Full Mag Plus One ?

[joe d]

Just curious...When you carry,do you rack one into the chamber,remove the mag and reload the mag to full capacity? ( i.e. 6 round mag =6 plus 1 )...I'm asking this because I do this,but I heard someone say that this puts extra pressure on the mag catch and on the follower as well...Is this true, as I do this with all of my autos...

[jocko]

absolutely, what Tucson stated is "gospel"

[yqtszhj]

Yep. Every time.

[Bill K]

Yes. Don't think that any of the folks that won't/don't carry with one in the pipe take a round out of the mag, just doesn't make sense. There would be something in the owners manual to warn against the practice if the practice were a bad one.

[Ol'coot]

yes, always

[rholmes69]

ditto

[OldLincoln]

Yes and don't fret about safety as long as you carry in a holster that protects the trigger from inadvertent movement. One case was a different brand and the leather holster was old and very soft. He leaned over on something and in the process pulled the trigger. So a solid holster (I recommend Silent Thunder) and you're okay. Also don't fret over a dropped Kahr as the striker is not fully cocked and blocked by a mechanical device. Even if that failed, by not being fully cocked, it won't fire.

The only case I heard of was in a training today when a guy carrying a different brand at the range was walking to look at his target with his finger on the trigger. He tripped and in falling put his hand out and jammed the trigger down while pointed at his head. Really bad ending, so keep the finger outside until ready to shoot.

[ripley16]

Me too. I carry X+1. I think I load differently than most though. I chamber the round from a mag that has only one round, then I load a full mag. This way I see the round gone from the first mag and know it is loaded in the pistol. No doubt.

[joe d]

I chamber the round from a mag that has only one round, then I load a full mag.

Likewise here...

[Ikeo74]

Just make sure the chambered round comes from a mag when chambering.
I guess everyone here reading this post knows it is not recommended to load one in the chamber by dropping it into the ejection port. As the opperators manual states, the ejector could be damaged by dropping one in to load.

[Popeye]

Yes every time. Never believed that a full mag would hurt the spring or the gun. Even if the spring was to loose tension after a period of time, it's a small price to pay and easy enough to replace for having that extra round.

[cgo99]

Yep. Every time.
Same here.

[LordJ]

Full mag plus one in the pipe. Is there any other way? :cheer2:

[mikedmd]

Yup here too... with a 6 round mag, one more round topped off after chambering means 15% more ammo.


Mike

[sierrajb]

I, too, keep the pipe loaded with 6 other brothers in the magazine...waiting. Not sure why someone would NEED to load the first bullet in the chamber, THEN load six more in the magazine. I simply load the magazine to the max (6), stick in the PM9, press the slide release to load the first bullet, eject the magazine that now has only 5 bullets, then load the 7th bullet in the magazine, return the magazine to the PM9.

If for some weird reason the first bullet did not chamber, I would be unable to put the 7th bullet in the magazine. Either way if fine, though. So long as you have one in the pipe and 6 in the magazine while carrying.

[Bawanna]

I usually do but not always, not too concerned about capacity but I shoot 45's since shooting twice is just silly.


This ought to liven things up for the afternoon, I'm not even putting on my fire suit, haven't been burned in a long time and I look forward to it.

[les strat]

Always. With such a small capacity, better safe than sorry.

[TheTman]

Everytime. With only a 6 round mag, I want that extra shot available.

[Richardh]

I have not carried my Kahr yet but on my Glocks I "top off" the mag. That is how we were taught at the police academy.

[rclAlaric]

Yes, always 6+1.

[Rubb]

I usually do but not always, not too concerned about capacity but I shoot 45's since shooting twice is just silly.


This ought to liven things up for the afternoon, I'm not even putting on my fire suit, haven't been burned in a long time and I look forward to it.

As we age we tend to get slower and heavier…it doesn’t mean our ammo has to :boink:...:D

[Bawanna]

As we age we tend to get slower and heavier…it doesn’t mean our ammo has to :boink:...:D

Touche Rubb. I'll stick with the big fat slow ones, they make me feels good.

