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[Rainman48314]

"I'm still wondering if the new 1911 was detail stripped, cleaned and oiled before going to the range. Cleaning the factory gunk of any new weapon is necessary.

Then there is a break in period of a few hundred rounds to wear in any tight fitted 1911. If you want the pistol to perform flawlessly out of the box, buy a GI model. They are loosely fitted and will work with a handful of dirt in the action.

Ask yourself before you buy, (A) do I want the pistol so shoot out of the box or (B) do I want a pistol that will shoot a one inch group at 25 yds ?
If your answer in B , you must have the patience to do the proper break in, keep it clean and oiled. Don't worry about any little problems until after 400 rounds. Give the pistol a chance to correct it's self, then worry about any problems. Most tightly fitted pistols are CNC machined to very close tolerances and I don't want anyone filing on mine and destroying the accuracy. JMHO http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif"

We want it all , don't we? I often do. The fewer guns you own, the more frustrating a problem with one becomes. We had a poster who'd just bought a Kahr CM9 for CC, he had a mag problem and his ONE mag went back to the mothership. Talk about frustration. I bought a PM9 and was impatient during the break-in. Last week I bought a 4" 1911. It has issues to work through. I am much more patient since I have a reliable HK P7 or Sig P238 to carry. Hell, if its cold enough, I can carry my M&P 9 with the OWB holster. God bless Winter coats.

So, do you want it "out of the box" or willing to jump some hoops?
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P.S. This is a response( inside the quotation marks) from a Forum Admin to a guy with a problem 1911. Not me though.

[Longitude Zero]

I am willing to endure a short "putting it thru its paces" period, not to exceed 500 rounds.

[Husky44]

I guess I'm spoiled, and want both worlds. Relatively new to the handgun scene, and my XDm40 rocked right out of the box; only issue at all in the first 1500 rounds or so has been one failure to feed, and that was after a long day at the range, where it's highly likely that I limp-wristed it.

So, when I got my CW40, I was a little frustrated; but it seems to have worked it's way through it's issues, so I'm happy now. I expected to have it operate fine straight out of the box, but you guys warned me!

[Rainman48314]

I want it, and I want it now. My luck has been spotty. My first nightmare was a Sig P238. It went back to Sig and they replaced it. The second sample went back and was fixed in one trip. It is now one of my favorite guns. Extremely accurate and easy to handle and shoot. I love the ergonomics.

My best experiences have been with the Ruger SR9c and LC9. Perfect out of the box. The LC9 is flawed by a too long trigger pull.

Had good experiences with a 22 Beretta Neos, a GSG 22LR 1911, a used Kimber Rimfire Target .17 Mach 2, a used HK P30, another used HK, my EDC P7 (perfection), and the most recent purchase, my used Sig 1911 RCS .45 is yet to be determined. Shot it 75 rounds of FMJ, the mags fail to feed the 7th round consistently, and the grip safety is non-functional. Back to Gander Mtn who needs a push to send it to Sig. I believe this will turn out to be a real winner.

Last, and certainly not least, the PM9 was a lot of work, but mostly worth it. If it were a shorter & lighter trigger, it might be in my carry lineup. The PM9 exposes any fundamental flaw in your breathing, trigger control and grip. To get the same results as my better guns, I need to shoot it almosrt exclusively. It is still difficult to clear on the rare occasion it jams (mostly nose dives with select FMJ ammo). Its 100% good with Gold Dots. I can rack it and lock it open only with a mag inserted. Its a demanding mistress.

I'm having fun and even if it takes weeks upon weeks to get my 1911RCS running right, Im OK with that for once.

[Markis82]

"Everything will work if you let it." ~ Travis W. Redfish (Meatloaf) from the movie "Roadie"

[tv_racin_fan]

I want it and I want it now... BUT I have been married for long enough to know I do not get what I want when I want it.

Even the revolvers I have bought lately needed a bit of tweeking to suit me. The checkering on the hammer was far to agressive for me and the grip screw stuck out a bit far and was rough. Nothing I couldn't handle with a bit of stone work. The trigger needed a bit of tuning so a Wolff spring kit was ordered. But even at that I coulda loaded them and carried them out of the store with little concern.

[ripley16]

I disagree with the whole concept as expressed. If a gun needs any form of break in or TLC to shoot good groups then the gun is flawed from the design up. I say this because I'm a HK fanboy and their guns perform out of the box. No break in, no fitting, no polishing, ... just feed it ammo and pull the trigger. HK knows accuracy too. They not only build rugged and reliable guns, but they wrote the book on match accuracy in a military sidearm.

