Cleaning and Lubricating

[MO_Soldier]

Hey guys, I'm new to the forum and just thought I might start up something.
A little background: I'm military, live in Missouri, I CCW a Kahr PM9, and I'm new to handguns. I had very limited knowledge of handguns themselves until I was ready to conceal carry. It took a lot of research before I settled on the best!

So, now that you know a little about my background, you'll understand my question about cleaning and lube. With our old beat up M16, we clean after every firing(I practice this with all of my guns, but ESPECIALLY my PD carry). We had to lube the crap out of those things just to get them to function and not jam. I often find my gun leaking because, no matter how light I seem to oil it, I'm obviously overdoing it.

Where, how much, and what type of cleaners and lubricants do you all use in your Kahrs?

[JFootin]

Look in the Kahr-Tech section at the Kahr Lube Diagram sticky (the diagram is in post #7, I believe). These tight little guns don't need to be bathed in oil. And using grease in some areas is better - it'll stay longer and not drip: the frame rails, and rub some grease into the roof of the slide (area #6, I believe) and on the feed ramp.

[Bawanna]

MO_Soldier, first off thank you for your service. Nice to see another Missouri boy on the forum. I'm no longer there myself since I was drug west in my youth against my will but it is where I'd rather be and I still have a ton of relatives there.

I'm a notorious over oiler myself. I probably over oil just about everything. I think it's better than the alternative not enough.

Jfootin is spot on with using grease in some area's and the mentioned lube chart is very good, not only for Kahrs but any semi far as that goes.

I use TW25 in a syringe, I got mine from Brownells but other places have it as well. It applies real nice, no mess, no fuss and stays put better than oil.

I too clean after every shoot so minimal oil is all that's really needed. I keep telling myself that but I still have an oily gun, but that's OK too.

Glad you found us. I think you'll like it here.

[O'Dell]

Well, this info may be worth exactly what you're paying for it but here goes. BTW, welcome to the forum.

I also have a PM9 and a CW40. I have previously had three other Kahrs over five years. I have never had a failure with any of the five pistols.

Under "Kahr Tech" you will find a sticky labeled Kahr lube chart. About half way down you will find the chart. Lube everything shown with oil. [ I use Militec-1 but there are other good ones] In addition I use a medium application of gun grease on #'s 2, 4, and 10. That's the barrel, rails, and take down pin. My Kahrs do not drip oil, but I'll admit that I run my Kahrs and SIGs pretty wet.

There's also a thread under Kahr Tech called "Proper prep of a new Kahr". Jocko knows of what he speaks, so I would read it and follow his recommendations. Again, welcome to the forum and enjoy your PM9.

[MO_Soldier]

Thanks for everyone's replies!
Actually RIGHT after I posted this I came across the articles you've cited.
I took Jocko's advice and utilized my QTips more using my Hoppe's Elite oil. I also use the Hoppe's Elite cleaner in the pump sprayer. They do a good job, but I'm going to look into that TW25 grease. I think I've seen it mentioned several times in other threads too. Is this the stuff: http://www.nraguncare.com/tw25b/tw25b-lubricating-light-grease
1 hour after following the instructions you guys posted, I have VERY minimal oil seeping. That oil diagram and QTips helped tons!

Jfootin - Nice polish job on your CM9! I like that a lot, which is surprising because my personal preference is matte.

Bawanna - Thank you for your gratitude. Too many people these days take too many things for granted...and I'm not just referring to service members being overlooked.

O'dell - I spent just over $600 on my new Kahr PM9094LE in order to have privy to this forum, so your advice is costly haha

[muggsy]

Thanks for everyone's replies!
Actually RIGHT after I posted this I came across the articles you've cited.
I took Jocko's advice and utilized my QTips more using my Hoppe's Elite oil. I also use the Hoppe's Elite cleaner in the pump sprayer. They do a good job, but I'm going to look into that TW25 grease. I think I've seen it mentioned several times in other threads too. Is this the stuff: http://www.nraguncare.com/tw25b/tw25b-lubricating-light-grease
1 hour after following the instructions you guys posted, I have VERY minimal oil seeping. That oil diagram and QTips helped tons!

Jfootin - Nice polish job on your CM9! I like that a lot, which is surprising because my personal preference is matte.

Bawanna - Thank you for your gratitude. Too many people these days take too many things for granted...and I'm not just referring to service members being overlooked.

O'dell - I spent just over $600 on my new Kahr PM9094LE in order to have privy to this forum, so your advice is costly haha

You can save money buy using any good high temp automotive grease. You'll pay a lot for a syringe full of TW25. All grease and oils come from the same refineries.

[Rainman48314]

Thanks for everyone's replies!
Actually RIGHT after I posted this I came across the articles you've cited.
I took Jocko's advice and utilized my QTips more using my Hoppe's Elite oil. I also use the Hoppe's Elite cleaner in the pump sprayer. They do a good job, but I'm going to look into that TW25 grease. I think I've seen it mentioned several times in other threads too. Is this the stuff: http://www.nraguncare.com/tw25b/tw25b-lubricating-light-grease
1 hour after following the instructions you guys posted, I have VERY minimal oil seeping. That oil diagram and QTips helped tons!

