Glocks and stuff

[knkali]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJNMl3rAyOg&feature=related

do gun shops really deal with kind of stuff?

[knkali]

GLOCK VS 1911

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgP_vWhfLfs&feature=related

[MW surveyor]

Still don't want a Glock!

Like my shiny 45 5" 1911 cause it looks bad ***!.

Great one. Loved all of the statements from the proposed buyer and the remarks from the gun shop dude!

[knkali]

I was going to the range today but I will play an hour of Halo instead. Saves $ on ammo. " I have mad skills man"

[Popeye]

Never thought I'd own a Glock because of the grip angle, but a friend offered me a deal on a LNIB Generation3 G26 that only a fool would pass up. It's destined to live it's life in one of my saddle bags. I haven't shot it yet but probably will get a chance this week.

[O'Dell]

My son offered to give me a 22 that he didn't need anymore. I refused the offer.

[yqtszhj]

I can't imagine owning a glock either. I had one in 1988 or 89 and traded it. Just wasn't impressed. Can't say I remember enough about it to say why anymore but even when I pick one up now it just doesn't tickle me.

Kahr's have impressed me though over the last year.

[Dietrich]

I have never understood the hype surrounding Glocks.They do not have the classic lines of a 1911 nor are they as butt-ugly as a HighPoint.They are certainly not the be-all to end-all of the handgun world.They are,as a rule,dependable,workmanlike,handguns.No more,no less.

[Dietrich]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJNMl3rAyOg&feature=related

do gun shops really deal with kind of stuff?
Yes,they do.

[Bawanna]

I'm not ashamed to admit I have owned probably a dozen Glocks. I have a 21SF now that I use as a night stand gun with a light attached.

I got it mostly cause thats what my dept issues now and I wanted my own so I could stay up on the insides of the thing, then they let me have a dept one for the same purpose so I really don't need it but I still got it.

The beauty of it is there isn't much to fall in love with. It's not pretty in any sense of the word so if I have to go someplace ugly it's the one to take. If I go someplace where I know I have to leave it in the car or otherwise risk theft, it's the one to take. I'd hate to have it stolen or taken following a shooting but I'd miss it much much less than any of my other "real guns".

They work, they do anything they are suppose to do. I think they are a great police issue gun since they aren't finicky and they are easy to replace anything that breaks. Parts are cheap, available and seldom needed.
Police too become attached to certain guns and Glocks fortunately aren't one of them. Some love them but if after a shooting they have to turn it in, they don't fall apart like some others. They just get another one just exactly like it, not traumatic.

It's not the most ergonomically friendly gun to me but I can shoot it well enough. Unlike some it's not my SHTF end of the world go to gun although I wouldn't mind having it along. I'm confident I can fix it if something breaks more so than some of my others.

[Barth]

I've come real close to buying one.
Those EXO FailZero G27/40s look good to me.
http://www.firearmsforum.com/ShowImage.ashx?id=40577&t=2

But spending that kind of money on a plastic gun???
I've settled in to realizing I'm a All Steel man.
Preferably stainless, but at least nickel plated - LOL!

[TheTman]

I always said I didn't want a plastic pistol, but with 2 CW's in my gun case, that argument doesn't hold water. I'd be open to trying one out, I just don't know anyone that has one. I'll have to rent one from the range sometime and see what all the fuss is about. They must be a pretty decent pistol since so many agencies use them. I always thought they were a little over priced too. Usually been able to get something in all steel for a better price.

[Sparks1957]

I've fired Glocks owned by my friends, and they simply don't fire me up. They shoot fine, good ergonomics, very reliable and easy to repair/maintain as I understand... but not for me. They're kind of ugly too.

I definitely prefer metal, though my CW9 is a fine pistol, and I'm looking at a SIG sp2022 as a next handgun buy, so my feelings about polymer are definitely shifting.

[ltxi]

I'm on the same page as Bawanna. Glocks are an excellent "appliance" gun. I have two in .40, a 22 and a 27. They live in my vehicle consoles these days as firearms aren't permitted in the office and any gun I actually care about never leaves my home or my person, except for a lock box.

[jocko]

barth: as smallas glock trie dtomake that 40 cal, it is still not ibn the same class as the kahrs for concealability. I love my G19, best shooter I have ever owned in 40 years AFTER a serious tuning job by Accurate Iron. It is not a safe queen though, as I don't have a safe but it is my home alone gun..

[Barth]

barth: as smallas glock trie dtomake that 40 cal, it is still not ibn the same class as the kahrs for concealability.

