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TheTman
10-05-2011, 03:17 PM
I got this email from NationalGunRights.org warning about the dangers of the National Reciprocity Act. I see the NRA is downplaying the fact that the predictions to follow are nonsense, but the NRA has let me down before.

"Last week I told you some well-meaning, but in my opinion very misguided pro-gunners are working to pass a bill that could turn into a Trojan Horse for more gun control.

I was talking about H.R. 822, the so-called “National Reciprocity Act,” which could open the flood gates of gun control.

I’m calling it the National CCW Registration Act.
While the idea that all states should recognize a concealed weapons permit is sound public policy, the use of the anti-gun federal bureaucracy to implement it is simply foolish.

Can I count on you to take action RIGHT NOW? Rep. Lamar Smith is the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee that will hear H.R. 822, the National CCW Registration Act.

I need you to call House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith and make clear that you want to keep the government’s hands off your permit and that you are opposed to federal intrusion into the concealed weapons permit process.

Once the federal government is in the business of setting the standards for concealed carry permits, it’s only a matter of time before they start using that power to restrict our rights.

Now you may hear arguments that this bill doesn’t do that, and maybe that’s true... for now.
Even worse, once this bill starts moving, anyone can amend the bill with anything... and no legislation can bind a future Congress in any way.

That doesn’t count what Obamacrats in the Department of Justice might dream up as the “regulations” to carry out the legislative “intent.”
Gun owners have enough trouble with Republican-run Executive branches implementing the law improperly. Does anyone really think the Obama Administration is going to treat gun owners fairly?

I know many of you are frustrated that you can carry in some states but not others -- I’m frustrated, too.
I carry concealed every day, everywhere I go, and have worked to expand the ability of citizens to carry in dozens of states.
I believe I should be able to carry concealed -- without a permit -- in all 50 states. That’s what “bear arms” means. Believe me, that’s a long-term policy goal for the National Association for Gun Rights.

But mark my words, H.R. 822, the National CCW Registration Act, will become nothing more than a Trojan Horse for even more federal gun control.

I understand that many who support this bill sincerely just want their right to carry respected -- but cannot due to the fact that their state or another won’t do the right thing.
But the devil is truly in the details... and the details are where H.R. 822 gets sticky.

This bill isn’t just about the right to carry for self defense -- it’s a battle over the role of government and the ability to restrict our Second Amendment rights.
Once gun owners let the Obamacrats start mandating whether states recognize permit reciprocity, they will want to mandate what it takes to get and keep those permits.

We’re talking about:
More onerous standards to acquire a permit, so that only FBI agents can pass muster (look at New York’s permit system);
Higher fees;
More training requirements;
A demonstration of “Need” for a permit;
More frequent renewal periods;
Federally-mandated waiting periods;
A national database of all permit holders, accessible by Attorney General Eric Holder;
An extensive, federally-created list of Criminal Safezones, where only criminals will carry and where law-abiding gun owners are vulnerable;
The list of potential problems is endless.
I need you to call House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith at (202)225-4236 and make clear that you want to keep the government’s hands off your permit and that you oppose federal intrusion into the concealed weapons permit process.
I haven’t even mentioned that this legislation would shred the Constitutional Carry provisions that are on the books in Arizona, Alaska, Vermont and Wyoming.

It doesn’t stop with just concealed carry. They’ll co-opt the bill to expand the national Brady Registration Check system to block military veterans with PTSD or individuals with misdemeanor convictions from even OWNING firearms -- much less use them for self defense.

I don’t believe the intentions of the bill sponsors are intrinsically bad -- they’re just naive and misguided.
Many statists in Washington will co-opt H.R. 822 as part of their grab for more federal power and less individual liberty.
Even now, the statists in Congress are trying to adopt a National ID card, complete with biometric data that they’ve forced the states to conform to their mandated drivers license “standards.” The National Association for Gun Rights has been part of a group of liberty-minded organizations which have passed state legislation forbidding cooperation with a National ID card.

While many in the institutional gun control lobby will tell you this is a step forward for CCW permit holders, make no mistake, the National CCW Registration Act is a misguided attempt to protect our rights. It’s like asking the fox to guard the hen house.

They will use this bill as the foundation to create a federal database of CCW permit holders. And then they can link it everywhere the Feds have database connections -- state police, doctors and insurance companies under Obamacare, and Medicaid/Medicare.

I’m sorry, but I refuse to entrust my liberty and privacy to a “trust us, they won’t do that” approach to dealing with Obama, the gun-grabbers or frankly most politicians of either party in Washington.
I need you to make some noise, right now!

Here’s what you can do to help
I need you to call House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith at (202)225-4236 and make clear that you want to keep the government’s hands off your permit and you are opposed to federal intrusion into the concealed weapons permit process.

