Finally a P380 that works

[JodyH]

Ruger LCP 380 that is.
$250 cheaper than my piece of crap Kahr P380, and no annoying malfunctions or worthless warranty "repairs".
Kahr had three chances to make my P380 into something other than a paperweight and they failed every single time.
So far the LCP has gone 150 fmj and 50 Gold Dot jhp without even a hint of a problem. The Kahr never went 2 magazines without a major malfunction.
Now if I can just get something out of my $expensive$ P380 disaster, i'll cut my losses and give Kahr the old "good bye and good riddance".

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[Bawanna]

I'm happy that your happy with your LCP. Seems like a good answer.

As we've mentioned before we really and honestly try to help each other in lots of different areas, mostly guns but sometimes all things.
Bearing that in mind I tried to help you and contacted a reliable source and authority at Kahr who shall remain nameless. Get out the bamboo, work the nails, I don't care, I ain't talking. My sole purpose was what is wrong with you people, this guy ain't happy. Fix it.

Here's what I found out. Feel free to correct any discrepancies if there are any. My source I don't believe speaks with forked tongue.

Here's the history of your POS 380.

1. In December of 2009 Kahr received it. Trigger would not reset. They determined the frame was cracked and replaced it. Functioned fine.

2. In September of 2011, (just under two years later) Kahr received it with a complaint of light strikes. They cured the light strike and automatically upgraded the frame to a newer version although not needed.

That's the end of the trail in official Kahr records. No 3rd trip, no third frame. No contacts or RMA #'s pending.

I'm sorry things just aren't working out for ya, I really and truly am.
I will not let this thread just dwell on negativity.
As has been said several times lately we'll ride with open honest criticism. Just plain bashing and mud slinging ain't gonna fly.

Again my purpose was to try and help you. I think Kahr made a good effort, maybe not satisfactory but they aren't done trying if you'd give them a chance. I don't blame you for giving up but you gave up not them.
End of story.

[Bill K]

For the past year or so most of the folks I know, except here at KahrTalk, have been getting the S&W Body Guard .380. Most, but not all, have been issue free.

[JodyH]

Purchased new, trigger reset failure.
Returned with new frame, malfunction issues.
Placed in safe for a few months.
Returned to Kahr before warranty expired and frame replaced yet again.
Returned with more malfunction issues than when it was sent.
That's three different frames and none if them function.
Requested Kahr replace it with a PM9.
Jay Dandrea forwarded that request to Doug Williams on Oct. 26.
I've received zero response from Mr. Williams despite 3 additional emails requesting he contact me.
Zero response.
None...
I wish Kahr was as communicative with me as they are with you.

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[JodyH]

No contacts or RMA #'s pending.
I'll be more than happy to forward my emails and Jay Dandrea's responses from October 26, October 29 and November 3 to anyone at Kahr who wishes to see them.

The PM I sent you referenced the lack of communication from Mr. Williams, did you pass along that info to your Kahr contact?

Why hasn't Kahr contacted me (the unsatisfied customer) about my complaints after you requested more info? They were more than willing to discuss my guns warranty history with you, but nobody thought to contact me as a follow-up?

:confused:

[JodyH]

no third frame.

I think Kahr made a good effort, maybe not satisfactory but they aren't done trying if you'd give them a chance. I don't blame you for giving up but you gave up not them.
End of story.
Bought new Ser.#RA2152 Frame #1
Replaced with #RA4339 Frame #2
Replaced with #RC5238 Frame #3
My math says that's THREE frames.

$650 for a P380 w/night sights
I paid shipping to Kahr the first return $50
2 x $35 transfer fees
Conservative estimate of 500 rounds of ammo wasted at 0.38 per round, $190.
I'm already $950 into this and that doesn't include holsters and spare mags purchased.
Exactly how much money should I shovel into this hole before I "give up?"

When you add in that I was told "we shot it enough to verify function and you won't even have to break it in" and it was OBVIOUS they didn't shoot more than a few rounds through it (I own 5 Kahrs and know the wear patterns that develop after even 20 rounds, and the P380 exhibited none of those wear patterns until after I shot 20-30 rounds through it).

Keep in mind Kahr also has my $750 T9 in for a "out of spec" slide replacement.
They've had it since late September and have no ETA of when I'll get it back.

Color me frustrated with Kahrs customer service...

[JodyH]

Received a very pleasant call from Mr. Williams today.
Kahr is working to resolve my issues.

[Bawanna]

Received a very pleasant call from Mr. Williams today.
Kahr is working to resolve my issues.

Good deal JodyH. This has a whole lot better sound to it already.

I really want a happy ending to this saga. I really do.

[kahrlover123]

JodyH,

U own 5 Kahrs? Same here. U seem to be a loyal Kahr customer. They should take care of you (even at their loss).

[Bawanna]

JodyH,

U own 5 Kahrs? Same here. U seem to be a loyal Kahr customer. They should take care of you (even at their loss).

They should and they will, weather you own one or ten. You can take that to the bank and draw interest on it.

[JodyH]

JodyH,

U own 5 Kahrs? Same here. U seem to be a loyal Kahr customer. They should take care of you (even at their loss).
T9, K9, CW9, PM9 and P380.
I've previously owned a MK9.

[KahrOwner]

Hi Jody,

I have been going over my own P380 recently since it was returned from its own trip to Kahr repairs with nearly as many issues as it had to start with (despite them also changing the frame and several other key parts :rolleyes: ).

In any case I am now finding stuff that is making me cringe as an engineer - rough edges, poorly machined slide grooves, cutter swirl marks on critical surfaces etc, etc.... my list is growing.

Even the magazines appear to have serious design issues and when they are fully loaded they allow the top rounds to nose around (making nose dives into the feed ramp possible).

Looking at a fully loaded magazine from my SIG (for example) the rounds lie tightly and side by side - nose dives like this are impossible.

I never really wanted to learn gun smithing this way but the more that I learn about the subject the less surprised I am that this Kahr P380 pistol has so many problems - it is badly made and badly designed pure and simple.

But mainly I see the results of some cheap and abbreviated manufacturing.

I'm still trying to see if I can get my P380 past 50 shots without a failure. It has become a little hobby (only) for me now since I have basically written it off as ever being useful for its original purpose as a concealed carry weapon.

Enjoy your LCP!

Bob

[JodyH]

I went to the range for one last try before it goes back to Kahr for one more attempt at making it work.
Out of 100 rounds I had 5 failures to feed/failure to fully chamber.
The slide never locked back on empty.
If a magazine was loaded to 6 rounds I would get a nosedive malfunction nearly every time I tried to load from slide lock.
The striker has a bad habit of not retracting from the breech face requiring me to push it in with my finger.

[KahrOwner]

If a magazine was loaded to 6 rounds I would get a nosedive malfunction nearly every time I tried to load from slide lock.


Hi Jody - check out what I am saying about those P380 magazines. When they are full the tips of the top few rounds are free to wiggle around.

No wonder we are getting nose dives - it amazes me that they get into the chamber at all.

I didn't really notice this until I compared it to a full SIG magazine.

IMO, this can NEVER be reliable without redesigning everything. Getting a P380 round to load from a full mag requires it to bounce the tip hard off the feed ramp and then hopefully it ends up in the chamber.

That it works at all is amazing but that is certainly NOT how John Browning intended these things to happen.

No wonder we need stronger recoil springs!

Bob

[kahrlover123]

T9, K9, CW9, PM9 and P380.
I've previously owned a MK9.

Nice, I own a MK9, PM9, K9, CW45, and CW40.
I'm not sure why you got rid of your MK9 but to me, it's the best shooter in my five :)
My carrying piece is PM9