If you want a gun that will deliver from shot one to shot 30,000 without having to baby it or make it's part "mate", then cut to the chase... then buy a HK, enjoy your shooting, and quit worrying about your delicate 1911.;)

[Bawanna]

I was good with the whole post right up until the delicate 1911 part.

I guess to get even I'd have to say HK's are clunky, I wanted one when they first came out, almost ordered on line sight unseen but felt I needed to hold one. I think it was the USP Compact. Finally saw one at a gunshow and picked it up. 1.8 seconds and I knew I didn't have no love for it.
Rock solid, no doubt as reliable as they come but clunky, huge big levers, just not as refined as my delicate 1911.

Please know I'm just poking fun but speaking the truth. Theres a place for an HK in my man cave, just not top of my favorites list.

[O'Dell]

I'm not the patient type. I want the gun to be accurate and I also want it to work right out of the box with a proper cleaning and lubing. I have had five Kahr's in five years and have never had a break in issue or any issue at all. I can say the same for all my S&W's, SIG's, HK's, Springfields, Rugers, and my 45 carbine. The only pistols that have had any issue at all in the last few years are the recently bought Kimber UC II and the STI Escort. Both are 3" 1911's, and both had a problem of not quite going into battery. Neither was a break in problem - the Kimber required better mags and the STI required a stronger recoil spring. STI fixed theirs but Kimber would not, and I had to buy new mags.

Bawanna, yes, full size HK USP's look clunky, but for me, they are very ergonomic. They are also one of the most reliable pistols on the planet. My USP 40 is too large for me to carry, but with 15 rounds and NS's, it makes an excellent HD weapon. The USP 45 compact and the HK45C are smaller and don't look as clunky and carry very well. [not quite as well as my CW40 though] I wear mine quite often.

[ripley16]

I was good with the whole post right up until the delicate 1911 part.


;)
I spent a minute staring at the screen, thinking of an appropriate adjective before I landed on the word delicate. Seemed to fit the "girly-man" image I have of the typical 1911 as seen on the internet, especially when compared to the manly and tough looking typical HK. Perhaps if I needed a two pound trigger to hit something, or had to have snakeskin grips or a place to rest my tired thumbs...perhaps then I's appreciate the 1911 more. :D

Of course I've said all this in jest, but dag-gone, it feels pretty good to say it.:p

[Bawanna]

Old John Moses Browning is turning in his grave like a pig on a barbecue spit. Such talk of a 100 year old get er done working tool.

I better go buy me one of them HK's so I know what the heck I'm talking about.

[O'Dell]

Remember, Bawanna, I have four 1911's and the SIG and SA Loaded FS have run perfectly. Only the two 3 inchers needed a bit of work and they're fine now. I like 1911's!

[Ubaldo99]

Tucson: Girly or not that is one beautiful firearm.
Rainman & TVracin: Wait til you've been married as long as I have; then, you wont want it anymore. Time has a way of healing all desires.

[Popeye]

With these eyes I'm not getting one inch groups at 25 yds with any pistol know matter who's name is one it, so I guess I'll stick with my RIA GI 45. when it comes to 1911's, as it does go bang everytime. and it will put a hurtin on anything the size of a human at 15+ yds. :D Never actually bought any pistol that did not have SD in mind over everything else. To be honest though the pistol I shoot the best is a CZ 75B 9mm.:eek:

[Bawanna]

I looked pretty hard at a Rock today at the gun show. A stainless one, it was calling my name and whining like a puppy at the pound. It acted like it loved me and wanted to come home with me but I had to play tough love and leave it. Maybe I'll bring it home next month.
Nothing wrong with a Rock, hold your had up. They get r dun just fine and dandy.

I think I'm suffering from gotta have a new gun fever or something, they are all starting to look good to me, well within limitations, mans' gotta have standards however low they might be.

[Popeye]

I looked pretty hard at a Rock today at the gun show. A stainless one, it was calling my name and whining like a puppy at the pound. It acted like it loved me and wanted to come home with me but I had to play tough love and leave it. Maybe I'll bring it home next month.
Nothing wrong with a Rock, hold your had up. They get r dun just fine and dandy.

I think I'm suffering from gotta have a new gun fever or something, they are all starting to look good to me, well within limitations, mans' gotta have standards however low they might be.

