Different angle, who bought a CM9 and wished later they went with a PM9?

[sfla99]

Hi all,

So after doing a ton of reading there are so many who say save the $150-200 and get a CM instead of a PM(insert cal), just out of curiosity:

Who initially went with a CM to save a few dollars only to find out 2-3 months later and when after they adjusted to their initial investment, thought they should have just spend the extra few dollars and got the PM instead?

I thought about this concept myself because I have done this a number of times, I find I mentally settle and get the lesser only to be haunted by my initial desires leading me to either wishing I had just got what I originally wanted or selling what I have to purchase the original model.

After putting things into perspective, I myself chose the PM (which will be here next week), but I was temped by the price of the CM, at the end of the day I knew I would want the PM and said screw it, after a few months or a year I wont be too concerned with the extra expense, and felt I would be happier with the additional benefits of the PM series (for me NS's were a key purchase value).

Just thought I would throw it out there ;)

Cheers!

[Thunder71]

Luckily for me the CM9 wasn't available at the time I got my PM9, otherwise I'd be adding my name to this list just because that's how I do things (settle, then sell for a loss, and upgrade to what I originally wanted).

[hoghunter]

I always triple-rethink every purchase I make. After getting past the initial headaches of nosedive problem, I have no regrets on choosing the CM over the PM. Honestly, I wanted a black diamond PM9 but could not afford it plus the break in ammo. Not sure if I would get different/better performance out of the PM versus the CM. Learning to be happy with what I have is a difficult concept for me. You will love the PM and know that you got a top quality firearm.

[JFootin]

This is why I've grown beyond the "Fuggedabowdit! Get a CM9!" mentality and advise people to get what they really want, especially if affording the black PM9 with night sights isn't a problem. But I wouldn't advise getting a 2-tone PM9 with plain sights thinking it must be superior because it costs more. Just MHO.

[Bill K]

Hey, many of us feel that $200.00 is a small price to pay for the extra snob appeal that goes with owning the PM9. :)

[sfla99]

I wouldn't call it snob appeal ;)

It's just one of those things, I mean sure, $150-200 is a lot at the time of purchase, but fast forward 6 months, is it still going to be worth it?

[JimC]

I bought my all black with NS PM9 in July after considering the purchase for awhile.
The CM9 was out but I didn't care for the configuration of the pistol, still don't.
I'm perfectly content with my PM9.

[Ikeo74]

Hey, It's a moot point. Both guns have the same 7 patents and preform as expected. Both will do exactly the same thing with the same dependability. Either one will protect you exactly the same.
Now here is the kicker: Pm9 is the luxary model with the different rifleing and more eye apeal. It will always have a resale value of $200 more than the CM9. Your investment will hold it's value and be returned to you if/when you sell it. Now the CM9 is for us guys that want preformance without all the bells and whistles. We saved $200 and our investment will hold it's value and be returned to us if/when we ever sell it. Its a win/win situation. We both got a great value gun that will always be worth our investment. We both won!:yo::cheer2:

[Popeye]

Don't think it has anything to do with snob appeal. I wanted the best Single Stack 9mm pistol that I could afford being that i was going to use it as my EDC. The CM9 was not being made at the time and even if it was I'm still not sure I'd have bought it because it's not black and they do not have night sights like I wanted and my PM9 already has them. More than likely I'd look at the CM9 today and a few others but still bought the PM9. The gun just drips quality. I have no regrets spending the extra money for a gun of such quality. I have never had one single problem with my PM9. Like I said tough I carry it almost everyday as a SD pistol and it gets treated accordlingly. It gets cleaned and lubed after every visit to the range.

[JohnR]

I completely understand sfla99's thought process. I've thought the exact same thing about the CW45 vs. P45. One thing to factor in is the magazine price - you get two with the PM, one with the CW, and it's $44. EXCEPT that there's a free extended mag offer right now. A CW45 would come with one 6rnd mag and a 7rnd mag if you send in the coupon.

I'm finding a $239 price difference between those two guns at the cheapest places I could find. Worth it? Probably six months down the road, I wouldn't even remember the price. But I'd still probably opt for the CW.

[Bawanna]

I completely understand sfla99's thought process. I've thought the exact same thing about the CW45 vs. P45. One thing to factor in is the magazine price - you get two with the PM, one with the CW, and it's $44. EXCEPT that there's a free extended mag offer right now. A CW45 would come with one 6rnd mag and a 7rnd mag if you send in the coupon.

I'm finding a $239 price difference between those two guns at the cheapest places I could find. Worth it? Probably six months down the road, I wouldn't even remember the price. But I'd still probably opt for the CW.

What! I thought you were zero'd in on a PM45. Focus damn it. Focus!

[Thunder71]

Haven't heard any PM9's owners saying their sights are breaking off... The quality just isn't the same, there is more attention put into the PM9, regardless how similar/identical they may be on the inside. For a carry weapon I value the sight mounts on the PM9 enough to justify the cost alone.

