My P380 jams...

[KahrOwner]

I have about 700-800 rounds through my P380 now but I am about ready to call it quits. It basically sucks! As follows...

It shoots fine for about the first 20-40 shots then it usually starts needing the slide nudged forward slightly every 10 or 20 shots or so. A little later it also starts to frequently stick and I get a round that is jammed ~2/3+ into the chamber - the only solution that I have found to this problem is to slam the slide forward on it (hammering the round) a few times until the round eventually seats properly into the barrel and then shoot it away.

I also get a few "stovepipes" thrown in for good measure. Dirt seems to be the issue based on the fact that it shoots OK for the first 20-40 shots.

In between issues it will often shoot just fine for an entire magazine or two which is what has kept me hopeful this long.

But this is all very frustrating and I kept hoping that things would "loosen up" eventually but now I am starting to think that this is really just marketing talk and that they hope you will just run out of money for more bullets.

I have been all over the pistol polishing and lubricating and looking for possible causes. I even noticed a very slight bump inside the barrel itself (but not near the chamber area).

I have tried different ammunition - I have tried lots!

I have read the stories here about the delays at Kahr CS and was really trying to avoid all the pain.

I have to say that I am pretty disappointed with Kahr - this is my first Kahr and will almost certainly be my last one. Imagine if your TV maker said that you have to watch it for ~500 hours before it will work OK :rolleyes: - what a joke!

I think that I have probably been spoiled by my Glock's, SIG's and S&W PC's that just go BANG every time. But they all worked just fine from the first shot.

Other than biting the bullet and waiting months for Kahr to fix was wondering if anyone here had any suggestions or things to try (aside from throwing this in the nearest lake).

Very disappointed in Kahr - hate returning things via mail! Anything - far less a gun!

Does anyone have one of these that will actually shoot 200-300 rounds without jamming?

Bob

[jocko]

if u have not yet sent it back SEND IT BACK. Call kahr and tell them what the hell it is doing. They made it, they should take care of it. I would at least give them one chance to make this gun right. I feel ur pain, my 2 big kahrs run great my P380 after one trip back seems OK, althoughI hav enot shot more than 75 rounds at one shooting with it, It should go many rounds before acting up. ur 20-40 total is pure B. S. IMO. it is not right, let them fix it. If there is a problem child in the kahr line up, IMO it is the P380. It has been problematic to many. That gun should easily go 200 orunds without jamming. Call kahr and ask for eion or Jay and state ur case and lethem issue a pre paid pick up on the gun, for sure if if ur pissed, u don't want to trade in a bad gun, get it fixed, then trade it if that is ur intentions. Your glocks, sigs and S & W are 3 times bigger guns, big kahrs seem to do excellent also. It is no doubt easier to make a big gun go bang every time than these small ass guns, not an excuse from me, just a fact.

Give kahr a chance to make it well. Don't judge all kahrs by their P380, IMO that is totally unfair Don't bite the bullet, nibble around it and let the bullet fall out, send it back.

[KahrOwner]

Thanks for your reply - I was expecting to hear as much and yes I will probably just give in and send it back to them shortly under the warranty.

I hear what you are saying about the size of the gun, but I have never seen a bump inside a barrel before on any of my pistols. That just smacks of poor manufacturing and poor QC to me.

It has me wondering what else on this P380 is poorly made.

I also noticed that the slide on this thing also moves in a slightly sticky manner (esp. as it nears to it's closed position) - again the actual size of it shouldn't matter IMO. Try this on your slide and see what I mean - I think that the slide rails are just a bad design.

My SIG and Glock slides move VERY smoothly by comparison and they are under more pressure. I suspect that many of these issues might be caused by this slight slide friction.

I also understand that the smallness of the pistol causes some different problems but my other observations are just not all explained by size alone.

Folks say that the other Kahr pistols are fine - well I'm sorry to say this here but I will probably never know.

The only thing that I actually like about this pistol is its small size but despite that small size it certainly had a large size price tag and so I really had hoped for better.

Bob

[mser]

Bob,

I echo your concerns and frustrations. My P380 spent six weeks back at Kahr before it was returned to me with a new frame. I've since put just over two hundred rounds of various ammunition through it with only a few instances of the same problem you describe; the slide failing to completely return forward requiring a light "push". I also had a few light strikes. I can say that two of my previous problems of failure to fully feed and failure to eject appear to have been fixed. I'll be returning to the range tomorrow for another test round, but I'll also be taking my new S&W Bodyguard 380 that I just picked up. Here's hoping for an enjoyable and problem free range trip.