Yup, I get that.
Why Glock doesn't make a slim frame, single stack, micro 9/40 is a mystery to me.
Just did rapid double tap drills with the MK40 last weekend.
It's really the very best in CC for me.
When I can wear tactical pants and a reinforced belt.
I've gotten VERY COMFORTABLE with it.
Plus the deck of cards thickness is just amazing for a 40.
It's got to be one of the smallest 40 cal auto loaders on the market.

[jocko]

I was told by a poster member here that glock makes some guns in the U. S. but sells them on the foreighn market. Makes zero sense to me if tha tis true. A single stack ultra compacet 9 by glock would be a sure winner if it wa sin the same size/weight class as the kahr but if they are made across the pond, they cannot make it into the U. swl due to lack of points required to import into our country. Even the Glock 380 cannot be sold here in the U. S. b ut only to LEO' and that is because it lacks the require dpoints to come into our country. screwry i know but as u know our government has more screws than nuts..

[QuercusMax]

To me, guns like Glocks are just bullet launchers. Maybe good ones, but really hard to become passionate about. Perhaps like my toothbrush: it just works, and I don't care what brand it is. Or like the screwdrivers in my various toolboxes.

Do any of you have a really nice screwdriver or toothbrush?

I like nice guns. Because they can be very nice.

Of the guns I own, my only Kahr (at least so far) is pretty much all steel. Because that's very nice. Even among Kahrs, I have trouble getting excited about the plastic models, even if they are do a nice job launching bullets for a moderate price.

I can't ever imagine a Glock as an object of desire.

[ltxi]

I suspect Glock isn't chasing the micro market because it's outside of their primary, professional core target and there's a lot of competition down there. Why get into an unproductive dog fight over a niche that you really don't care that much about?

[Bawanna]

To me, guns like Glocks are just bullet launchers. Maybe good ones, but really hard to become passionate about. Perhaps like my toothbrush: it just works, and I don't care what brand it is. Or like the screwdrivers in my various toolboxes.

Do any of you have a really nice screwdriver or toothbrush?

I like nice guns. Because they can be very nice.

Of the guns I own, my only Kahr (at least so far) is pretty much all steel. Because that's very nice. Even among Kahrs, I have trouble getting excited about the plastic models, even if they are do a nice job launching bullets for a moderate price.

I can't ever imagine a Glock as an object of desire.

I have a 56 pc screwdriver set from Brownells that I protect as well as any of my guns. Members of the family will drive to the hardware store even though I have 100's of kitchen drawer screwdrivers before they touch that Brownells set. I had it less than 2 weeks and still stumbled on a screw I had to modify a tip to fit. I thought I had all the bases covered.
Glocks are like the kitchen drawer screwdrivers, if I have to loan a gun out, that would be it.

[OldLincoln]

Man I have an electric toothbrush that like a Gattling Gun on my teeth!! Don't get better than this!! So don't go talkin no dirt on my BrushMaster!

[Popeye]

I hear ya Bawanna. It is a hard gun to fall in love in with, it's butt friggin ugly. It will be a great beater gun though. I'm already rounding off the front of the trigger guard to be more Kahr like as that point doesn't work for me.
By the time I'm done with it,it will look like it was never there.

[garflys]

Wow, I guess I will be the only one to say I love my glock 26, I think its a great looking gun. Has so few parts you really dont have to worry much about it if something goes wrong. There so damm relible you dont have to worry, is it going to go bang. Dont get me wrong i love my Kahr and Sig. but the glock is special. If it ever comes to when the shtf, thats the gun I want, well maybe the 19 also. Sorry guys but thats how it is.

[Popeye]

Wow, I guess I will be the only one to say I love my glock 26, I think its a great looking gun. Has so few parts you really dont have to worry much about it if something goes wrong. There so damm relible you dont have to worry, is it going to go bang. Dont get me wrong i love my Kahr and Sig. but the glock is special. If it ever comes to when the shtf, thats the gun I want, well maybe the 19 also. Sorry guys but thats how it is.
Don't get me wrong I'm not questioning the reliability of the 26 or any Glock pistol. When you compare how it looks to a Kahr, XD, CZ, IMO it is not a very good looking pistol. Nor do I believe it is more reliable than a CZ XD or Kahr.
As I've owned or now own those three brands as well as a couple others including a RIA 1911 that have been nothing short of perfect after the breakin period. The XD, Kahr PM9 and the CZ were perfect straight out of the box. The CZ 75 B is IMO one of the best looking well thought out pistols on the market and is without question a very fine shooter. I carry my PM9 everyday, Simply because it carries comfortably and works every time. It's to nice and carries to comfortably to live life in a saddle bag.

