No .357 Sig, am I missing anything?

[Rainman48314]

Looking for your thoughts

I have .380, 9mm luger, .45 ACP in various guns, but nothing in .357 SIG. Am I missing anything? What are the pros and cons to this caliber. FYI, I have eliminated .40 cal due to its rep for snappiness.

I mostly view any gun as a potential carry piece. I prefer short light triggers in the 4.5 to 6.5# range. Do I need to go shopping?

[Barth]

Looking for your thoughts

I have .380, 9mm luger, .45 ACP in various guns, but nothing in .357 SIG. Am I missing anything? What are the pros and cons to this caliber. FYI, I have eliminated .40 cal due to its rep for snappiness.

I mostly view any gun as a potential carry piece. I prefer short light triggers in the 4.5 to 6.5# range. Do I need to go shopping?

"I have eliminated .40 cal due to its rep for snappiness."
You do understand that 357 Sig is generally hotter than 40?
(We are talking 125 gr at 1350 fps from a 4" barrel)
If you eliminated 40. 357 is a just a necked down 40 to 357.
You just eliminated it too - LOL!

Lots of guns that shoot 40 will convert to 357 with just barrel and mag change.
They are that much alike.

As for shopping, I think you need to go renting first - LOL!
BTW: 357 Sig ammo is generally harder to find and more expensive than 40.

[jeepster09]

I agree.

[Rainman48314]

"I have eliminated .40 cal due to its rep for snappiness."
You do understand that 357 Sig is generally hotter than 40?
(We are talking 125 gr at 1350 fps from a 4" barrel)
If you eliminated 40. 357 is a just a necked down 40 to 357.
You just eliminated it too - LOL!

Lots of guns that shoot 40 will convert to 357 with just barrel and mag change.
They are that much alike.

As for shopping, I think you need to go renting first - LOL!
BTW: 357 Sig ammo is generally harder to find and more expensive than 40. I'm a big believer in rent first, but, you can't rent everything.

It sounds like the 357 SIG would be snappy as well. I've read that its shape leads to greater feeding reliability. True or just splitting hairs?

[Rainman48314]

I agree.
Any specific gun to rent?

[Barth]

I'm a big believer in rent first, but, you can't rent everything.

It sounds like the 357 SIG would be snappy as well. I've read that its shape leads to greater feeding reliability. True or just splitting hairs?

The fact that the cartridge is necked would lead one to believe it has an inherant feeding reliability advantage.
That said, I think the gun is more important than the ammo.
My G27 has never FTF on 40 or 357.

As for snappy, that's subjective and also depends on the gun.
I, and I stress I, feel that the Glock G27 has more recoil in 357 than 40.
But my much heavier Sig Sauer P239/357 has much less felt recoil than the G27 in either caliber.

Note: My Glock is a sub-compact G27/40.
I also purchased Glock Factory G33/357 barrel and mags
to build a convertible gun - Just for fun - LOL!
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo36/75/e7/023e438368d9__1320531336000.jpg

[Barth]

Any specific gun to rent?

If you're dead set on a 357 Sig?
Then it's time to call the mother-ship baby - LOL!

Sig Sauer, in partnership with Federal, developed the 357 Sig cartridge.
And new guns to use it.
(although there is some disagreement that Glock may have beat Sig to market LOL!

All kidding aside,
the P229/P239 was designed for the cartridge and are dreamy to shoot with them.

I've shot both and own a P239.
The P229 is a double stack service gun used by LE and the Feds.
P239 is a single stack compact version for concealed carry.

Rent these guns at your own risk?

BTW: The 357 Sig (really 355) was developed to duplicate legendary 357 Magnum ballistics in a mid sized auto loader.

1350 fps and 125 grains for most all 357 Sig loading's is no mistake!

[TheTman]

The .357 is based on a necked down .40 S&W case, so I suspect recoil would be just as snappy. And .357 magnum performance from an autoloader is a super idea. From Wikipedia:
With a simplistic approach to physics, recoil being directly proportional to "muzzle velocity x bullet mass" (due to conservation of momentum), the recoil of the .357 SIG is equal to or slightly less than that of the .40 S&W, and less than that of the full-power 10 mm Auto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_mm_Auto) loads or the original .357 Magnum.

I think it would be a good caliber to have. The ballistics look very good on it. More ammo makers are putting out rounds in this caliber, though they look a little pricey to me. Some makers allow you to switch back and forth from .40 to 357 sig with a barrel and spring change, so that's nice. One gun shooting two diameter bullets.
It would be nice if Kahr had .357 barrels for the CW/P 40 series

[Barth]

Ok,

After posting I thought I really didn't give the G27 in 357 a chance.
As I only shot it once with the spanking new barrel.
Even though Glock's aren't supposed to need break in.
Seems like everything just works better after some use.
Also we all have good and bad days at the range.
And this Am I happened to squeeze off 100 40s out of the Glock.

So I didn't have any options and it's back to the range!
Plus Josey Wales is on back on again.
And just finished watching The Quick and the Dead!

So plumb mad dog mean I head to the range - LOL!
Seems like I have adjusted to the 357.
Cause it does feel the same as the 40 recoil wise.
Also either me, or the gun, or both have smoothed out.
And my double tap drills were a success - Woo Hoo!

If anything I shot the 357 better than the 40 - go figure...


Added bonus a father was there with his two sons shooting.
The oldes boy stopped me while I was leaving to find out what gun I was shooting.
It sounds soooooo coooool apparently - LOL!