I have to agree with Jockos advice; SEND IT BACK. My experience with Kahrs customer service is that they're second to none. They seem to have a true desire to make things right. Whatever you do, don't give up on them without giving them a chance. And no, don't judge all Kahrs by your experience with the P380. I've had my PM9 for nearly nine years and in my opinion it's still the best pocket nine out there to this day.

[KahrOwner]

Thank you Mser.

SO even after having it at Kahr for a service you still get "a few instances" as you say of the slide failing to return fully forward and that is even with the new frame?

That makes me think that my bad slide/rail design hunch is quite likely a correct one. It is interesting that they replaced the frame.

I didn't mention this in my earlier post but I did notice some tiny plastic shavings that had come from my frame while cleaning this pistol a couple of times. At the time I put it down to it's newness and just a few rough edges that would likely smooth out. But it still doesn't move really smoothly like a good slide should.

Please post or mail me how your S&W BG compares - I'm thinking that after Kahr repairs my P380 I might just cut my losses on it and try selling it.

But if folks are reading these threads it might be hard to sell :(

Has anyone actually got one of these things that has actually shot more than few hundred rounds without a cleaning and without any jams?

[KahrOwner]

As an engineer myself it just boggles my mind - if the P380 slide needs to be slammed back and forth ~500 times (or so) before things work OK then why don't they just do that for us at the factory?

That would also save me (as a paying Kahr customer) $$$ in buying overpriced .380 ACP ammunition and also drastically improve my buying experience and my opinion of Kahr as a pistol maker. Who knows, I might even buy another Kahr pistol!

I reckon that a purpose built Kahr "slide-racking" machine could accomplish this simple task in just a few seconds and I'm convinced that any Glock made in Austria would never see any of these problems (far less ask you to shoot ~500 rounds before things work).

Sorry Kahr - so far, I am really not impressed. Would love to wave the flag here but so far the Austrians are laughing.

Bob

[MW surveyor]

A bump inside the barrel?

Could you expand on this a bit? Possible photos?

Inquiring minds just want to know!

[Ressom]

I'd be upset and frustrated if I were you. I'd also have called Kahr a long time ago.

Also, comparing to Glock is a little like comparing apples to oranges since Glock doesn't make a .380 as small as the Kahr. But until they do I guess we can imagine the perfection!

[TominCA]

Send it back. - I had one that gave me fits and even though their customer service is slow right now it shold be improving - I got less than wone week door to door in CA!! and they should be returning to that service level eventually.

Sounds like you have several problems - the jam at 2-3 rounds down is the mag catch extending into the mag body and hitting the follower - slowing the feed down. The light strikes could be dirt ot bad recoil springs (springs = 800 rounds or so) and the stovepipes are either crummy ammo; 50 to a box range ammo always has some that are very low powered and barely work the slids, or letting the gun rotate in your hand when firing or both.

Send it back and let them deal with it!

[jocko]

As an engineer myself it just boggles my mind - if the P380 slide needs to be slammed back and forth ~500 times (or so) before things work OK then why don't they just do that for us at the factory?

That would also save me (as a paying Kahr customer) $$$ in buying overpriced .380 ACP ammunition and also drastically improve my buying experience and my opinion of Kahr as a pistol maker. Who knows, I might even buy another Kahr pistol!

I reckon that a purpose built Kahr "slide-racking" machine could accomplish this simple task in just a few seconds and I'm convinced that any Glock made in Austria would never see any of these problems (far less ask you to shoot ~500 rounds before things work).

Sorry Kahr - so far, I am really not impressed. Would love to wave the flag here but so far the Austrians are laughing.

Bob

INDEED SEND THE FOKKER BACK ON KAHRS DIME..

the aussies should try to make a small ass 380 and we can see just how great they are at it. Glocks sure in the hell ain't small, not hard for most gun companies to make a very reliable big semi. Not defending kahr, but don't group the entire kahr line in with the IMO trouble some P380. It is a problem child that I would now shy away from. as for the other kahrs they are indeed excellent guns. No 500 round break in rounds have ever been asked of a kahr, show me that print and I wll eat that. My Para carry 9 was told to shoot 500 orunds before calling them with any issue.Many of the high dollar custom 1911's require many rounds for break in in order for allthings to mate up and be smooth..