Darned right Bawanna The Rock certainly will get r done. I bought the GI45 simply because when I was in the military I used to carry a 1911 45 on watch. Always wanted to own one and the Rock seemed to be as close as I was going to get to the original without spending a furtune. It's not my most accurate pistol and it makes you work for everything your going to get out of it,with the miliary sights, but the darned thing is a blast to shoot, and other than a little burr on the inner part of the slide lock that I removed it has never missed a beat shooting reloads, WWB's FMJ or Hornaday or Remington Golden Saber Hollowpoints. I CC it once in a while when weather permits and have no fear at all that if asked to do it's job when I need it the most it will. Also do not worry if it gets a scratch on it as it just gives it character.;)

[Rainman48314]

Thank you, sir! After the Bawanna Super Thin grips on my Dan Wesson CBOB, those are my favorite flashy grips. :)

With Ed Brown ignition parts (sear, hammer, etc.) and a Briley spherical bushing (http://www.briley.com/1911autosphericaloversizedanddrop-inbushingsandrings.aspx), it is a lot of fun to shoot. Makes me look good.

Oh, and, that particular pistol has never missed a beat from day one, despite my messing with it. :D

I really, really want the Classic CBOB. Since they are out of production, what is the best place to look?

[Rainman48314]

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/253563000/253563223/pix619209263.jpg

I'm not sure it is the best place to look, but GunBroker dot com often has a listing or two. Bargains are tough to find. You might just use "bobtail" as a key word for your search and see what comes up in addition to the Dan Wessons. The picture above is stolen from the only classic listing I see today (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=253563223). It has reached $995 without passing the reserve. That's way more than they used to cost but certainly less than the high teens commanded by the current Valor series that replaced the CBOB.

Best of luck to you and be sure to watch any local boards too. I bought mine locally from a gentleman in Tucson who listed it on ArizonaShooting dot com. It was the runt of his litter of Les Baer and Wilson 1911's. :rolleyes:

He let me shoot some of his other pistols at the Pima Pistol Club one day. The experience did not reduce my enthusiasm for my new to me CBOB in any way. :DBeen wondering if I can get my Sig 1911 RCS "Bobed". Is it just a change of MSH, and a matching grip?I realize there is more to a Dan Wesson than the shape, but my Sig is my poor mans CBob .

[Rainman48314]

... that smaller grip means that you already have most of the advantages of a bobtail's size. All that is lacking is the rounded shape and there is another possible solution for the shape issue.

Wilson Combat offers a less radically reshaped MSH for compact frames that does not require moving the retaining pin. It does require grinding some metal off that lower rear corner of the pistol's frame. They call it a "Mainspring Housing, Flat, Compact, Round Butt (http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Mainspring-Housings/products/69/)". Wilson makes both blued and stainless versions, as listed at that underlined link.

http://shopwilsoncombat.com/images/92brbo.jpg

The result of using the "round butt" MSH is not quite as graceful, but it aims to provide the same advantages of a full sized bobtail in terms of reduced printing while carrying. I'm sure the Wilson folks (or another qualified gunsmith) would be delighted to install one for you. As with the bobtail process, matching the original finish of your pistol may be a challenge.

:rolleyes:I've already heard that Nitron finish work is ver expensive. Better get a new gun..yeah, that's it, get a new gun. Problem solved.

[Bawanna]

I did the bobtail on my Para Ordnance and it turned out real good. A little nerve racking taking a hack saw to my brand new gun but I was tickled with the results. Guess it could easily have been a heartbreak if I screwed it up, got lucky I guess.

One big bonus to stainless is you don't have the refinish issues.

Like Tucson said the compact grips can't be bobtailed, at least in the conventional way like the full size.

The Cbob is an awesome gun, I wish I'd got mine when I first discovered them. As soon as the Vbob came about the prices on the Cbobs shot through the roof. You could easily get one for 8 or 9 hundred before, now mid teens is a steal.

[JFootin]

You know, S&W has a beautiful round butt 1911:
Blued Frame and Slide (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_785108_-1_770151_757752_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y)
Stainless Steel Slide (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_785116_-1_770151_757752_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y)

Lots of custom features. A really nice package.

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/SWE-SeriesDetails.jpg

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/SW1911SCE-SeriesRight3.jpg

[Bawanna]

And Ed Brown has the Kobra Carry if you live on the right side of the tracks.

[Rainman48314]

I like everything about the Smith except the fish scales serations.

[JFootin]

I like everything about the Smith except the fish scales serations.

I think they're beautiful, striking, different, placed front and back of the slide and they help gripping the slide to rack it.

[Rainman48314]

Ed Brown's Executive Carry's look appeals to me. Minimum necessary. No fish scales.