Purchasing a used Kahr

[Allen]

After reading so many Posts where unhappy Kahr owners with new guns that Kahr couldn't/wouldn't/didn't make them operate satisfactory ended up selling them after just a few hundred rounds, how is it possible to purchase a used gun not knowing if it's on the market due to problems?

Kind of like purchasing a fairly new used car and hoping you're not buying someone elses headaches.

[pur4]

if the price is right i say buy it. if you purchase a kahr with headaches ship to kahr and let them fix it. Kahr states that warranty is only to the orginial owner but if you call them telling them your problem they will fix just don't tell them that you bought it used if they don't ask. a friend of mine bought a used pm45 and there was some issues with it and they just told him to ship it in without asking if he was the orginial owner. Come to a private FFL dealer and ask them to ship the gun. The fee will be alot less than ups or fedex charge. You can skip the hassle if you make your transaction local then you can ask them if you can test fire the gun before purchase.

[Popeye]

I'd say if the :blah: scares you that much and you believe every negative thing you read on the net please for your own piece of mind don't buy one. Why torture yourself over such things and buy a gun that everyone likes. Good Luck with that. It sounds to me like all you want to do with this post is b!t(h about things, He said, She said, that you do not know about first hand. I bought my PM9 as a slightly used pistol that someone did not like for some reason. They were even to lazy to fill out the paper work and return it to Kahr. Great deal for me as I got a PM9 with night sightes that was not even broken in yet at a very attractive price.
Oh by the way it's been flawless.
:D

[ripley16]

... how is it possible to purchase a used gun not knowing if it's on the market due to problems?



* Ask to shoot the gun if possible.
* Examine the gun for obvious flaws or problems, excessive wear.
* Function test by; cycling the slide, cycle snap caps, drop the mags, check the striker using the simple pencil test, does an empty mag hold the slide open, how does the trigger feel.
* Plan on replacing the recoil spring.

Most of my guns are used, including most of my Kahrs. All but one was a perfectly fine and functioning gun. At the right price a used Kahr can be quite a bargain.

[muggsy]

if the price is right i say buy it. if you purchase a kahr with headaches ship to kahr and let them fix it. Kahr states that warranty is only to the orginial owner but if you call them telling them your problem they will fix just don't tell them that you bought it used if they don't ask. a friend of mine bought a used pm45 and there was some issues with it and they just told him to ship it in without asking if he was the orginial owner. Come to a private FFL dealer and ask them to ship the gun. The fee will be alot less than ups or fedex charge. You can skip the hassle if you make your transaction local then you can ask them if you can test fire the gun before purchase.

You just advised the poster to do something that is unethical. What makes you think that his moral standards are as low as yours?

[Russ]

if the price is right i say buy it. if you purchase a kahr with headaches ship to kahr and let them fix it. Kahr states that warranty is only to the orginial owner but if you call them telling them your problem they will fix just don't tell them that you bought it used if they don't ask. a friend of mine bought a used pm45 and there was some issues with it and they just told him to ship it in without asking if he was the orginial owner. Come to a private FFL dealer and ask them to ship the gun. The fee will be alot less than ups or fedex charge. You can skip the hassle if you make your transaction local then you can ask them if you can test fire the gun before purchase.

I am not so sure you could get away with warranty work as a second owner if the original owner had already had warranty work done. In my case Kahr had a complete history of my gun just by accessing the serial number.

There is a reason why you can purchase a Kahr used with just a few hundred rounds. If you love the gun I would check to see if they still have the warranty card. If not I don't think it is worth buying a used Kahr. The hourly shop rate and postage for one trip will offset what you will save.

I sent my CM9 back three times. The postage alone costs about $100 to Kahr. The labor cost I am guessing for the three repairs would have cost me $150 -$200.

Add it up and my $399 Kahr would have set Mr back another $250 -$300 had I not had a warranty. The only way I would have came out ok used of I would have bought used for around $100. Not going to happen. New OS your best net in my opinion. Russ

[JimC]

Kind of like purchasing a fairly new used car and hoping you're not buying someone elses headaches.

Therein lies the answer to your question.

You buy used anything from a stranger, you take your chances that the seller is an honest person. End of story.

Caveat Emptor. ;)

[Rainman48314]

if the price is right i say buy it. if you purchase a kahr with headaches ship to kahr and let them fix it. Kahr states that warranty is only to the orginial owner but if you call them telling them your problem they will fix just don't tell them that you bought it used if they don't ask. a friend of mine bought a used pm45 and there was some issues with it and they just told him to ship it in without asking if he was the orginial owner. Come to a private FFL dealer and ask them to ship the gun. The fee will be alot less than ups or fedex charge. You can skip the hassle if you make your transaction local then you can ask them if you can test fire the gun before purchase.Your plan has a flaw. If the original owner has sent it in once, then there are records. The second owner's name and address won't match up. A gun without a warranty can get expensive. Gunsmithing labor is from $50 to $65 / hour. Overnight shipping is about $60 each way.