[rkirk]

I am not sorry I bought the CM9! I was so happy with the CW9 that when the CM9 came out I thought wow another great Kahr pistol for carry. My opion about CCW pistols is they spend untold hours in a pocket on a belt and if ever used will shoot 20 feet or less. I shoot both the CW9 and CM9 at the range and in my version of IDPA with several shooting friends. Shoot what you carry, they stand up very well.

-- Richard

[SyckoSmoker]

I saw an article in a magazine about the CM9 and thought I NEED one of those so I started reasearching and reading a lot along with price checks and a lil fondling in the gun shop. After it was all said and done I ended up with a PM9. I liked the extra features on it versus the CM and in recent years I'm trying train myself to buy what I want instead of settling for something less than that. I know I know I'm spoiled but I find it costs me less in the long run to just pony up a lil bit more cash if nessacary.

[JFootin]

I saw an article in a magazine about the CM9 and thought I NEED one of those so I started reasearching and reading a lot along with price checks and a lil fondling in the gun shop. After it was all said and done I ended up with a PM9. I liked the extra features on it versus the CM and in recent years I'm trying train myself to buy what I want instead of settling for something less than that. I know I know I'm spoiled but I find it costs me less in the long run to just pony up a lil bit more cash if nessacary.

Very intelligent thought process, Sycko. Now, if you'd use those brains and think it through, you'd quit smoking, too. :7:

[Bear549]

For me it was a matter of the cost. I typically buy the best version of anything or I do not buy it. However, this was my third gun purchase in 3 months and I just did not have the cash to get the PM9. I purchased the CM9 for $450 out the door. After dealing with the stove pipes until I had 400 rounds though it I was wishing that I had gotten the PM9. However, now that it is broke in and shoots any brand ammo, I have no desire to trade it for a PM9.

In reading posts, it seems that more people have more problems with the CM over the PM so I have to wonder if Kahr gives the PM more attention during manufacturing. Although this could just be that more people purchase CM over PM.

[JohnR]

What! I thought you were zero'd in on a PM45. Focus damn it. Focus!
Actually, Banana, my head is spinning like a dervish between the CW45, PM45, and a Brand X 45. The obvious solution is to buy a winning lotto ticket and purchase all three, but that ain't gonna happen.

The Brand X I'm considering is a skosh bigger and heavier than my K9, has a grip that feels just right to me, doesn't need a break-in period (not that there's anything wrong with that), and is likely the best shooting of the bunch, though I'd have to change my sig line to "man of alloy." It's also the same price as the CW45, but holds one more round and comes with two mags. The CW45 is slimmer and trimmer, which is to its advantage.

But I'd love to have a small discreet .45 to carry to friends and family's homes (for the journey to and from, clearly, not while there) without the awkward questions about that odd bulge in my hip.

So yes, I lack focus.

[JFootin]

In reading posts, it seems that more people have more problems with the CM over the PM so I have to wonder if Kahr gives the PM more attention during manufacturing. Although this could just be that more people purchase CM over PM.

It's not a difference in the quality or dependability of the guns, but there are a WHOLE LOT more CM9s being purchased than PM9s right now. That's all.

[Russ]

Hi all,

So after doing a ton of reading there are so many who say save the $150-200 and get a CM instead of a PM(insert cal), just out of curiosity:

Who initially went with a CM to save a few dollars only to find out 2-3 months later and when after they adjusted to their initial investment, thought they should have just spend the extra few dollars and got the PM instead?

I thought about this concept myself because I have done this a number of times, I find I mentally settle and get the lesser only to be haunted by my initial desires leading me to either wishing I had just got what I originally wanted or selling what I have to purchase the original model.

After putting things into perspective, I myself chose the PM (which will be here next week), but I was temped by the price of the CM, at the end of the day I knew I would want the PM and said screw it, after a few months or a year I wont be too concerned with the extra expense, and felt I would be happier with the additional benefits of the PM series (for me NS's were a key purchase value).

Just thought I would throw it out there ;)

Cheers!

If I had it over I would have purchased the PM9. I had two after market night sights break Kahr installed on my cm9. The pm9 in my opinion has a better more sure front sight (dove tail) design.

[OldLincoln]

It's not for me to say but that's never stopped me before...

If I had your choices I would narow it down to "If I could only buy one for all carry occasions what would it be?" If I were answering that, I would start with the toughest requirement and that is concealability to your friends and family visits. OK, Rank them by conceivability. Then, which is better shooting, and is that a preference matter that can change with practice. Rank by long term shootability. Then rank by other criterion. For me that would be PM45 for concealability and 1911 for shootability. However, I've learned to shoot the PM9 as well as my 1911 so no doubt the same for the PM45. The PM is smaller than the CW so it would end up being the PM45.