Jfootin - Nice polish job on your CM9! I like that a lot, which is surprising because my personal preference is matte.

Bawanna - Thank you for your gratitude. Too many people these days take too many things for granted...and I'm not just referring to service members being overlooked.

O'dell - I spent just over $600 on my new Kahr PM9094LE in order to have privy to this forum, so your advice is costly hahaWelcome to the Forum. Thank you for serving our country.

You can use Lubriplate #105 Outboard Motor grease on guns. Several well known gunsmiths have recommended it. I use it where metal slides on metal. On firing pins and in their channels, I use Elmers Slide-All. It is a spray that leaves a Teflon residue. I apply it to a patch and rub in as needed.

Most sythetic oil or grease rated to high temps is fine for your gun. These products are much cheaper at ACE or ACO Hardware then they are at gun shops. I just bought the oil and grease combo kit LOCALLY
http://www.super-lube.com/sportsman-kit-model-11520-p-35.html

Spent $12.50 for the two products combined

[nunnya]

Everyone has their favorite lube /cleaner.
Mine is Weaponshield.
You can find the stuff online, it's not cheap, it's the best CLP I've found so far.
You may still be able to get a small trial size bottle for free.
The more I use it the more I like it.

nunnya

[MO_Soldier]

Welcome to the Forum. Thank you for serving our country.

You can use Lubriplate #105 Outboard Motor grease on guns. Several well known gunsmiths have recommended it. I use it where metal slides on metal. On firing pins and in their channels, I use Elmers Slide-All. It is a spray that leaves a Teflon residue. I apply it to a patch and rub in as needed.

Most sythetic oil or grease rated to high temps is fine for your gun. These products are much cheaper at ACE or ACO Hardware then they are at gun shops. I just bought the oil and grease combo kit LOCALLY

Spent $12.50 for the two products combined


Everyone has their favorite lube /cleaner.
Mine is Weaponshield.
You can find the stuff online, it's not cheap, it's the best CLP I've found so far.
You may still be able to get a small trial size bottle for free.
The more I use it the more I like it.

nunnya

Now...I'm all for frugality, like some people have mentioned using cheaper industrial types of grease or lubricants. But I can't ignore performance or reliability either. When it comes down to it, do those industrial lubes work as well and reliably as these expensive gun oils?

My thought is, 'How could they be selling these oils so expensive if there was no difference?'

[Rainman48314]

Now...I'm all for frugality, like some people have mentioned using cheaper industrial types of grease or lubricants. But I can't ignore performance or reliability either. When it comes down to it, do those industrial lubes work as well and reliably as these expensive gun oils?

My thought is, 'How could they be selling these oils so expensive if there was no difference?'Just marketing and raw capitalism at work.

I have seen a 50% price difference of the same product, same packaging etc priced much higher in a gun store. You are paying for convenience and a higher markup than what Ace Hardware uses. Find it at Home Depot or Lowe's, still cheaper, yet the same stuff. If a gunsmith tells me he has used a product for ten years without issue, why spend more?

[muggsy]

Now...I'm all for frugality, like some people have mentioned using cheaper industrial types of grease or lubricants. But I can't ignore performance or reliability either. When it comes down to it, do those industrial lubes work as well and reliably as these expensive gun oils?

My thought is, 'How could they be selling these oils so expensive if there was no difference?'

In a word, hype.

[fastlaners]

Hi; just wondering if it's was ok to mist oil into the inside of the frame and trigger area; on a p380 and others, using Rem-oil spray? thanks John

[OldLincoln]

The oil is cheap, the overhead of labor, building, advertising, distributor markups is expensive. I worked for a few weeks in a friends Foster Freeze and learned the the syrup in a tall $.75 (in 1964) coke was $.04 and that was the store price. The distributor made his money also.

When you buy TW25 gun lube, the .5 oz needle is $10. The 1.5 oz tube is $12 and the 4 oz tube is $24. Granted the needle applicator itself cost more than the empty tube, but it costs $20 per oz. The 4oz tube cost $6 per oz. So would you pay $14 for an empty needle applicator? That's why I say buy 1 needle applicator and a tube of TW25 and refill the applicator when it runs out and refilling is stupid simple to do.

[DJK11]

I use Militec and performed the "bake" procedure three times. Makes a huge difference opposed to just wiping on with out heating.

[aray]

I start with the proper "thanks for your service" as well. My dad was in the service at the tail end of WWII and then stayed in the USAF for most of the Cold War so I grew up in a military environment and understand & appreciate the sacrifice ya'll have made.

Lots of good advice in here and in the links mentioned. The only thing I'll add is for cleaners I like to use the M-Pro 7 cleaner: http://www.mpro7.com/ It cleans my CW9 very well and has the additional benefit of being non-toxic and without odor. So for example my wife lets me clean my gun up in the living room with her watching TV rather than banishing me down to the basement with my other junk. The only problem is that it isn't in a pressurized can like the brake cleaner so instead I just blow out that hole with a little compressed air can easily available at Walmart.

[jocko]

The remington dry spray should be no mess if that is ur desire. I think I would go with Tucson MTB, ut it where needed and not just everywhere BUT it ain't gonna hurt a thing ether..