[OldLincoln]

I don't know about the rules or warranties, just know that Kahr has been very good about repairing second owner guns. Not all rules are enforced the same as you know from traffic law enforcement. Ever see a bicycle run a stop sign?

[Bawanna]

There you have it. Honesty will usually get you far. Kahr is good about taking care of issues regardless of age and history. I've posted testimony to this fact before and nothing has changed.

You may have to cover shipping if the warranty is over or non existent but Kahr will take care of it and that's only fair for both of you. Just cause Kahr has more money than me doesn't mean they should send me some even though that would be a mighty nice gesture on their part.

Actually that's a fine idea. Everybody that has more money than me (most qualify) send me some.

Crap, I'm starting to sound like a democrat.

[muggsy]

There you have it. Honesty will usually get you far. Kahr is good about taking care of issues regardless of age and history. I've posted testimony to this fact before and nothing has changed.

You may have to cover shipping if the warranty is over or non existent but Kahr will take care of it and that's only fair for both of you. Just cause Kahr has more money than me doesn't mean they should send me some even though that would be a mighty nice gesture on their part.

Actually that's a fine idea. Everybody that has more money than me (most qualify) send me some.

Crap, I'm starting to sound like a democrat.

I'm usually good for a five, Bawanna. :)

[Bawanna]

I'm usually good for a five, Bawanna. :)

Well I got 7 cash money on me, I better send you 1 and then we'll both have 6. Course then I got the 50 cents to send a check probably plus a check charge so if I allow for that I'd be down to 5 too.
Somehow we didn't gain much with my plan.????:confused:

[nksmfamjp]

If you buy from Bud's, they have some kind of warranty on all guns they sell. I was told I would get my money back if an issue arrose within the first 30 days. Call them for real details as there is no info on their site. Also, you have a couple of days to return it if you decide the pics weren't accurate enough, therre was a scratch, etc. Again, call them for details.

[Allen]

I'd say if the :blah: scares you that much and you believe every negative thing you read on the net please for your own piece of mind don't buy one. Why torture yourself over such things and buy a gun that everyone likes. Good Luck with that. It sounds to me like all you want to do with this post is b!t(h about things, He said, She said, that you do not know about first hand. I bought my PM9 as a slightly used pistol that someone did not like for some reason. They were even to lazy to fill out the paper work and return it to Kahr. Great deal for me as I got a PM9 with night sightes that was not even broken in yet at a very attractive price.
Oh by the way it's been flawless.
:D

Seemed like a reasonable question for someone trying to purchase their first Kahr. Sorry I bothered you with such a trivial question, I'll try to not do it again.

[Bawanna]

Seemed like a reasonable question for someone trying to purchase their first Kahr. Sorry I bothered you with such a trivial question, I'll try to not do it again.

I think popeye came on a little strong there Allen, not like him normally.

I would not approach buying a used Kahr any differently than any other used gun. If it looks good and not abused looking and seems to rack properly your probably ok.

Regardless of warranty there's lots of help right here and if need be the folks at Kahr will straighten it out.

We surely don't look down on trivial or what some call stupid questions. What's old news for some is ground breaking for others.

What Kahrs are on your list for consideration?

[rogerthedodger]

I have purchased many used guns, have yet to get a bad one. Lots of people sell guns for other reason than there is something wrong with it. Same as used cars, just know what you are buying, inspect carefully.

[wm36]

Seemed like a reasonable question for someone trying to purchase their first Kahr. Sorry I bothered you with such a trivial question, I'll try to not do it again.

Agree with Bawanna. There are lots of very smart, helpful people here. If you have any problems, they will help you figure it out. It's probably helpful if you like to tinker a bit, or at least aren't intimidated by field stripping a gun and basic cleaning/maintanence.

You're right, it is like buying a used car. Or anything else used. You can't be 100% sure of its history. But disassembling and tweaking on a Kahr is a lot easier than rebuilding a transmission. :D

[Narkcop]

Buy an all steel Kahr, especially if buying used.

[Allen]

I think popeye came on a little strong there Allen, not like him normally.

I would not approach buying a used Kahr any differently than any other used gun. If it looks good and not abused looking and seems to rack properly your probably ok.

Regardless of warranty there's lots of help right here and if need be the folks at Kahr will straighten it out.

We surely don't look down on trivial or what some call stupid questions. What's old news for some is ground breaking for others.

What Kahrs are on your list for consideration?

Thanks for the support Bawanna. Still kind of in a quandry between the CM/PM9s, but just lately started wondering about going on up to a 40. But after reading one of the Ballistic Charts it looks like that 40 would probably kick like my .357 mag so maybe will eliminate it from my wish list for a CCW to replace my heavier bulkier Beretta .380.
Really appreciate all the information I'm getting from this Forum, great bunch of guys.