[Dietrich]

Wow, I guess I will be the only one to say I love my glock 26, I think its a great looking gun. Has so few parts you really dont have to worry much about it if something goes wrong. There so damm relible you dont have to worry, is it going to go bang. Dont get me wrong i love my Kahr and Sig. but the glock is special. If it ever comes to when the shtf, thats the gun I want, well maybe the 19 also. Sorry guys but thats how it is.
Got to agree with you on this one Garfly.I own 3 Glocks [models 19,30sf and 36] and they are all flawless in their function.If they weren`t,I would not own them.I don`t think that either of us are the Koolaid drinkers that some Glock owners seem to be.We`ve just got some very dependable handguns and we like them.It`s funny in a way.There are some rabid Glock haters out there as well as the equally rabid Glock fans.I find it impossible to get that ramped up over an inantimate object.I love all my firearms but they are all for sale if the price is right.

[Popeye]

Agree I'm a fan of many brand name pistols but a fan boy of none. Just to many good pistols on the market that come in all styles, shapes, sizes and calibers, to think one is so much better than the other. Striker fired, hammer fire, poly, or steel it's all good. :D

[Bawanna]

Crap, I'm a fan boy. I feel so weird. Trouble is I'm a fanboy of about 10 brands or maybe more. If it goes bang I like it. Older the better. Weird is good too.

[jocko]

glocks are great guns, but not to steal anyone thunder either, just google up all of the many many many glock changesd to their guns, (not cosmetic) and I think you will have to say WOW. I love my G19 and it would be my go to gun for sure, for one reason I can actually hit with it erxtremely well. It is no more reliable than my PM9 but IMO if you took 100 G19's
out of the box and 100 PM9's out of the box the G19 would win for reliabity every time.

Owning both of them I feel I hae the best of both worlds..

If u think glocks are ugly u should meet my next door neighbors wife. I will not let my two dogs out when she is in her back yard for fear of them having a heart attack.

[OldLincoln]

I wanted to like the Glocks but the double stack and my hand failed to match up. The G36 does and I shoot it well (range gun) but I want to shoot the P45 to compare concealability. Can't buy either for awhile but do want to eventually go all 45.

[O'Dell]

I wanted to like the Glocks but the double stack and my hand failed to match up. The G36 does and I shoot it well (range gun) but I want to shoot the P45 to compare concealability. Can't buy either for awhile but do want to eventually go all 45.

You situation is like mine; the only Glock I can grip comfortably is the 36. However it still has that weird grip angle that makes it difficult for me to shoot well. To put it in a southern vernacular, it just don't point right!

[jlottmc]

See I'm in this camp, I am luke-warm at best about a Glock, I neither love them nor hate them. Now I am about to own my first (think end of the month), and since most LE departments issue one, I had better get used to it. It is a tool, and while it works for what it is, it will never be more than a tool. Same thing with the AR-15. Nothing sexy there, but it works, if you take care of your tools (yes, I'm about to end up with one of them too).

[OldLincoln]

That's the primary reason I wanted a Glock, well that and my son is a Glock fan. I felt the Glock was a tool and that's what i wanted for carry. Something I wouldn't fret over if banged up a bit. If I were to get a G36, I'd prefer a used one with road scars so I wouldn't hesitate to use it as a hammer (kidding).

Problem is I have a deep attachment to my PM9 and it is much more than a tool to me. I know it's just another inanimate object but I'm that way with some stuff.

[jocko]

MAC is a tool so, some buy MAC tools when sears will so the job. Glocks are MAC tools IMO.

[OldLincoln]

I always thought MAC was a high end tool compared to Sears, but never had one. I still use the Fleet socket set I bought when in high school for under $10. Never had a problem with it, but if it got ran over by a truck I wouldn't loose sleep either. That's kind of how I feel about Glocks. Of course I haven't been out in the gun world much.

[Ubaldo99]

My first handgun was a Glock19. I still have it, but I dont carry it or even shoot it that often. But when I do take it to the range (as I did a few weeks ago), I invariably go: Dang! That is a nice pistol; smooth trigger, low recoil, efficient, very accurate. Why dont I carry or shoot it more frequently? I have no answer. Is it possible that we, as gun owners, are drawn (for some perverse reason) to firearms that are more eccentric, problematic, or unpredictable than the Glock? Food for thought.