I hate it when people compare kahrs P380 as small as any semi out there to a big glock.(glocks smallest glock is a BIG ASS GLOCK) We are know glocks are great guns, and if one feels that strong then buy the glock and stick it in ur front pocket.

[KahrOwner]

So, I emailed Kahr last night and started the dreaded repair conversation - I even went so far as to suggest swapping my P380 for a PM9 replacement, no response from them yet.

For the guy who asked about the barrel bump - it would be very difficult to actually photograph it. But you can see a definite (tooling?) "ripple" in the barrel wall on one side if you hold it up to the light - obviously not big enough to jam a bullet or such.

But definitely a flaw - it looks to me like perhaps the barrel rifling machine had a kind of a hiccup.

Wonder if that also affects accuracy? (Least of my worries at the moment).

Thank you for all your responses,

Bob

[jocko]

they ain't gonna swap uy guns, that just does not happen. not as easy as u would think. car companies won't swap ur vehicles when u get unhappy. Let kahr fix the gun, and then while i tis there u decide if you want to peddle it when it comes back.. The barrel thing deos not sound right tome, I would think kahr will address that to but let them know all the things that concern u when u send it in.

[KahrOwner]

they ain't gonna swap uy guns, that just does not happen. not as easy as u would think. car companies won't swap ur vehicles when u get unhappy. Let kahr fix the gun, and then while i tis there u decide if you want to peddle it when it comes back.. The barrel thing deos not sound right tome, I would think kahr will address that to but let them know all the things that concern u when u send it in.

Yes, I don't really expect them to agree to replace it with a different model - that's just wishful thinking on my part.

[jocko]

well some times wishs do come true..

[Rightwing]

My p380 was terrible until I sent it back. When Kahr returned it (6wks later) it came back with a totally different attitude, able to eat anything I feed it. I am not sure why they cannot automate the break in process, and why they do not seem to monitor these boards. Send it back, mine went from junk to trustworthy and I carry it always.

[KahrOwner]

My p380 was terrible until I sent it back. When Kahr returned it (6wks later) it came back with a totally different attitude, able to eat anything I feed it. I am not sure why they cannot automate the break in process, and why they do not seem to monitor these boards. Send it back, mine went from junk to trustworthy and I carry it always.

Interesting! I assume that you mean with absolutely no more jams?

Also, about how much do you feed it at a time?

When I take a pistol (any pistol) to the range I usually only take one at a time from my collection and I will typically shoot 150-300 shots in a session.

Someone local to me suggested that maybe these little tiny pistols can't handle all that resulting crud from this amount of shooting without a good cleaning. His idea was that maybe they were more like "10 shots (or less)" handle-a-situation type of pistols.

Trouble is that I don't know anyone else locally who owns a P380 to compare it to - so your feedback here is invaluable.

Bob

[jocko]

quote: Someone local to me suggested that maybe these little tiny pistols can't handle all that resulting crud from this amount of shooting without a good cleaning. His idea was that maybe they were more like "10 shots (or less)" handle-a-situation type of pistols.

IMO that is pure bull ****. kahrs can and should go 200 rounds with ease, the bigger kahrs even further. Not sure one should be putting 200 rounds out of his 380 at one session, not that the gun cannot take it but the shooter willget tired, grip changes, then things change and the gun gets blamed for it. IMO keep the 380 sessions shorter just for the shooters sakes, not the gun. It should and will take alot of rounds without relubing, "if the gun is right in the first place. wE TEND TO BALME THE AMMO FRO BEING DIRTY, ALL AMMO IS DIRTY, SOME DIRTIER THAN OTHERS BUTR BASICALLY no ammo is clean, but these guns are nbot like precision timepeaces either. They are buil,tto take rounds and built to take some crud buildup to.. If I shot a j100 rounds at one session out ofmy 380 for sure I would give it a good cleaning and lubing before packing it with defense stuff and sticking it in my pocket. A clean gun is normally a happy gun....

[Rightwing]

Yes, no failures of any kind. I will typically shoot between 50 and 100, and clean the gun after about 150 rounds. I typically use wwb but have run many other brands through it without any trouble. If it works right it is awesome, and it can work right, but for some reason not always right out of the box. Before I sent it back I cursed it.