[Rubb]

Touche Rubb. I'll stick with the big fat slow ones, they make me feels good.

HEY!! I resemble that remark :D

Seriously though…I could care less what people carry….Just carry and do it +1 ;)

[popgoestheweasel]

has the question been asked......how long would YOU store a full mag?

[jocko]

unjtil I decide to shoot it out. u not gonna weaken that mag spring..

[DriveMyKahr]

unjtil I decide to shoot it out. u not gonna weaken that mag spring..

Ditto. I keep all (4) of my PM-9 mags topped-off at all times and rotate them for range use. Never had an issue with a weak spring.

As for +1 in the chamber... is there any other way? Well, I guess there is, but what is the point?

[Rainman48314]

Yes and don't fret about safety as long as you carry in a holster that protects the trigger from inadvertent movement. One case was a different brand and the leather holster was old and very soft. He leaned over on something and in the process pulled the trigger. So a solid holster (I recommend Silent Thunder) and you're okay. Also don't fret over a dropped Kahr as the striker is not fully cocked and blocked by a mechanical device. Even if that failed, by not being fully cocked, it won't fire.

The only case I heard of was in a training today when a guy carrying a different brand at the range was walking to look at his target with his finger on the trigger. He tripped and in falling put his hand out and jammed the trigger down while pointed at his head. Really bad ending, so keep the finger outside until ready to shoot.At what range can you walk out to your target carrying a closed and loaded weapon? I thought ranges required you to leave the weapon locked open at the shooting station when the range goes cold. I don't have any personal experience since my range(s) have motorized target retreival.

[Rainman48314]

Just curious...When you carry,do you rack one into the chamber,remove the mag and reload the mag to full capacity? ( i.e. 6 round mag =6 plus 1 )...I'm asking this because I do this,but I heard someone say that this puts extra pressure on the mag catch and on the follower as well...Is this true, as I do this with all of my autos...
Yes, whether in an M&P 9 with a capacity of 17 or in a Kahr (7+1) or small Sig (6 or 7+1)

[Bawanna]

At what range can you walk out to your target carrying a closed and loaded weapon? I thought ranges required you to leave the weapon locked open at the shooting station when the range goes cold. I don't have any personal experience since my range(s) have motorized target retreival.

Had to be a pit or a private shooting spot. No range would allow carrying the weapon out to check or change targets.

One range I used to go to doesn't even allow holstered guns. It's primarily a rifle range and I carried anyway. Don't go there anymore.

[ripley16]

has the question been asked......how long would YOU store a full mag?

As a rule of thumb, never leave your mag loaded longer than fifty years.

;)

[popgoestheweasel]

and i was starting to 'buy into' a belief held by a buddy who feels mags should be unloaded periodically....and i'm not talkin 50 years. he does it weekly, if not daily fearing a weakened spring. you don't suppose he gets a chubby out of fiddling/fondling ammunition??? interesting, he's a big Kimber man as it's pretty much all he owns.

[Thunder71]

Ahh, so that's what people mean when they post +1

Always wondered what that meant. Just a little code letting you know they carry with a full mag "+1" in the chamber.

I get it now.


Side note:
Do you raise your car off the springs once a week? Nah, me either... Your vehicle rides on springs its whole life, rarely do they need replacing.

[jocko]

good point thunder, u better stop this sh-t though..

[JFootin]

Side note:
Do you raise your car off the springs once a week? Nah, me either... Your vehicle rides on springs its whole life, rarely do they need replacing.

Actually, they do sag and could use replacing on older cars. And they take a set. Have you ever seen an old car that has been driven 150,000 miles by a 350 lb man, and it sits lower on the driver's side, even when he isn't in it? I have!

But, I agree that we should not be paranoid about keeping mags loaded. And if, years down the road, the springs need replacing, its not much expense.

