On second thought

[teammazza]

I was going to sell my p380, but now i found out they are replacing the frames on some that were from a bad batch. The serial number on mine is RB3XXX. I called Kahr and they were very polite and are sending me a pre-paid shipping label. I asked him if there was a recall, he just told me we are some were having problems with some 380s. I love this gun but it has gone from bad to worse with all the problems that have been mentioned in other threads. FTE, FTF, stovepipes, failure to lock back, and magazines getting stuck. I hope when I get it back it will work fine. My CW9 still works great.

[dewoah]

I am curious - how many rounds have you put through your gun? I have a RB3xxx also and am concerned. I have only put 50-60 rounds through it and have had no problems - so far. I purchased it used so there no way to know if there were problems before or how many total rounds have been fired. If there is a bad batch of frames and mine is in the serial number range, my gun is not marketable.

[Whaleman]

I am getting worried also. My P380 was back once but no new frame. I have RB27xx. While it has been perfect for the last 500 rounds I keep waiting for the problems to start.

[kahrlover123]

U have to put at least 200 rounds to confirm the issue. After 200 rounds and the same problems exit, it's a POS.

[OldLincoln]

The frame makers make a number of frames before moving to another size/project. They probably don't make enough in a batch to cover all serial numbers in a series. Further, Kahr may mix the new with the old and so the series of serial numbers can be bad, good, good, bad,bad, etc.

The issue was the frame company didn't mix some poly to specs resulting in the frame problem allowing the frame to twist causing light primer hits. Kahr needs to have the gun to determine if it is one of a good batch or the bad.

It's unlikely the bad ones spread very far in production dates. I do wish they had a serial number range or an identifier on the frame so owners could identify theirs as good or bad, but evidently they don't.

If you shoot a lot of rounds before the gun cools down and do not have the light striker issue, you most likely have a good frame and no need to be concerned further.

[teammazza]

Ive shot about 500 rds through my .380 and it seems to be getting progressively worse. My p380 is my Obama gun the longer I have it the worse it seems to get. So after I get it back with a new frame I will let everyone know.

[JFootin]

"Obama gun, the longer I have it the worse it seems to get." I like that! LOL!

[jocko]

The frame makers make a number of frames before moving to another size/project. They probably don't make enough in a batch to cover all serial numbers in a series. Further, Kahr may mix the new with the old and so the series of serial numbers can be bad, good, good, bad,bad, etc.

The issue was the frame company didn't mix some poly to specs resulting in the frame problem allowing the frame to twist causing light primer hits. Kahr needs to have the gun to determine if it is one of a good batch or the bad.

It's unlikely the bad ones spread very far in production dates. I do wish they had a serial number range or an identifier on the frame so owners could identify theirs as good or bad, but evidently they don't.

If you shoot a lot of rounds before the gun cools down and do not have the light striker issue, you most likely have a good frame and no need to be concerned further.

u saying that some one inside of kahr told you about this bad batch stuff and there fore bad frames???? I find that hard to believe that kahr even if that is true would let out this information. They are just IMO sending a message to all P380 owners that "maybe I got a bad frame" to and I want a new one..

We are still seeing faulty P380 even with new frames being replaced, so for me anyways I am not buying that as a fix

[JFootin]

Looks like the Tupperware frame is the problem. Time for an aluminum or alloy framed 380. A little heavier, but might make for a real dependable gun. NAA and Seecamp do it that way - no Tupperware.

[dewoah]

The Kimber SOLO is aluminum also.

[OldLincoln]

u saying that some one inside of kahr told you about this bad batch stuff and there fore bad frames???? I find that hard to believe that kahr even if that is true would let out this information. They are just IMO sending a message to all P380 owners that "maybe I got a bad frame" to and I want a new one..

We are still seeing faulty P380 even with new frames being replaced, so for me anyways I am not buying that as a fix
What I am saying is Kahr told another member about the bad mix of poly and that when the frame heats up during shooting it can flex and cause the lite strikes.

The manufacturing info is common sense from the manufacturing industry. They cannot simply dedicate an expensive machine to a single product unless the demand calls for a 24/7 run. If the same company makes most/all of Kahr's poly frames they would likely rotate runs of a certain number in batches.

If Kahr tracked each batch separately and pulled them from stock FIFO recording which batch corresponds with what serial numbers, I am confident they would do a limited recall simply because I think they have a high degree of integrity. Besides, if Kahr were to knowingly sell a defective self defense gun and not readily exchange defective parts they should be held liable. Personally I would extend that to actively recall the suspected batch if they know it is bad.

They have replaced several frames for the P380. Are they doing that for the other models? If the frames are not bad why replace them? If cast properly as required to assemble, what makes them bad but incorrect mix, affecting stability.

But no, no person at Kahr has told me directly about the problem. If I am wrong I have gravely erred and I would very much like for Kahr to contact me for a retraction which would be forthcoming and contain their explanation.

Jocko, sometimes you speak of a contact at Kahr. How about you run this issue down and let us know.

[jocko]

I have and he has never admitted to that, that was my question. not trying to argue with you, but some of this lower section replacement has been on guns that have been back 2 or 3 times and my thoughts are kahr has exhausted all fixes for that gun but the lower and it has failed so lets try a new lower and see what happens. We have seen new frames replaced and still giving issues. I hope it is a fix. Same polmer mix for all kahr frames and we have not seen this in any other polymer kahr that I know of. How do I know that my frame #125 one of the first out is not a bad frame, kahr is not talking or letting anyone know of a serial
# sequence where this could be showing up and I think for reasons of a moass sending back of frames that are perfectr and working Ok but yet my frame falls within that sequence of "so called" bad frames, so I want a new one. It would get totally out of hand IMO. I will admit that they have had a holdup of fixing the P380 and maybe due to a new frame being made , but I just doubt if Kahr or anyone inside is going to admit to that either for reasons stated above. My source certainly wn't and he is not a hired janitor either.. This frame heating up stuff sounds very fishy to me. kmany mahy P380 owners have experience light strkes from the git go, with none of this I shot 100+ rounds and it started to ack up etc.. I always thought that extra screew they put in the side cover was to even help keep that blow out cover tighter against the fame which as u know also keeps the trigger bar in correct position and unable to move outward. evidently that fix if that was a fix didn't do much for it.

[JFootin]

Of course, I mean Kahr doing it; a K or MK380.