It’s imperative that we stop H.R. 822 -- the National CCW Registration Act -- before it gathers steam and support.

Liberal Republicans and so-called “conservative” Democrats are looking for an easy “pro-gun” vote to give them cover before the next election.
A Trojan Horse gun control bill like H.R. 822 is exactly the kind of legislation that will get support on both sides of the aisle in Washington, D.C. And remember, the Democrat-controlled Senate has to pass it before it gets to Obama... so this bill will only get worse.

That’s why you and I have to make noise, now!
Please call House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith at (202)225-4236 and relay the message that gun owners oppose H.R. 822, the Trojan Horse gun control bill. Make clear that you want to keep the federal government’s hands off the state-run CCW permit system.
Thank you for joining me in this important fight against the National CCW Registration Act.
For Freedom,

Dudley Brown
Executive Director

P.S. Please call House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith at (202)225-4236 and make clear that you want to keep the government’s hands off your permit. Tell him you oppose federal intrusion into the concealed weapons permit process."

So what do you think? Is this guy just blowing hot air, or does he have a point.

Thunder71
10-05-2011, 03:34 PM
Cliff notes?

Bawanna
10-05-2011, 03:35 PM
I think he has many good points and while I would love to see national right to carry in some form I don't think this is the way.
Some of the reasonable states like he mentions will lose ground while some of the horrible states like California may improve but only slightly.

It's kind of scarey when you think about it.

O'Dell
10-05-2011, 04:07 PM
I agree. Keep it in the hand of the states and as far away from the federal government as possible. The feds never do anything right at least by my standards, and scary isn't nearly a strong enough word.

jocko
10-05-2011, 04:39 PM
it wold be nice if just all statres that issue ccw permits honored the other startes who also allow ccw permits. screw the feds, then we would not need them.

Question: How many actuAly believe thae ERIC HOLDER didn't know jack sh-t about FAst and fuious???? UNTIL a few eeks ago....

TheTman
10-05-2011, 05:29 PM
I believe in Santa, and the Easter Bunny, and that Eric Holder just found out about Fast and Furious a couple weeks ago.

jocko
10-05-2011, 05:37 PM
I kow Eric Holder is a fokking liar but please do not tellme there is no Santa or Easter Bunny. There is a tooth fairy to, I know she is not to damn smart though, as I stick my yorkies little teeth under my pillow and still get a few bucks. My maile yhorkies is called Alex, but I just call him gums for short!! But that little horny batard should work in a donut shop, as a GLAZER.

OldLincoln
10-05-2011, 09:18 PM
I was originally in favor of the bill, but now oppose it. OH NO! I was for it before I was agin it! It's true. If you take the premise of the law and lay out how it would be universally implemented by all states it get's unsettling.

tv_racin_fan
10-05-2011, 10:32 PM
IF the feds would pass a law saying that the individual states could set the parameters of their permit issuance but all states had to reciprocate I would have no problem.

The issue is that wont ever happen. More likely what would happen is some sort of NATIONAL standard would be set and the individual states could have stiffer regulations.

Currently in my state all I need do is apply and pass the background check and the permit is issued. South Carolina will not reciprocate because they demand that any state they reciprocate with have at least their standard, I believe one must take a class and possibly pass some proficiency test.

Now a class and proficiency test doesn't sound so bad BUT when the instructor must be approved by the state and the classes can cost some $200 or more that gets to be a bit much to me.

I am of the opinion that anyone on the street should be allowed to keep and bear arms. If someone is so dangerous they can not be allowed to keep and bear arms then they have no business being allowed on the street. Simply because the govt can not prevent anyone from getting a firearm and doing what they will with them.

muggsy
11-11-2011, 07:22 PM
As far as I'm concerned we already have national reciprocity. It's called the 2nd amendment. Since when is it necessary to obtain a permit to exercise a God given constitutionally guaranteed right. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. We should take this issue before the Supreme Court and have our rights returned to we the people.

Rainman48314
11-14-2011, 09:21 PM
This guy makes a lot of slippery slope type arguments. Over the years, I have tended to ignore those, preferring to fight actual battles as the need arises and leave the imaginary ones to those who live in that sort of world.
Maybe I have a bit more trust in the Repuplican members of the house who support 2A and this Bill.

I would like to see some uniformity across the 50 States. This is pretty hard to do short term without Federal "direction". I prefer to leave the Feds out of it.

I am not opposed to some training requirement. I am not opposed to a brief waiting period. I waited 92 days from Application to issue. If that were cut in half, I'm happy. All States ought to be "shall issue". States like AZ, AK, VT and others, with Constitutional Carry should not move backwards.

Finally, no way in HELL should a list of permit holders be trusted to the FEDS.