[TominCA]

I have 2 P380's - one is "fussier" about cleaning - At first it was a lemon - sent it back and then it would go 75 rounds - then strat to stovepipe (dirt) I polished it up, especially a "bumpy area" on the bottom of the barrel which was interfering with the slide at the rear of the cycle. I should have taken a file to it! Now it goes 150 rounds. The other one (the less fussy one) has gone about 200 rounds with no problem and I stopped shooting because I ran out of ammo.

They are tiny and a little dirt is a lot of resistance in so small a gun. I found that Mil-Tech and a light coat FP-10 over it is great to resist dirt but provide a good lube.

[garflys]

I always shot at lest 200 rds everytime I went to range. To say that you should not shoot that much is not right, that you have to shoot 50 or 100 at the most, then clean it. thats not right and if it is, the company should say that. I buy guns to shoot not to sit in a safe or carry in my pocket or on my hip, hoping it will work if I need it. If there is a problem and Kahr knows, Just let us know. I think it hurts the company to have all these gun returned to them and not admit there is a flaw in the design. Just saying

[jocko]

nOT SURE THAT ANYONE IS saying not to shoot 200 rounjds. that is ur callto make. very expensive also for a 380 to just plink away but again it is ur gun, do what you want. Most 380 owners that Iknow never shoot 200 at one sitting, not thatthe guns can't take itk, normally the shooter gets damned tired shooting a small ass gun like the 380 and also ammo sure is expensive. When one shoots 200+ rounds at one sitting and things happen it is normaly towards the end of the shoot and that could be indicative of dirty/dry gun, and or tired shooter and then things happen that is not really the guns fault. the 380 is what it is a close up personal gun that will save your life. If one expect it to shoot hundreds of rounds at one sitting when his G19 can do thousdns, then IMO that person is dreaming, but again I am ot arguing with you but I am stating what I have seen and know to be true. At 12 to 15 bucks a gbox of 50 runds I just ain't gonna shoot 200 rounds at one time with my 380 and it will be recleaned ald lubed before ever going back in my pocket. A clean gun is a happy gun.

[KahrOwner]

Thank you again for all your feedback.

A Kahr guy replied that he had passed my email message on to their customer service folks - that was the middle of last week and so far I have heard nothing. It looks like I'll need to try contacting them again.

Interesting hearing that the other P380 pistols cited on here are shooting hundreds of rounds trouble free. To be honest I was mainly "hammering" mine a little bit to see if the problems were going to disappear after a bit of hard shooting loosened things up.

In truth I didn't actually enjoy shooting 150+ rounds through that little pistol. It's biggest virtue IMO is really its small "easy carry" size - my hope was that it would also become more reliable.

Instead I have other larger pistols that I actually enjoy shooting much more like my 9mm SIG P226 X-Five (and that would be true even if my Kahr was completely trouble free which it isn't - normally I'd shoot the SIG more).

Well, I will keep you all posted on the outcome of this....

Bob

[jocko]

they will get ur right, it is a nice gunj, IMO a great gun but the little buggers seem finicky "for some". certainly IMO when goes out and shoots 100+ rounds out of the little gun that is normally when things happen, Now my two cents on this is "possably a dirty gun"
but I doubt that to, they are built to shoot a long time between cleaning periods. My main concern and I can't prove it nor can the shooter, but a shooter just gets alittle sloppy after 100 rounds with these little gun and the sligfhtest change in grip, etc can produce things that never happened ever in the first 50 or so rounds. If you can go out with a P380 and shoot 50 rounds which should be a breeze to do and have zero issues, then u should IMO assume it is good to go for what you have it for DEFENSE . Go back home clean, relube, check all parts out and go back and do the same thing 50 rounds. if successful , then again you convincing yourself that this gun is reliable. One need not shoot 200+ rounds at one setting to prove a gun out. 50 rounds willgive you goodisight into what is going on. Certainly the more rounds down range over a few sessions and the gun mates up with all parts so much nicer than shot #1 felt like and also the shooter mates up with that particular gun alot better tan shot #1. These guns are very small, abaout the smallest out there and no doubt shooter error is a major factor in issues with any small gun. Were all PRO'S ,we never make mistakes, it is always the guns fault "course guns can't talk" so we are never wrong?????

NEVER CARRY A DIRTY GUN. Rangegun dirty that might not go bang is no big deal defense gun tha tis dirty and does not go bang is really a big deal, let alone stupid..

[KahrOwner]

Sounds like a PM9 would have been a better choice for me.