So do I recommend the Glock 33/357?
I reckon so
http://www.gmanreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/The-Outlaw-Josey-Wales-2.jpg

[Barth]

Some makers allow you to switch back and forth from .40 to 357 sig with a barrel and spring change, so that's nice. One gun shooting two diameter bullets.
It would be nice if Kahr had .357 barrels for the CW/P 40 series

Glock doesn't even require a spring change, just the barrel.
Even the 40 mags work with 357 bullets.

There is some controversy over mags.
Apparently the followers are different.
So getting 357 mags is optional (but cheap insurance for SD)

Update:
Actually my Sig Sauer P239/357 will work with a 40 barrel and mags too.
Same springs will work.

[mr surveyor]

I could buy the Sig factory .357 barrel for my P239, or any number of after market barrels, but just don't see the need. The 40 S&W should be plenty as is, and the ammo for the .357 Sig is a bit more expensive anyway. Actually I rarely carry the P239 anymore as the SP101 and CW9 seem to get 99% of the carry time. I used to always take either the Sig or a Kimber when I went hog and/or coyote hunting, but have caught myself more and more just leaving the SP101 on my belt.

Now, if someone were to make me a really good deal on a P239 .357 Sig barrel..........:D

[Rainman48314]

If I try one out, as a rental, I would need a single stack gun or the grip with be too large. Glocks just don't fit my hands.

[Barth]

I could buy the Sig factory .357 barrel for my P239, or any number of after market barrels, but just don't see the need. The 40 S&W should be plenty as is, and the ammo for the .357 Sig is a bit more expensive anyway. Actually I rarely carry the P239 anymore as the SP101 and CW9 seem to get 99% of the carry time. I used to always take either the Sig or a Kimber when I went hog and/or coyote hunting, but have caught myself more and more just leaving the SP101 on my belt.

Now, if someone were to make me a really good deal on a P239 .357 Sig barrel..........:D

LOL, no you can't have my Sig P239/357 barrel!
I already had a P239/357 and a Glock G27/40.
So did I need the G33/357 barrel? Not at all.
Couldn't justify it in any way - and I tried...

I just wanted it - LOL!
And with Factory Glock G33 barrels costing just $150 bucks -
Forget about it.
These days I just get what I want.
Doesn't have to make sense.
When I ask myself permission to do something, I always say yes!
Isn't that nice?

[Barth]

If I try one out, as a rental, I would need a single stack gun or the grip with be too large. Glocks just don't fit my hands.

P239 is single stack.
Perfect for small hands.
Plus, being steel, you can get nice rubber finger groove grips too!

[O'Dell]

P239 is single stack.
Perfect for small hands.
Plus, being steel, you can get nice rubber finger groove grips too!

I thought the P239 had an alloy frame like the other classic SIGs. Am I missing something here?

[Barth]

I thought the P239 had an alloy frame like the other classic SIGs. Am I missing something here?

Yes, you're missing is my point on grip options.
The fame is aluminum alloy. Which, opposed to polymer, allows a greater grip selection.
I used the term steel incorrectly.
Was thinking of it being an all metal gun and typing fast.

I feel like somebodies correcting my spelling or grammar and not listening to the emotional content - LOL!

I'm dyslexic anyway.
So I swap letters, words, numbers ...
I retype and attempt to correct most posts.
A few things slip though the cracks.
I actually noticed steel and thought about going back to correct but moved on...

Should have known my indiscretion would not be tolerated. My Bad

[O'Dell]

Yes, you're missing is my point on grip options.
The fame is aluminum alloy. Which, opposed to polymer, allows a greater grip selection.
I used the term steel incorrectly.
Was thinking of it being an all metal gun and typing fast.

I feel like somebodies correcting my spelling or grammar and not listening to the emotional content - LOL!

I'm dyslexic anyway.
So I swap letters, words, numbers ...
I retype and attempt to correct most posts.
A few things slip though the cracks.
I actually noticed steel and thought about going back to correct but moved on...

Should have known my indiscretion would not be tolerated. My Bad

Sorry, it wasn't meant to be a correction. Since I don't have a P239 [I'd like to though] I thought I might be wrong about the classic SIGs. I apologize for coming across like a jerk.

[mr surveyor]

I think we all suffer from lessdyxia sometimes...both writin and readin:D (I know I sure do)

[Barth]

Sorry, it wasn't meant to be a correction. Since I don't have a P239 [I'd like to though] I thought I might be wrong about the classic SIGs. I apologize for coming across like a jerk.

No problemo,
I'm a bit sensitive anyway - LOL!
You're really not at fault at all.

And you are correct, as far as I know all P239s have allow frames.
Most P220s as well, although there are some all stainless versions.

My P239 even with an allow frame, and single stack compact design,
still weights 30.3 oz empty!
The weight soaks up recoil like a sponge.
But an all steel version would be really heavy for CC IMO.

[Barth]

Yep! That beautiful SIG is more like my notion of what a pistol should look like.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/SigP239SAS.JPG

But, at that weight, the ugly "PEZ dispenser for bullets", Glock 33 would work better for my purposes.

Unfortunately, neither one is likely to happen for me any time soon. :rolleyes:

G27/W 357 barrel and 2x15 round mags (40 Ranger T-Series)
-----Weight-Unloaded/Loaded---Bullets
Sig P239 357--- 30.3/34.0 ---(8/125)
Glock G27/357--19.7/26.7 ---(10/125 357 sig

https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo35/4a/1b/a13521f191a3__1320606725000.jpg

[Barth]

Not quite as utilitarian looking with the silver slide. Thanks for posting! :)

Fail Zero nickel boron self lubricating finish allows gun to run 15,000 rounds without lubrication.
BATTLE ON!

Sounds utilitarian to me - LOL!