Greetings from Texas w/a CW9 on the way

[bradtown]

After having Glocks and religiously carrying the 1911 platform for years my brother finally talked me into a Kahr. After handling several models I decided on the CW9. Should take delivery this week.

My question is two fold - what grain and type of ammo do the CW's prefer?
I read somewhere the gun prefers a heavier grain bullet but hey... its the interweb. :rolleyes:
Its been my experience some guns tend to favor certain loads over others.

Forgive me for perhaps beating a dead horse but I didnt see this topic thread in my search of the forum.

While Ive got your attention, wheres the best place to find a Comp-Tac Infidel? I just got beat out on one at our favorite bidding site. hahaha

Thanks all!

Regards,
Brad

[Bill K]

Welcome to KahrTalk!

Best of luck with your CW9. If pocket carry is something you'd consider then the CM9 or PM9 would make a better choice.

My guess would be that in 9mm 124 +P would be the SD round most often loaded. Gold Dots might just be the most popular 124 +P rounds.

[Bawanna]

Kahrs aren't really ammo sensitive. I'd pick whatever you've used and liked in the past and make sure it works but odds are it will work just fine.

We have both schools here the heavy bullet group and the light bullet group, I don't think either is wrong. I lean towards lighter in everything except 45 which is all I carry so I guess my leanings on the others probably don't count much.

Glad you found us.

[hotpig]

Mine likes the Ranger 147gr RA9T.

[dean1818]

115 grain corbon dpx .......

great penetration
great expansion

[wyntrout]

Here:

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[TheTman]

From Chuck Hawks' website:

"This is unquestionably the world's most popular pistol round. For this reason it has been the subject of a lot of experimentation, because 9mm ball - used by every army in the Western world - is a mediocre manstopper. Jacketed hollowpoints are a must if one wishes to rely on the 9mm as a defense round. Use ball ammo for practice only.
9mm ammunition is available in two pressure levels: standard and "+P." The latter should only be used in newer guns (made since 1985 or so), and is best used sparingly. I will deal here with only commercially available ammunition: there are specialized loads available only to law enforcement personnel. Civilians should not worry, as there are commercial loads as good or better than anything restricted to law enforcement usage.
I will now tell you the best 9mm Luger load for self-defense: it is the Cor-Bon 9mm 115 grain +P Jacketed Hollowpoint. This is the most powerful and street-proven manstopper available in this caliber. It is a high velocity (1340 fps) and high pressure round, and more effective than any load restricted to law enforcement use (such as the Federal 9BPLE).
Unfortunately, it is also likely to jam many older guns. For this reason I add a table at the end of the 9mm section discussing round suitability for different guns. Modern hollowpoints may either (a) jam, or (b) be too powerful for some older guns. This load is suitable only for First Class pistols (see table).
The best standard pressure 9mm load is the Federal 115 grain JHP (9BP). Its effectiveness and accuracy make it the world standard. Buy several boxes.

Other excellent standard pressure 9mm loads are
the Winchester Silvertip 115 grain (X9MMSHP), and Federal 124 grain Hydra-shok (P9HS1).
For guns that may jam with the Cor-Bon or Federal 115 grain hollow-points, the Remington 115 grain +P JHP is a good choice (R9MM6). For older guns I would use the Remington standard pressure 115 gr. JHP (R9MM1).

Bad 9mm Loads to avoid (and certainly NEVER carry). Numbers given:
Federal Gold Medal 9mm 147 grain JHP (9MS)
Federal Hydra-Shok 9mm 147 grain JHP (P9HS2)
Winchester 147 grain 9mm Silvertip Subsonic JHP (X9MMST147)
Winchester 147 grain 9mm Super-X Subsonic (XSUB9MM)
Remington 147 grain 9mm JHP (R9MM8)
Remington 147 grain 9mm Golden Saber JHP (GS9MMC)
Remington 140 grain 9mm JHP (R9MM7)
Remington 88 grain 9mm JHP (R9MM5) This bullet is far too light.
CCI Lawman 147 grain 9mm PHP "Plated Hollow Point" (3619)"

He used to preface his point on 147 grain ammo by saying:

"There was a stupid fad for 147 grain hollowpoints a few years ago, and many were suckered into buying these weak, worthless and malfunction-prone rounds. I don't care what you've heard: never use any 9mm hollowpoint heavier than 125 grains. 147 grain hollowpoints often jam in many popular 9mm guns like the Browning Hi-Power, SIG, Beretta 92, S&W and Glock. Ignore the gun magazine hype and stick to what works.

