New to forum... 1st Kahr CM9

[Steeltoes]

Hello all...After having put 50 rds through a buddies CM9, I had to get me one...I like the Glock like feel in my hand...I purchased an LC9 a few months ago and put 400rds through it with no problems, but I didn't like the fit/feel and absolutely hated the looooong trigger pull and wasn't really fond of the hammer fire, manual safety, and the lack of ability of shooting without the mag...:( So I sold it a few days ago and picked up my first Kahr brought it home, field stripped it and cleaned it...Went to the range today ate up 100 rds and had only 2 no feeds on the second rnd of the first 2 mags, after that it fed flawlessly...I absolutely love the feel of the trigger and am amazed at the accuracy...:D Tomorrow I'll put another 100 rds through it.

[yqtszhj]

Welcome. I have the CM9 also. Mine has ran really well so far.

[apdturbo]

welcome

[RichmondR]

I'm new here too. The CM9 is a fantastic little gun ... I cant believe how well I am shooting with it. Have run three brands of FMJ through it some Hornady hollow points as well. Now have three mags, no nosedives ... ever ... and only two slides locked back on 3rd or 4th round. That's it ,,, not quite yet as bulletproof as my Sig P226 or my HK P2000SK, but getting closer.

[jocko]

check ur thumb on the slide locking back thing. more than likely that is the issue.not sure what ammo is is doing it with either or how many rounds you have through thegun but have you read the kahr tech section, the sticky called propper prepping of ur new kahr. It will tell you some things to check out, takes 5minutes and u will learn alot also by reviewing it. There are only a few things that can cause slides to lock back, and that stickjly addresses each one. My bet it is ur thumb position.

[Bill K]

Welcome to KahrTalk!

Sounds like you're off to a good start with your new Kahr. That's good.

[JBarbaresi]

welcome from another new member and new cm9 owner. i have been really impressed with the cm9 and it has replaced my glock 19 as a daily carry gun.

[Steeltoes]

Thanks...Jocko...I should have been more specfic...only 2 nosedives on the 2nd rnd of the first 2 clips...other than that it has been flawless

[Chowser]

argh. my cm9 came in on tuesday. i was going to shoot it friday, but we got too busy at work and i'm not back till monday night (i refuse to pay at a private range when i have a free range at work and free ammo, and i also refuse to drive in to work on my day off, even if it is to shoot, yeah yeah, i'm lazy, i'd rather spend time with the family), but between last tuesday and friday, i cleaned the gun and racked the slide 500+ times. i had dummy rounds at home, so i tried running a few through and had nose dive issues. checked both mags and reversed the springs, no more nosedive issues.
faxed in my form for the free mag from Kahr. Planning on shooting 200 rds of fmj on monday, then 100 rds of jhp, and if all goes well, sending the slide and barrel off to get refinished. really thinking about getting a black finish on it, but will probably get an electroless nickel/teflon coating like the rest of my guns.
glad to see more people are having good luck with new guns from kahr.

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oh, i know i have to get a new front sight since the original will get destroyed during refinishing. i'll pick up the trijicon front sight from kahr's website.

[Steeltoes]

Back from the range...went through 100rds of Magtech 124gr in a half hour...:D I'm going to put another 100rds through it tomorrow after a good cleaning and lube tonight... then it becomes my primary

[Steeltoes]

Went to the range again this evening went through 100rds with a new mag...have the same issue with a nosedive on the second and third rd...It doesnt seem like the mag release is catching the follower, but it may be. Anyone have any other suggestions

[Steeltoes]

Im off to the range tomorrow afternoon...should be interesting...:)

[CJB]

Try different ammo. My PM9 really likes plain jane WWB 115 stuff.... never a bobble. Likewise, the PM45 seems to prefer, if anything, shorter rounds than longer.

[JBarbaresi]

Went to the range again this evening went through 100rds with a new mag...have the same issue with a nosedive on the second and third rd...It doesnt seem like the mag release is catching the follower, but it may be. Anyone have any other suggestions

have you already broken down your magazines to make sure they are assembled correctly? is the FTF only happening on the 2nd and 3rd rounds?

[Steeltoes]

have you already broken down your magazines to make sure they are assembled correctly? is the FTF only happening on the 2nd and 3rd rounds?
Yes I broke down the mags cleaned them up, made sure the springs are inserted correctly :)...Yes it only happens on the 2nd or 3rd rnd, but intermmitently.

[JBarbaresi]

Yes I broke down the mags cleaned them up, made sure the springs are inserted correctly :)...Yes it only happens on the 2nd or 3rd rnd, but intermmitently.

if i'm following correctly you have 2 magazines and the FTF occur with both, are both of them 6 rounders?

what types of ammo have you shot and do you notice the failures with one kind over another?

are you making sure the rounds are fully seated all the way to the rear of the magazine when you load them?

have you let someone else shoot the gun to see if they can replicate the feeding issues?

is the slide actually locking back from the slide lock engaging "mid magazine" or is the round nosediving into the feed ramp? you made a comment about the follower hitting the mag release that i didn't understand.

sorry for the questions, i don't mean to insult your intelligence. if there is a mechanical problem causing stovepipes (i.e. something wrong with the equipment) it is usually a result of the magazines. the fact that you are having problems with more than one magazine would suggest either they both have an identical problem (not terribly likely) or it is a problem with the gun/shooter.

the ammo question is important because if some ammo works fine and others don't, it may be a power factor with the new gun and a result of the recoil assembly still not being fully broken in. if you have a chance to let another experienced shooter give it a try that will also be able to rule out shooter error and you can focus you attention on what's going on with the mechanical aspect.

[mightymouse]

Once the CM9 is set up, and broken in it should eat any quality ammo.
Shouldn't have to, but we've been down that road in other posts. Sometimes you need to give them a tweak or two.