The whole experience so far has put me off (all) small guns.

Still haven't heard back from Kahr customer service...

R.

[jocko]

no doubt in my mind the PM9 would have served u well. I can't disagree with you on the small guns stuff. Owned one lcp, (sent it back once) Owned 3 kel tec (sent them back 17 timnes) Own a P380, (sent it back once) I am batting zero. Own a PM9, K9 never been back. Own a G19 (sent it back once). Owned a Para Carry 9 (sent it back 3 times)

oh by the way, none of the above ever called\ me to say "we got your gun, sorry yadda yadda. that crapola normally just doesnt' happen..

[LMT42]

Sounds like a PM9 would have been a better choice for me.

The whole experience so far has put me off (all) small guns.


Sorry, but there are plenty of POS PM9s out there too. Kahr is pushing the boundaries with such tight tolerances in tiny guns. I put up with Kahrs because of their superb triggers and recoil dampening properties.

If the p380 doesn't work for you, buy a little Kel Tec p3at. Kel Tec makes lemons too, but their customer service is second to none. Because they have such loose tolerances, they don't produce as many lemons though. They're also half the price. However, they have ****** triggers and kick like mules, so the gun won't be very accurate beyond ten feet.

Unfortunately, in the tiny 380/9mm arena, the only real players are Kahr and Kel Tec (Ferrari v. Kia). It would be nice if someone would fill the niche in between.

[teasypee]

the Taurus TCP? I had to send it back to Miami for a new ejector, but it has been flawless after it's vacation. It was a one week all expense paid (by Taurus) vacation.

I think the trigger is the closest to my P380 than the other small 380's. I don't know for sure I have not tried them all, but I read the boards.

The P380 does not seem to jump up as much as the Taurus either. I am really fond of the night sights on the Kahr, but I am still fairly accurate with the TCP.

The TCP is my approved backup weapon as my Kahr is still breaking in after 250 rounds. (25 at a time then cleaned)
YMMV

[KahrOwner]

The TCP is my approved backup weapon as my Kahr is still breaking in after 250 rounds.
YMMV

Perhaps the break-in period really ends when we just get tired of wasting good .380 ammunition? :o

I have more than twice that amount through mine and I have seen no change at all in how it misbehaves.

Went back to shooting my favorite 9mm SIG X-Five which runs just like Ol' Man River. The difference is like night and day.

Wish I could get my money back!

Bob

[bamaman]

Sorry to hear about your troubles. I own a CW9 that dealt me some fits when I first got it. I own several Sigs, and have never had a problem from first round on. When I got the CW9, I could not believe how rough and gritty feeling racking the slide was. Then I had lock back issues in which I had to file down the stop pin. I was perturbed to say the least. Fast forward.. this has become my favorite EDC, it is now smooth as silk, and eats any and everything I feed it. Should have been this way from the factory, but I'm glad I hung in there with this gun. The good advise from this board got mine running like it should. Good luck with yours, and hopefully Kahr will get it right for you.

[KahrOwner]

Just to keep everyone posted on events ... after waiting for a few days I suddenly heard back from two different Kahr customer services guys simultaneously (I think that they must have duplicated my complaint in the system somewhere).

But one of them immediately offered me a prepaid FedEx return under the warranty so that they could inspect my P380 and repair it as necessary.

So, I mailed it off to them at the end of last week - and now it is just a waiting game.

Will post the end result of all this on this board - I'm hoping that they can surprise me and turn this pistol into a reliable shooter.

Since my barrel has that weird internal bump in the steel (probably not repairable?) and I suspect that I might also have the "frame issue" I could end up with what is more or less a brand new P380.

But anyway... we'll need to see what they say about all this..

Bob

[KahrOwner]

Just heard that my Kahr P380 is now repaired and ready for pickup at a local dealer here as a "transfer". Why you say?

Basically because this is like doing a new gun purchase all over again (here in California) because Kahr had to replace the frame and so they also changed the serial number in doing that.

What a horrible experience this is so far for me - I will also have to pay a dealer and DROS fee again and also give up on my next planned pistol purchase (which was going to be a 9mm Glock 34 this week) for ~40 more days!

THIS SUCKS!!!!!

I need to go through another 10 day waiting period to get my own gun back and then wait 30 days to buy another pistol here because of California law.

If that thing still jams when I finally get it back I think that it is likely going into the nearest smelter next time around!