If you want to gamble, go to Reno. Don't gamble with your life. 147 grain ammo sucks."

He removed that paragraph recently, it was still on the website last spring when I looked at it.

Here is his list of gun suitable for the different ammos:

"Table Of 9mm Pistols.
(Note: just because your pistol appears in Class 3, say, doesn't mean it is unreliable: it may indeed feed hollowpoints. But you must fire at least 200 rounds of your chosen JHP carry load to determine if your pistol will feed them properly. I have placed pistols in each category according to reputation and experience. These are only meant as guidelines - your pistol may feed JHP rounds better - or worse - than this table indicates)
First Class pistols are ultra-reliable and high-quality new guns than can feed any hollowpoint and tolerate +P loads with no problems: SIG/Sauer P220 series. Czech CZ75 and CZ85. Walther P5, P5C, and P88. Heckler and Koch USP and P7 series. All Glocks. All Ruger 9mm pistols. Taurus PT-99, PT-92 and PT-92C. Steyr GB. Beretta 92 series. Browning BDM and Hi-Power (if it says "Portugal" on the slide). All Smith & Wessons with a four-digit model number (e.g. 5906, 3913, 6904, 5903) and the Smith & Wesson 900 series. Star M28, M30, M31, and all Firestars, Megastars, and Ultrastars.

Second Class pistols are high quality guns that may not feed all hollowpoints reliably. Remington 115 gr. hollowpoints are recommended for these guns: Smith & Wessons with two or three digit model numbers (e.g. 659, 39-2, 469, 59, 39). Heckler and Koch VP70 and P9S. Beretta "Brigadier" M1951 and the Egyptian copy, the Interarms "Helwan." Colt M2000 "All-American" (now discontinued, for good reason), Colt Series 70 Government Model, Series 70 Commander. Astra A-70, A-75 and A-100. AMT "On Duty." Daewoo. Bersa 'Thunder 9'. EAA Witness, and all other CZ-75 copies (e.g. Tanfoglio, Tanarmi, Springfield Armory P9). Taurus PT-908. Walther P4. Star BK, BKM, Model B and 'Super.' Browning Hi-Powers without the word "Portugal" on the slide. Llama Model 82. IMI "Jericho" and "Kareen."

Third Class pistols should generally be loaded with ball for best reliability - experiment with your gun extensively before carrying JHP: Walther P38, P4 or P1. Luger. Llama. Maverick. MKS Model JS. Intratec CAT-9, DC-9, KG-9, etc. SWD Cobray Model 11/9 and similar models. Scarab Scorpion. Kimel AP-9. Bryco Jennings Model 59. All KBI Hungarian pistols (e.g. GKK, PJ9C, P9HK and other "FEG" products). "Norinco" or "Sportarms" Chinese Tokarev pistols. Lahti. Radom. MAB P15 and Model 1950."

Me and a friends testing with 147 grain bullets on cartridges we manufactured, showed to us that the 147 grain was the least accurate bullet when choosing between 119, 124, and 147 grain. This was with 2 test pistols, an Italin made Beretta 92, and a Star Model 30. Accuracy wasn't terrible, but we had noticably larger groups with the 147 gr bullets.

If 147 grain work fine for you then by all means carry it. I'm not going to argue the merits of one weight over the other, except in my personal experience the 119 and 124 grain bullets gave tighter groups. This testing was done back in the 90's and I'm sure bullets have improved quite a bit in that time, and reloading data has probably changed since then. I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of any of the bullet weights. I'm just throwing this out for FYI. Don't be mad at me if you are a 147 grain fan, I didn't write the article.

[JFootin]

Have a look at the first 2 stickies in the Kahr Tech section to get your gun ready for the first range session.

[jlottmc]

Welcome to the asylum, let us know if you have any other questions. BTW Bawanna had it right, Kahrs as a whole aren't sensitive to ammo, so test it, and as always YMMV.