[JBarbaresi]

I don't agree with the try a different ammo approach. Once the CM9 is set up, and broken in it should eat any quality ammo. imho, those that say their picky gun shoots only brand x or y are taking the easy way out and giving into the problem rather than taking the time and effort to make it reliable with all.
Shouldn't have to, but we've been down that road in other posts. Sometimes you need to give them a tweak or two.

i agree with your statement 100%. any gun intended for SD should eat any brand of ammo without problems. the key to your statement is "once set up and broken in". it sounds like the OP only has a couple hundred rounds through so far. if not fully broken in yet, some of the lighter loads out there would more easily manifest a malfunction if the gun is not broken in, more specifically with the recoil assembly.

it sounds like the 100 rounds of magtech worked fine, which is why i was wondering if there was another brand/load that was being used during the failures.

[Scoundrel]

Once the CM9 is set up, and broken in it should eat any quality ammo.
Shouldn't have to, but we've been down that road in other posts. Sometimes you need to give them a tweak or two.

So far, my CM9 eats whatever I feed it and begs for more. I've gone through Federal, S&B, and PMC, all 115gr FMJ.

Haven't tried any JHP yet. Still working on my shot placement, and using the cheap stuff for practice. I probably have a couple thousand rounds through it by now.

Other than a bad 7rd magazine, I've had no problems.

I'm just saying this to put a voice out there in favor of the CM9. It can be a perfect little gun.

[JBarbaresi]

So far, my CM9 eats whatever I feed it and begs for more. I've gone through Federal, S&B, and PMC, all 115gr FMJ.

Haven't tried any JHP yet. Still working on my shot placement, and using the cheap stuff for practice. I probably have a couple thousand rounds through it by now.

Other than a bad 7rd magazine, I've had no problems.

I'm just saying this to put a voice out there in favor of the CM9. It can be a perfect little gun.

this has been my experience with the cm9 also, only not quite as many rounds. i have shot 200 rounds of 147gr federal HSTs though and it didn't miss a beat with those either.

[Steeltoes]

if i'm following correctly you have 2 magazines and the FTF occur with both, are both of them 6 rounders?

what types of ammo have you shot and do you notice the failures with one kind over another?

are you making sure the rounds are fully seated all the way to the rear of the magazine when you load them?

have you let someone else shoot the gun to see if they can replicate the feeding issues?

is the slide actually locking back from the slide lock engaging "mid magazine" or is the round nosediving into the feed ramp? you made a comment about the follower hitting the mag release that i didn't understand.

sorry for the questions, i don't mean to insult your intelligence. if there is a mechanical problem causing stovepipes (i.e. something wrong with the equipment) it is usually a result of the magazines. the fact that you are having problems with more than one magazine would suggest either they both have an identical problem (not terribly likely) or it is a problem with the gun/shooter.

the ammo question is important because if some ammo works fine and others don't, it may be a power factor with the new gun and a result of the recoil assembly still not being fully broken in. if you have a chance to let another experienced shooter give it a try that will also be able to rule out shooter error and you can focus you attention on what's going on with the mechanical aspect.

Yes I have 2 mags and the nosedive was on the 2nd rnd of both mags and a couple of times on the 3rd. But it is intermittent

I have only shot the Fed. 115gr and the Magtech 115gr and 124gr fmj

Yes the rnds are fully seated, I learned to tap the back of the mag on my palm just to be sure

No I have been the only one to fire the weapon, this afternoon i'll have a buddy go through a few mags to see if it is repeatable.

It is a definate nose dive. I also locked the slide back disassembled a mag inserted the mag unassembled and them slide the mag follower in by hand just attached to the spring. There is a definete tight spot as the follower passed over the mag release

[JBarbaresi]

Yes I have 2 mags and the nosedive was on the 2nd rnd of both mags and a couple of times on the 3rd. But it is intermittent

I have only shot the Fed. 115gr and the Magtech 115gr and 124gr fmj

Yes the rnds are fully seated, I learned to tap the back of the mag on my palm just to be sure

No I have been the only one to fire the weapon, this afternoon i'll have a buddy go through a few mags to see if it is repeatable.

It is a definate nose dive. I also locked the slide back disassembled a mag inserted the mag unassembled and them slide the mag follower in by hand just attached to the spring. There is a definete tight spot as the follower passed over the mag release

how many total rounds through the gun at this point? do you notice more nosedives with the federal or magtech or is it about equal?

i didn't realize there is a known issue with the mag release contacting the follower, that's good to know. if that's the problem is there a fix?

[Scoundrel]

i didn't realize there is a known issue with the mag release contacting the follower, that's good to know. if that's the problem is there a fix?

Kahr says it's a myth. You can make your own judgment on it. Here's the post which talks about it (in reference to a CW45, but same issue):
http://kahrtalk.com/showpost.php?p=15667&postcount=2
(scroll down a bit to where it says "Magazine latch window (OEM follower on the left, modified on the right):")

[hoghunter]

SteelToes,
Like scoundrel said, Kahr has told me repeatedly that the follower catching the mag release is completely false (3 different Kahr folks told me this and laughed out loud about it). BUT, sanding the followers seems to solve 99% of all issues. I sanded the followers and it did not solve my issues. You can read all about my issues in my posts so I woun't bore you with it. As it turned out, kahr cut my recoil spring shorter and my issues went away. I have a hard time believing it but I won't question the result. I also used Mil-comm TW25B lube/grease when I got it back from Kahr but that was it. I did not sand the followers. Take a look at my recent thread and you can see the pic I took of my recoil spring.

[nmkahrshooter]

Welcome from New Mexico and you bought a great gun!