[Scoundrel]

My first handgun was a Glock19. I still have it, but I dont carry it or even shoot it that often. But when I do take it to the range (as I did a few weeks ago), I invariably go: Dang! That is a nice pistol; smooth trigger, low recoil, efficient, very accurate. Why dont I carry or shoot it more frequently? I have no answer. Is it possible that we, as gun owners, are drawn (for some perverse reason) to firearms that are more eccentric, problematic, or unpredictable than the Glock? Food for thought.

The only thing I like better about Glocks than my CM9 is the capability for a double strike, if the primer does not fire the first time.

That being said, the only time I've ever seen that happen is when my friend is using his Glock and crappy Wolf ammo.

[Bawanna]

The only thing I like better about Glocks than my CM9 is the capability for a double strike, if the primer does not fire the first time.

That being said, the only time I've ever seen that happen is when my friend is using his Glock and crappy Wolf ammo.

Really? My none of my Glocks past and present have had second strike capability. Is that what you mean. Pull the trigger get another try without racking? I love that option but none of mine have it.

A Sig 220 with DAK trigger had it and I liked it alot. Still don't have one.

[ltxi]

Glocks don't have a second strike capability as they require at least partial slide cycle to preload the striker.....same as the Kahr.

[Scoundrel]

Really? My none of my Glocks past and present have had second strike capability. Is that what you mean. Pull the trigger get another try without racking? I love that option but none of mine have it.

A Sig 220 with DAK trigger had it and I liked it alot. Still don't have one.

OK, I think we're having a terminology issue here. I know that he has been able to strike bullets a second time, and that he called it a second strike, but I did not watch exactly what he did to achieve this. I just sent him a TXT for clarification but he has not yet replied.

A Google search has just told me that a Glock requires you to reset the trigger by pulling the slide back a half inch or so before firing again, and that this is not considered a "second strike" by some, but that people like to argue about this point.

So it seems that neither the Glock nor the CM9 have the capability to smack the primer a second time by ONLY pulling the trigger again with no other action performed. I know that his Glock will not be anything exotic - it will have been whatever was cheapest when he went to the local gun shop to get it.

So I must conclude that I am mistaken about the second-strike thing, and for that I am glad, because it eliminates the only doubt I had about my choice of the CM9 over the Glock 26.

(Oh, and he just replied setting me straight. His Glock requires a short slide pull in order to smack that primer again.)


I do have an Astra A75L, which is double-action and single-action, with exposed hammer and all. It will deliver a second hit to the primer by ONLY pulling the trigger again (a long, hard double action trigger pull). Would this be a "second strike" as defined by internet forums? :D

[ltxi]

Yes. That would be second strike capability....as defined by long standing definition/convention.

[Barth]

Yes. That would be second strike capability....as defined by long standing definition/convention.

What a bizarre conversation - LOL!

[Scoundrel]

Yes. That would be second strike capability....as defined by long standing definition/convention.

Yay for second strike. Too bad the Astra weighs too much, is too large, and has too many pointy bits to be a great CCW.

[sierrajb]

Really? My none of my Glocks past and present have had second strike capability. Is that what you mean. Pull the trigger get another try without racking? I love that option but none of mine have it.

A Sig 220 with DAK trigger had it and I liked it alot. Still don't have one.

According to reports I've read and videos I've seen, the Kel-Tec P-11 has this second strike capability. Seemed very appealing to me, too. That (and the cost among other things) was why I was seriously shopping for one before I landed my PM9 last week. Just saying...there are other guns out there with this option.

[ltxi]

What a bizarre conversation - LOL!

Yep

[les strat]

Different tools for different jobs. I love my Kahr for everyday carry. It is light, reliable, and gfoes in the pocket easily.
Now I don't hate or love Glocks. They are what they are - a good reliable gun. I am not crazy about the grip, but I can hit all day long with my bro-in-law's .40 and .45. Would I buy one because they are the ultimate in dependability? No. I have a Ruger P89 that is tough and accurate as any Glock ever made. And you can literally drive nails with it, cause it is super-overbuilt. AFter a nuclear war, all that will exist wil be cockroaches, Keith Richards, and early P-series Rugers.:75:

[knkali]

Different tools for different jobs. I love my Kahr for everyday carry. It is light, reliable, and gfoes in the pocket easily.
Now I don't hate or love Glocks. They are what they are - a good reliable gun. I am not crazy about the grip, but I can hit all day long with my bro-in-law's .40 and .45. Would I buy one because they are the ultimate in dependability? No. I have a Ruger P89 that is tough and accurate as any Glock ever made. And you can literally drive nails with it, cause it is super-overbuilt. AFter a nuclear war, all that will exist wil be cockroaches, Keith Richards, and early P-series Rugers.:75:

well said

[OldLincoln]

Yeah, drive nails with it! That's what I want, a universal type tool that I can carry around the place and pull out when I need to repair the fence or something. That would make carrying around the house worthwhile. Need to check out a Swiss pistol with the knife stuff on it. Yeah!