Well, except for the little matter that the PM45 is not legal in CA. So I would get the P45 which is legal and if necessary cut the grip down to PM45 size.

[SyckoSmoker]

Very intelligent thought process, Sycko. Now, if you'd use those brains and think it through, you'd quit smoking, too. :7:LOl yeah you're right its a bad habit and definately not in my best interest.:(

[nunnya]

I've always been fond of the PM9 but the price of the CM9 along with
the free magazine made it irresistible.
Now that I'm sold on Kahr there's a CW45 in my near future.
The money I saved gets me 1/2 the way there!

nunnya

[Bawanna]

Johnr and Old Lincoln, a P45 just came up in the sales area. A black one with mepros. Looks pretty nice. I don't think a P would be hard to hide and since CA don't allow the PM it might be a good option.

Don't you fellas go to fighting over it though. I'm all about peace and abhor violence.

[OldLincoln]

I looked at it and my wife said I can have it, just not now. Well, she said she would buy me one if she had the money. Somehow it sounds better to me when I say that to her! That is a real fine gun and I like the sights too. I doubt he would take that on lay away to be picked up Christmas next (2012 that is - if we're still here).

[Avenger]

I've haven't even had my CM9 for a week yet, so take you can discount it however you want to.

I was initially looking at a Glock 26 for concealed carry but ultimately decided that it was larger than I wanted to try and carry right now. In looking at options, I came across the PM9/CM9, and even briefly considered the CW9.

I just felt that for me that, while the PM9 was a good value, the CM9 was a great value and I went with it.

I just wanted a quality firearm that I could count on to perform and I think that I got that with the CM9.

[JFootin]

LOl yeah you're right its a bad habit and definately not in my best interest.:(

Well, 3 heart attacks did it for me! :eek: Now, I'm taking low dose aspirin, blood pressure meds and whorfing down fish oil horse caps 3 times a day to make it behave. When your mind is really made up, it's not hard to quit. Mind over matter. Ommm..... :rolleyes:

[Thunder71]

there are a WHOLE LOT more CM9s being purchased than PM9s right now. That's all.

Has Kahr released their sales statistics? Would love to see this info if you have a link.

[JFootin]

Has Kahr released their sales statistics? Would love to see this info if you have a link.

No. Just kind of obvious, isn't it? :)

[MO_Soldier]

No. Just kind of obvious, isn't it? :)

Sorry...but did you mean "...kind of biased..."? haha j/k :cool:

[Joe L]

I have thought about it, especially since I have a PM40. I put night sights on my CM9 and have fiddled with it and like it, but I am one who will eventually get a PM9 just to match the PM40. Until then, I'm happy with the purchase, I have the least expensive really good carry 9mm available. Just not as pretty as the PM.
Joe

[muggsy]

The only thing that I didn't like about the CM9 was the poly front sight. Fortunately that problem is easily resolved with a $30 steel front night sight from Kahr. I didn't need a polygonal match target barrel in a defensive carry handgun and the MIM slide release works just fine. For the extra 250 I got a nice holster and some spare mags. I'm perfectly happy with the butt ugly magazine that sticks out of the grip, because I seldom look at it while shooting. I consider a gun a tool. I doubt that I'll ever win a beauty contest, either. :)

[kahrlover123]

To me, it's very obvious that I chose PM9 over CM9 because of the following reasons:
1) It's a better gun (functionality, look, quality)
2) More important reason, if you depends your life on a pistol, you might as well forget about the "couple hundred bucks" difference (not that I'm super rich or anything).

The only reason I would see one taking the CM9 is "he/she absolutely cannot afford the price difference."

[SyckoSmoker]

Well, 3 heart attacks did it for me! :eek: Now, I'm taking low dose aspirin, blood pressure meds and whorfing down fish oil horse caps 3 times a day to make it behave. When your mind is really made up, it's not hard to quit. Mind over matter. Ommm..... :rolleyes:
WOW! My employer is self insured and they have been riding the smokers hard to quit or else they are going to slam us on premiums. They offer free meds and support classes to quit and give a break on premiums if you are a non smoker soo.... I'm going to be taking them up on some free help to quit.BTW I shot a couple of mags off the back porch right quick this morning. Liking my PM9 more with every shot!

[sfla99]

BTW I shot a couple of mags off the back porch right quick this morning. Liking my PM9 more with every shot!

Now that sounds like a party! If I tried that where I live I have a feeling I would have the law at my house real quick lol :86:

[flach]

Bought the CM9 as I liked the feel of the gun, and considered the PM9, but the CM9 went home with me, and the $200.00 + savings is going towards the P99c I'm picking up this week. I understand the virtues of the PM9 vs. the CM9, but I see the CM9 as more of a down and dirty fighting gun and not in need of the additional bells & whistles. JMHO.