[Thunder71]

That's why I said 'rarely'... typically springs will outlast the vehicle, or at least be acceptable. There are always special circumstances that change this, as you described - then again, vehicle springs are expanded/contracted far more than our magazine springs.

Sorry Jocko... I'll stop now. :lie:

[MikeG]

I read a story once where someone had found an old loaded 1911 in their father's desk after he passed away, in a sealed envelope labeled or postmarked 1946. They took it out and unloaded it at the range with no problems some fifty years later. True or not I never thought twice about leaving a mag loaded again.

[Bawanna]

I read a story once where someone had found an old loaded 1911 in their father's desk after he passed away, in a sealed envelope labeled or postmarked 1946. They took it out and unloaded it at the range with no problems some fifty years later. True or not I never thought twice about leaving a mag loaded again.

My GI 1942 1911 which I affectionately refer to as my duffel bag gun did just that as well. The man that bestowed this gem on me removed it fully loaded with an empty chamber from his duffel bag in my presence. Hadn't removed it since he was discharged in 45 as I recall, it might have been 44 or 46 but right in there. He started to unload it and I asked him not too just for this purpose. No idea why he never took them out. He had no other guns and wasn't a gun type guy. Nice for sure just guns' weren't his thing. All his uniform stuff and equipment was still in the bag too. Untouched.
It obviously had been dry and everything about the mag, gun and ammo looked ok. I took it to the range untouched since 44-46 and it discharged all rounds without a blip. Ran fine.
Out of the same duffel bag came a M1 Carbine in it's original canvass case with 1 mag in the gun and 2 in corresponding pockets in the case. It looked untouched and uncarried and still does. I have not fired it and I did unload the magazines on that one.
He explained how he was so terribly worried trying to take these guns home and heard they checked bags, but if they found one they would quit looking. So he put a junker that he found, theirs I believe, not ours right on top. They opened the bag, said you can't take that and quit looking.
I've been lucky a few times, that's for sure. 2 beautiful collector guns from a man I never met before on the first visit.

[Bawanna]

Added note- until this incident with the Duffel bag gun I regularly cycled my auto magazines every 30 days. I always had 6 magazines for each gun and I would carry 3 loaded while the other 3 rested empty. I was borderline paranoid about this practice.

After this episode that practice came to an immediate screeching halt.

Better springs, better metal, better technology, I'm not worried in the least little bit.

[Thunder71]

I need to find one of those guys.

[MikeyKahr]

A few more than one.

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[Bawanna]

Since my youth it was inbred in me to be kind to old people, all people but especially old people. I always seemed to get along with the elderly more than my own age group which seems to justify the common belief that I was born a 100 years too late.

It's paid off more than once. I don't feel guilty in the slightest for the nice things they have given me without asking or coercion as opposed to the vulture type who flock around the dieing waiting for what they feel they so strongly deserve even though they seldom really do.

Now that I'm just over the line into the old people category I have a hard time getting along with myself.

[getsome]

I'm starting to look and feel like Jeff Dunham the ventriloquists character "Walter" and it's scary...I love Walter and if you have never seen Jeff Dunham's act Google him as it's really funny stuff...Jeff will say something to Walter like "Are you having a nice day? Walter will answer He!! no...Jeff will then ask Walter have you ever had a nice day?...Walter answers yes why, Jeff asks well how did that make you feel...Walter says Pi$$ed me off...:p....I am becoming Walters twin brother...:w00t:

[Bawanna]

Dunham tears me up, old Walter and Peppy and the blown up terrorist.

Makes your sides hurt he does. Good analogy on Walter though, I feel the same more and more frequently.

He's also quite fond of saying I don't give a damn.

He's good, real good.

FOCUS, we can't both talk at the same time. Get's me everytime.

[rjt123]

Late to the party here, but...yes, I always top off the mag to full capacity after chambering a round. Why would you carry with fewer rounds than the pistol will hold? Just doesn't make any sense to me.