[les strat]

Need to patent that OL.

[hdsteve69]

I used to be one of those guys that hated and would never own a glock. I ended up buying one for my wife a g17 so she can have one to practice with for qualifying in the police acadamy. I didnt like it at first but the more I shot it the more I liked it .Started doin some research and found that parts are readily available through the aftermarket world and every gun or sporting store you go to you can always find accessories (holsters and the such) for glocks. They also are very easy to completely strip to a bare frame and slide. So I ended up buying a g19 and now carry it every day. I have already put over 5oornds down the pipe of all kinds of ammo including my reloads and some pretty hot loaded reloads of mine with out any issues what so ever plus I shoot it very well even at 25yds.Not that I dont love any of my other guns 2 karhs included but I shoot that glock better than all my guns except my xd's which I shoot equally well as the glock. I agree it is not a pretty gun and it is a tool which is what I use it for as I do all my weapons, I just dont see how you would even begin to compare a glock to a 1911 they are just to different of guns. Maybe back in the day when a 1911 was considered a tool but the 19911's of today are just not ment to be tools today ,they are more a work of art in my opinion. I know some people carry their 1911's these days but I would never carry mine in fear of it getting damaged ,now I do shoot my 1911 and it shoots flawlessly like a 1911 should its just not in the same class as a glock.

[ltxi]

Yeah, drive nails with it! That's what I want, a universal type tool that I can carry around the place and pull out when I need to repair the fence or something. That would make carrying around the house worthwhile. Need to check out a Swiss pistol with the knife stuff on it. Yeah!

In that case, what you need is a steel grip frame single action revolver.

[Bawanna]

"I know some people carry their 1911's these days but I would never carry mine in fear of it getting damaged ,now I do shoot my 1911 and it shoots flawlessly like a 1911 should its just not in the same class as a glock. "

I think this reads the 1911 is so much higher class, higher plain, refined and dignified. The Glock is a tool and has no class. I agree with everything you said, they are a great gun and all the things you said, parts accessories etc are all plentiful, easy and reasonable but it will never be a 1911.
My Cbob kind of turned a little red as I read your post. I think 1911's have feelings too.
I think I'll tie my G21 to the back of my chair when I get home and drag it around the house a few times so it knows I still love it too. Well love might be a little too strong but I like it alot.

[ltxi]

I used to be one of those guys that hated and would never own a glock. I ended up buying one for my wife a g17 so she can have one to practice with for qualifying in the police acadamy. I didnt like it at first but the more I shot it the more I liked it .Started doin some research and found that parts are readily available through the aftermarket world and every gun or sporting store you go to you can always find accessories (holsters and the such) for glocks. They also are very easy to completely strip to a bare frame and slide. So I ended up buying a g19 and now carry it every day. I have already put over 5oornds down the pipe of all kinds of ammo including my reloads and some pretty hot loaded reloads of mine with out any issues what so ever plus I shoot it very well even at 25yds.Not that I dont love any of my other guns 2 karhs included but I shoot that glock better than all my guns except my xd's which I shoot equally well as the glock. I agree it is not a pretty gun and it is a tool which is what I use it for as I do all my weapons, I just dont see how you would even begin to compare a glock to a 1911 they are just to different of guns. Maybe back in the day when a 1911 was considered a tool but the 19911's of today are just not ment to be tools today ,they are more a work of art in my opinion. I know some people carry their 1911's these days but I would never carry mine in fear of it getting damaged ,now I do shoot my 1911 and it shoots flawlessly like a 1911 should its just not in the same class as a glock.

When I belt carry concealed it's virtually always IWB. 85%% of the time that's a PM9 these days, but my preference is is still for my 1911 Officers ACP. Don't worry about damage, carry is what I built it for 20 some years ago. I never carry a Glock concealed. Just doesn't work for me.