer fires the shell would also. It's a pump and I've racked several shells through it so that works. I think that's how they got the space shuttle built, testing little parts then adding them to the mix. First real test was the first flight into space with souls on board.

jocko
09-02-2011, 05:55 PM
good point, why is it that we don't field test our shot guns or rifles like we do with semi's Why no so called break in period for long guns??? Just wondering!1

OldLincoln
09-02-2011, 07:29 PM
I'd test any autoloader because you can't try the action without shooting it. But if the action checks out on lever, pump or bolt it should at least operate - whether or not you can hit anything with it.

Jeremiah/Az
09-02-2011, 07:43 PM
After preping, I would hand rack & dry fire hundreds of times. It will help wear in & smooth the action. Load & carry until you can fire it. The worst case, you have a single shot.

yqtszhj
09-03-2011, 10:06 AM
Welcome to the Forum. Here's something no one else has mentioned yet. While you're waiting to get to the range make sure it's UNLOADED :eek: and do dry fire drills while at home. This will also let you rack the slide multiple times to smooth things out, you will get used to the trigger, and you can practice drawing from whatever position you will be carrying which I find as beneficial as shooting at the range. I find the CM9 is a little smaller that some I have carried before so getting used to the gun is a good think and you develop some muscle memory.

Go through the lube instructions, rack the slide a few hundred timed, load a few rounds and carry it then if you like.

Welcome again to the forum.

wyntrout
09-03-2011, 10:44 AM
Autoloaders are definitely different! When I got my new Charles Daly Tactical Semi-Auto, I took it to the skeet range and found it didn't like anything less than kick-a$$ hunting or powerful defense loads. I still haven't fired buckshot... couldn't do that at the skeet range... not even at the steel-plate pattern-test, four or five foot square smeared with grease to check your patterns.

One oz. loads were not even ejected... even 1300 fps ones. I added an O-ring and that didn't help, either. The new design has a captured one in the part under the barrel where the ports are. I found a heavy trap load that seems to work, but I was just trying to test the darn thing. Birdshot is out. The Remington Express 00 buckshot should definitely do the trick... 1325 fps. It is sprung for defense loads.

Shell#5 into the tube is a b!tch to load... that tight! I leave the chamber empty with the tube full, but still have 5 rounds (2 3/4")... I just went and counted them to be sure.

I still need to get a light or laser/light for that cannon. I bought a regular cylinder choke because I got enough static at the range for the gangster shotgun!

One of the senior members there told me those guns weren't allowed, but I could finish my round. Then he came back and said mine was "okay", it was the butt-stockless ones that were banned. I sure didn't feel welcome there and and got tired of feeling like an ugly wallflower at the dance... you can't pull your own skeet.

At least I learned something about the gun and feel it will do its job with the intended ammo!

Wynn:)

O'Dell
09-03-2011, 11:26 AM
I wouldn't carry it until I had confidence in it, but the same goes for any pistol. Nor would I go to the range expecting it to fail. I have been extraordinarily fortunate with auto-loaders for the last twenty years. All have run fine from the first shot including five Kahrs except for an STI, [fixed with a stronger recoil spring], a Kimber, [fixed with new mags] and two Tauruses [never fixed]. My PM9 only has about 300 rounds through it, but it has worked fine, and I do carry it.

JimC
09-03-2011, 12:24 PM
IMO, NO semi-auto pistol should be carried for self protection/defense until you are 100% positive that it will function 100% of the time with the ammunition that you have chosen to use.

There must be a reason that Kahr recommends a 200 rd. break in period for their pistols. It is printed on pg. 17 of my PM9 manual that...The pistol should not be considered fully reliable until after it has fired 200 rds.

Just read the various posts here on the malfunction rate/problems with Kahr pistols and then make up your mind. ;)

I will not carry any pistol until I have fired 100 rds. minimum of the ammunition that I have chosen for self protection/defense and that is after the initial break-in period.

My first time out with my NIB PM9, the pistol worked 100% with a variety of ammo but...two out of five mags split rendering them useless in the pistol. In a real life situation this could have been disastrous. :eek:

When I was an LE firearms instructor, we did not consider a new pistol 100% reliable until it fired 300 rds. of service ammo with no malfunctions.

apdturbo
09-03-2011, 02:32 PM
i think most people run into problems after several magazines not right off the bat, but for two garunteed bullets rack slide to carry hot and dump your mag refill top round and tap rear to seat all rearward and worst case scenerio you'll have 2 rounds before a typical nosedive issue. 2 to the chest will get the point across.