I will give a full and detailed "range report" on here on my repaired pistol a.s.a.p. (10-11 days from now).

Also, the Kahr folks told me that the "bump" inside my barrel was visible but "acceptable". NOT TO ME IF I HAD SEEN IT BEFORE GETTING MY WALLET OUT!

Bob

[KahrOwner]

BTW, can anyone guess what I'd say at this point if a friend were to ask me whether he should buy a Kahr pistol?

<BAD LANGUAGE DELETED> :mad:

[rogerthedodger]

Just a FYI KahrOwner, in Kali, its 30 days from doj register to register, the 10 days is within the 30 days. So, you can register a gun every 30 days(dealer purchase) but if you do a face to face purchase no 30 day wait. There is still the 10 day (cooling off period) as we here in Kali call it before gun in hand. I feel ur pain, I am also doing it on my new frame P380 from Kahr. In fact, I also put off another purchase because Kahr told me a new frame was coming.
Roger

[KahrOwner]

Just a FYI KahrOwner, in Kali, its 30 days from doj register to register, the 10 days is within the 30 days. So, you can register a gun every 30 days(dealer purchase) but if you do a face to face purchase no 30 day wait. There is still the 10 day (cooling off period) as we here in Kali call it before gun in hand. I feel ur pain, I am also doing it on my new frame P380 from Kahr. In fact, I also put off another purchase because Kahr told me a new frame was coming.
Roger

Thanks Roger.

It seems to me that the serial number is just a simple machine stamp. If they are replacing the frame (which they also make) why can't they transfer the stupid number? Or... move that little metal plate from one bit of plastic to the next (which is all that it is).

I'm also willing to bet that the State of California computer now believes that I own two of these pistols thanks to this silly DROS nonsense. They are probably wondering why I am collecting pocket pistols :rolleyes:

Bob

[rogerthedodger]

Yea, I wonder the same thing. Do they think I own 2 of them? All this dros stuff is stupid anyway, the bg's don't follow the stupid rules anyway. Good luck on your "new" P380. I took mine to the range today, it shot awsome. However, another problem emerged, load a new mag, first round hangs on the striker. Does it every time. I put this in a new post. Good luck,
Roger

[KahrOwner]

Yea, I wonder the same thing. Do they think I own 2 of them? All this dros stuff is stupid anyway, the bg's don't follow the stupid rules anyway. Good luck on your "new" P380. I took mine to the range today, it shot awsome. However, another problem emerged, load a new mag, first round hangs on the striker. Does it every time. I put this in a new post. Good luck,
Roger

Sadly if you actually needed the thing it is probably that first round that counts the most.

I'm thinking of making a video and putting it on YouTube with my OWN review of the P380. I only saw really positive stuff posted there prior to shelling out nearly $700 which now all seems just a little bit fishy to me. It's time to redress the balance a bit!

My range report with my own repaired Kahr (coming soon) will be going everywhere that I can think to post it if I am still seeing these problems.

It is now also causing me to have to wait longer for my long awaited Glock 34 purchase.

Bob

[rogerthedodger]

Hmmm, interesting, I have been thinking of a G27 Gen 4, but am also held up by the 30 day rule, bah humbug.

[DaveInCA]

Just heard that my Kahr P380 is now repaired and ready for pickup at a local dealer here as a "transfer". Why you say?

Basically because this is like doing a new gun purchase all over again (here in California) because Kahr had to replace the frame and so they also changed the serial number in doing that.

What a horrible experience this is so far for me - I will also have to pay a dealer and DROS fee again and also give up on my next planned pistol purchase (which was going to be a 9mm Glock 34 this week) for ~40 more days!

THIS SUCKS!!!!!

I need to go through another 10 day waiting period to get my own gun back and then wait 30 days to buy another pistol here because of California law.


Bob

I'm on my third p380 frame, and I think it's fixed now. My dealer assured me that although I have the 10 day wait, they flag it as a warranty repair and it doesn't count to the one gun per 30 days rule. If I buy a consignment gun from them it doesn't count either (I did that, bought a PM9 a week after a consignment gun).

Dave

[rogerthedodger]

Yes, consignment and ppt or person to person transfers do not effect the 30 day rule, only purchases from dealers of new and used handguns purchased by the dealer for resale. Of course, the 10 day "cooling off" period always applies, before you can take possession.(bah humbug-stupid laws).
Roger