[JimC]

The only reason I would see one taking the CM9 is "he/she absolutely cannot afford the price difference."

And that is the main reason why many choose the CM9 over the PM9.

I'll stick with my PM9 thank you. ;)

[O'Dell]

I already had the PM9 when the CM came out, so I was spared the decision. When the CM45 makes it's appearance I will probable spring for one to replace the stolen PM45 for hot weather. However, the cooler weather has arrived, and I can wear a jacket or at least a long sleeved shirt, which means I can cover a belt holster and carry a lot more of my pistols. Lately I have been growing more and more fond of the little CS45. It's small but not a pocket pistol, it shoots very well, it holds one more round, I can get all three fingers on the grip with the mag extension, it's DA/SA, and I prefer a 45.

BTW, I took a new photo of my collection, which I hope will be stable for a while. The CS45 in on the right of the second row.

[OldLincoln]

Hey O'Dell.... you expectin trouble cousin?

[O'Dell]

Hey O'Dell.... you expectin trouble cousin?

Not any more! :D

[JohnR]

"O'Dell, what are you afraid of?"

"Not a damn thing!" :D

Please stop talking about a CM45, that'll probably come out after the K45 and I can't wait that long. :(

[el_chupo_]

I recently bought the CM9. Purchased due to a stolen LCP. I can fairly accurately say that I would buy it again, over the PM9.

Functionally? Wheres the difference?

If we are talking sights - I am not real big on night sights, but that could be a reason to choose the PM. I certainly understand this as an issue for others, and a reason to upgrade. Not an issue for me.

Match grade barrel/polygonal rifling - its a SD gun. If I wanted a match gun, we are talking a real difference, but a PM/CM size gun would not make that list. I have one of those already, and its not a subcompact... I didnt buy this for more than 10 yards, and if the difference in a hit vs a miss is the barrel, I didnt do my part with training and practice. So not an issue for me.

Stamping and slide edges on the gun. I like the looks of the PM more. I also like the black a lot better. If we are talking the difference between pot metal slide vs SS slide, we have a reason... Beyond that, I am not a mall ninja, and I dont need a cool looking gun. No functional upgrade, no big deal for me.

Extra mag - not an issue with the promo. But it could/would sway me if I were close on the two. I wasnt that close, so no problems there.

I have passed twice on a chance to buy a PM9 for a "deal", once at $529, once at $549. At these times I was carrying the LCP, but was considering the move to the PM9/LC9/Sig 290. I was barely aware of the CM9, other than knowing they had released a "cheap PM9, until it was time to buy. I did my research, discovered the differences, and decided what worked for me. I ended up with the CM9 at a price of $449 (PM9 was not available at the time for those prices. In fact, no PM9 in stock at all, to even cause a debate for me).
IF the black version was available at the same time, for a $100 difference in price, I would have bought the PM9, just based on color, and the ability to take home the extra mag at that time.

No, money wasnt the issue. I have other options for carry, even with the LCP gone. This was a luxury purchase, with 100% support from the better half, including an option for the Springfield EMP. I didnt buy for any reason other than meeting my needs/desires, and the CM9 did so.

[O'Dell]

Welcome - sit down and grab a cup of coffee. Glad to have you and you PM here.

BTW, I had three Kahrs stolen and am down to a CW40 and PM9. It happens to the best of us.

[MO_Soldier]

Welcome - sit down and grab a cup of coffee. Glad to have you and you PM here.

BTW, I had three Kahrs stolen and am down to a CW40 and PM9. It happens to the best of us.

How do you get so many guns stolen??

[O'Dell]

How do you get so many guns stolen??

I had two burglaries, one in August of 2010 with five guns stolen and another in February of this year and lost ten. Only two were ever recovered. They caught the guys, but the guns were long gone. My house has been considerably harden since and I have an 800 pound safe now. This is a gated community with security, but that didn't help. I've lived here for eight years and the only problems were four break-ins over a six month period, [two mine and two my next door neighbor] but none since the two jerks were jailed.

[claycooper]

I have no regrets over purchasing the CM9, has been great minus the one issue of the mags not dropping well. I can't see how the PM9 is worth the money...

[Allen]

"O'Dell, what are you afraid of?"

"Not a damn thing!" :D

Please stop talking about a CM45, that'll probably come out after the K45 and I can't wait that long. :(

Kind of like a story I read on an e-mail sent to me. True story from Kansas highway patrol officer. He had stopped an elderly lady on a s.e. Kansas highway and noticed she had a concealed carry permit. Asked her if she had a weapon with her and she stated she had a .45 automatic in the glove box. After asking if she had any other weapons she said she had a 9mm Glock in the center console. Decided to ask if that was all, and she stated she had a .38 special in her purse. He then asked what she was afraid of and she stated "Not a damn thing".

Would like to have seen his expression about this time.